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 Need recommendation/advice for CarAudio system V2, Please use this thread (omg v1 Aug 2005)

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krayden
post Sep 21 2012, 01:29 AM

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QUOTE(jasdeep007 @ Sep 20 2012, 02:33 PM)
But the JL audio subs are are running on the same Watts RMS as the Type X.
Thats like saying "but my civic is using the same Ron97 as your porshe"
(i initially used proton and civic, but figured some ppl might not like it lol)

Eh sorry bro, din realize you were into SPL. In that case yeah man, 600w@4ohm where got enough?

QUOTE(howiechoo @ Sep 21 2012, 01:05 AM)
sometimes, losing details are called "warm"..i learned this in forum smile.gif
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ouch.... but true lol.
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post Sep 21 2012, 01:35 AM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Sep 21 2012, 01:29 AM)
Thats like saying "but my civic is using the same Ron97 as your porshe"
(i initially used proton and civic, but figured some ppl might not like it lol)

Eh sorry bro, din realize you were into SPL. In that case yeah man, 600w@4ohm where got enough?
ouch....  but true lol.
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i use proton, but i dun use ron97.....
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post Sep 21 2012, 01:45 AM

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Sep 21 2012, 01:05 AM)
sometimes, losing details are called "warm"..i learned this in forum smile.gif
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Now I know what izso actually meant...........

QUOTE(howiechoo @ Sep 21 2012, 01:35 AM)
i use proton, but i dun use ron97.....
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aiyoh, if proton and civic then have to go with Ron95 la.
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post Sep 21 2012, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Sep 21 2012, 01:45 AM)
Now I know what izso actually meant...........
Eh nooooooooooooo... your car had plenty of details. The sound wasn't dynamic and lively to my liking. My kind of music wouldn't do well in your setup but vocals in your car would beat mine flat out. Howie lives in his own little world (or perhaps it's ME that lives in my own world) so don't take his words as mine whistling.gif

But gotta give the fella credit, he knows what I like and can give me what I want. I finally got my Dyns replaced by a unbranded tweeter that Howie swore that I'd like.. and he was right! Dang these tweeters are good!


Jasdeep : Depending on your requirements (SPL or SQ), we cannot decide which subs are good and which aren't. To me the JL W6 is plenty good and already outperforms most subs I've come across. But at the same time the Fi sub that I've come across does way better in blasting out the SPL bass lines and some say comparable to the JL W7's. The Type-X isn't a SPL sub and has extremely good response times and sounds great, but to me it's overpriced and for the same money I'd rather get another sub. If you're looking for SPL, the Soundstream 15" Tarantula sub that's in CV Audio Uptown Damansara will go way louder that the Type-X if powered properly.

As for class-AB vs class-D, the sound differences isn't heaven and earth. But it's obvious enough to convert a lot of believers. In the past when I still had my JL W3v2, I used an Alpine monoblock, the venerable MRD605 and the bigger brother MRD1005. Class-D bliss was what I had until I got my hands on an even older gem, the Orion HCCA 250 G4 and the monstrous bigger brother Orion HCCA 275 G4. Both these class AB amps were stable bridged at 0.5ohms and the 275 had over 1000w of RMS power when bridged at 1ohm. Both amps were severely underrated and were churning out waaaaaaaaaay more power than advertised.

The difference in sound? Bass was sharper, tighter and in some cases, faster. Trying playing the soundtrack for the Pirates of the Carribean 1 on your setup then compare it with a setup that uses a class AB. The difference will be like day and night for that heavy bass dependent song.

I'm not trying to tell you that your setup is rubbish - because it's not. It's damn good and your stuff is pretty high end. But don't be so smitten into believing yours is the best and nothing else is better. There's always room for improvement but like what Krayden said - it all boils down to whether you're happy or not with your setup. If you've reached the peak of its performance and want more - then open your ears to alternatives. If you're happy where you are - don't come out for TT to poison yourself.

