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 Ducati Monster 696 as my first bike, Advise in needs :))

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lucifah
post Apr 20 2012, 09:48 AM

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no bike experience?

better learn the bike properly first

riding a big bike in traffic is very difficult, not to mention extremely dangerous - should you do a handle lock, and fall to the side, and a car / lorry from the back did not manage to stop in time - you know the drill

plus, falling off a bike due to handle lock is abit malu

i'd suggest you get a B-full license (no need B2, straight B-full)

and rent / borrow a small moped to try to familiarise yourslef for a few months

then you choose your bike

for street riding, try to find a "naked" bike as they are more maneuvrable in traffic, rather than a superbike, such as the R1 or 1199 Panigale brows.gif
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post Apr 20 2012, 05:33 PM

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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Apr 20 2012, 09:55 AM)
talking about the Panigale, I forget that I got invited to the launching yesterday sad.gif sad.gif

Realize that at 9pm, too lazy to get out of bed already..
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wah... u must have one or two ducatis in your garage to get a special invitation




QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 12:11 PM)
OMG..I didn't realise how difficult it was pushing a 200lbs bike let alone riding it.
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it's a 480 lbs. not 200 lbs.

480lbs = 220kg bike



QUOTE(robccs @ Apr 20 2012, 01:20 PM)
But still inner me, not to offense or disagree with all you guys opinion but i still think i can get a big bike and learn it for 2~3 months until i get steady with it then i started to ride it to work....hmm perhaps its really near impossible for a beginner like me to handle big bike, i can't tell because i never try it before (just yet)...


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if u are willing to damage your ducati, you may go down that path

when you stall on a bike, u fall. if u stall a car engine, it just stops.

when a bike fall, u'll 100% damage the fairing at least. then u'll damage the tank cover. or you may clip the handlebars, footpegs. worse? perhaps chassis?

if you can drive a manual car, the clutch / gear things should be natural to you

i've been riding a small scooter for the past 4 years and straight jump to a 650cc bike. yes, it's possible to ride a big bike immediately, but it's kind of stupid to do it in the traffic road - it's simply too dangerous if you fall of your bike

you only realize the bike weight when you are riding very slowly in the traffic. the whole 400+lbs of it.

if you still want to go ahead with your plan, my only advice is to be very alert with traffic on the road. be corteous when riding (give way to others all the time - you are always the one who'll suffer more damage if u want to compete with a stubborn car or lorry). respect traffic rule. no zig-zagging in traffic like mat rempit. and most importantly, ATGAT - all the gear, all the time

speaking of which, let me poison you with some riding gear:

1. full face arai / shoei (1,500+) or nolam / caberg / suomy (1.300+)
2. leather jacket with protective padding / reflector (1,000+?)
3. riding boots (500 - 1.000+)
4. rain gear (300+)
5. riding glove (200+)

This post has been edited by lucifah: Apr 20 2012, 05:37 PM
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post Apr 20 2012, 06:00 PM

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QUOTE(be7a @ Apr 20 2012, 10:18 AM)
how's the CBR250R as a learner's bike? for someone with no experience with bikes (bicycles maybe but bikes are a different story im sure)
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beginner bike if you wish to upgrade to a superbike. another good beginner bike is the ninja 250

but both bikes cost 20+k, and good 2nd hand ones are around 10+k... so abit expensive

QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Apr 20 2012, 11:33 AM)
what is a bike handle lock? i googled it and got adverts of handle bar lockers >.>
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handle lock is when you turn the handle wayyy too much and start to open the throttle

the bike will lurch to the side, rather than go front as you wanted, and you fall as you tip over. losing balance of a 200+kg bike is very easy.

worse case if you panic, and start to release the clutch while in gear and your hand revs on the throttle. the bike may do unpredictable thing, and in worst case scenario, drag you down with it. luckily, most modern bike has VDS - vehicle down sensor, which cuts off the engine once it's tilted to the side


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QUOTE(dvng @ Apr 20 2012, 05:54 PM)
My bad..it is actually 200kg, tq for pointing it out..you need to do a lot of sit ups to strengthened the legs and arms.
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from a mtb background, u shouldn't have problem with balancing

i am a weekend offroader, and my exp with a mtb (albeit very light 10kg xc bike) really helps with balancing a big bike


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QUOTE(robccs @ Apr 20 2012, 01:20 PM)

Hmm...But 795 n 696 ain't much difference aren't they but price such a big gap....Will see will see...Thanks though !
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the 795 is assembled in Thailand (AFTA rules here) and loses some expensive feature. for example the signature single swing arm

the 696 is CBU from italy, hence the price



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post Apr 20 2012, 09:23 PM

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QUOTE(razmycavalera @ Apr 20 2012, 07:31 PM)
Im using rxz as mat rempit for 3-4 years...and now stop using its after my job..afer gov declare to give 13% salary rise..im wantednto take er6n...is its er6n so hard to handle...looking for 2nd one.my dream of course ducati monster neo1000 ...but cannot afford la....anyone wanna sold thier er6n...below 30??.
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er6-n is a beginner bike


it's easy to learn and adapt and can be easy to maneuvre, and still has enough hp and torque to make your heart beats fast
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post Apr 21 2012, 01:18 PM

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QUOTE(robccs @ Apr 21 2012, 01:02 PM)
Sorry to not reply some of you guys valuable messages as im kindda busy with work smile.gif

Anyway thanks for all the nice tips and opinions !!

Oh ya just to let you guys know i already make my decision, in 4 months time i will get a ducati 696 or 796 not sure yet but definitely either one of this smile.gif

Yea, i know its painful if i drop the bike while learning it but i think its fine for me as i can bear the repair cost so to me its like a punishment if i make mistake so i will stand back up to train harder with that bike biggrin.gif

So i will get it in 4 months time then i wil take another 6 months+ or more to learn around my housing area/empty space with a sifu/friend until i get farmiliar enough then i will proceed my bike test.

And for some of you concern about me getting big bike and not able to handle it due to heaviness and so fourth, just to tell that ima also a body builder and if my muscle now not enough for me to handle the big bike and i will hit gym more regularly with tons of lifting so i will get evolve and more hardwork until me and the bike blended as one loll...

So yea, thats my plan and we will see how a beginner like me handle a ducati as first bike in the 10 months transformation (get it after 4 months time + 6 months of bike/body training)...accomplishment will be shared biggrin.gif

Again, appreciate all of you guys who dropped by and the willingness to help !!

Thanks and my last reply on this thread !!!
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snap pictures when u have got your ride and continue to get lessons from sifu in this thread:

https://forum.lowyat.net/topic/538531

lots of sifu there. i learn from them oso. and remember, always ride safely


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post Apr 21 2012, 05:31 PM

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QUOTE(Damien?(: @ Apr 21 2012, 05:04 PM)
Get sliders if you dont wanna hurt your pocket that much tongue.gif
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sliders give you a false sense of security

sliders can also cause more serious damage. i.e. a bent chassis / frame or worse a broken engine block, if wrongly mounted

 

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