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post Sep 21 2012, 09:30 AM

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Np izso, i was just messing with you.
Your last paragraph is very well put.
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post Sep 21 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Sep 21 2012, 01:05 AM)
sometimes, losing details are called "warm"..i learned this in forum smile.gif
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roflmao.
this one very subtle.
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 21 2012, 08:49 AM)
Eh nooooooooooooo... your car had plenty of details. The sound wasn't dynamic and lively to my liking. My kind of music wouldn't do well in your setup but vocals in your car would beat mine flat out. Howie lives in his own little world (or perhaps it's ME that lives in my own world) so don't take his words as mine  whistling.gif

But gotta give the fella credit, he knows what I like and can give me what I want. I finally got my Dyns replaced by a unbranded tweeter that Howie swore that I'd like.. and he was right! Dang these tweeters are good!
Jasdeep : Depending on your requirements (SPL or SQ), we cannot decide which subs are good and which aren't. To me the JL W6 is plenty good and already outperforms most subs I've come across. But at the same time the Fi sub that I've come across does way better in blasting out the SPL bass lines and some say comparable to the JL W7's. The Type-X isn't a SPL sub and has extremely good response times and sounds great, but to me it's overpriced and for the same money I'd rather get another sub. If you're looking for SPL, the Soundstream 15" Tarantula sub that's in CV Audio Uptown Damansara will go way louder that the Type-X if powered properly.

As for class-AB vs class-D, the sound differences isn't heaven and earth. But it's obvious enough to convert a lot of believers. In the past when I still had my JL W3v2, I used an Alpine monoblock, the venerable MRD605 and the bigger brother MRD1005. Class-D bliss was what I had until I got my hands on an even older gem, the Orion HCCA 250 G4 and the monstrous bigger brother Orion HCCA 275 G4. Both these class AB amps were stable bridged at 0.5ohms and the 275 had over 1000w of RMS power when bridged at 1ohm. Both amps were severely underrated and were churning out waaaaaaaaaay more power than advertised.

The difference in sound? Bass was sharper, tighter and in some cases, faster. Trying playing the soundtrack for the Pirates of the Carribean 1 on your setup then compare it with a setup that uses a class AB. The difference will be like day and night for that heavy bass dependent song.

I'm not trying to tell you that your setup is rubbish - because it's not. It's damn good and your stuff is pretty high end. But don't be so smitten into believing yours is the best and nothing else is better. There's always room for improvement but like what Krayden said - it all boils down to whether you're happy or not with your setup. If you've reached the peak of its performance and want more - then open your ears to alternatives. If you're happy where you are - don't come out for TT to poison yourself.
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haha, ok what u said made alot of sense. so there is a difference with the AB and D class Mono. Which digital Amp AB in the region of 2.5k and below would u recommend? i wouldnt mind changing mine.
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post Sep 26 2012, 08:43 AM

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2.5k? I'd say keep yours. It's hard to find a class AB mono these days. Unless you don't mind bridging a class AB, but most bridged amps don't have a lot of power unless it had big power to begin with.

A 2nd hand TRU Billet might fit that budget though.
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post Sep 26 2012, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 26 2012, 08:43 AM)
2.5k? I'd say keep yours. It's hard to find a class AB mono these days. Unless you don't mind bridging a class AB, but most bridged amps don't have a lot of power unless it had big power to begin with.

A 2nd hand TRU Billet might fit that budget though.
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hmm then ill stay with my mono Alpine. Bought it new.
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First batch MYVI :
- Prefer SQL but more to SQ
- Source: MP3/CD
- Genre of music : Top40/Jazz
- Setup type preferences: just bought DEH-1450UB later plan to build an active autdio system
- Other requirements : i think need to do sound proof, for MYVI open volume at 25 above will got the plastic shaking noise :S

Budget within 2k, any recommended ?
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post Sep 27 2012, 07:20 AM

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Can be done. But I recommend custom door panels first. Stock speakers are just not enough even after upgrade imho.
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post Sep 27 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(MonkeYsua @ Sep 27 2012, 02:28 AM)
First batch MYVI :
- Prefer SQL but more to SQ
- Source: MP3/CD
- Genre of music : Top40/Jazz
- Setup type preferences: just bought DEH-1450UB later plan to build an active autdio system
- Other requirements : i think need to do sound proof, for MYVI open volume at 25 above will got the plastic shaking noise :S

Budget within 2k, any recommended ?
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Alpine Type R will do and a good 2/4 channel amp. Try sound stream amp to fit the budget.
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post Sep 27 2012, 11:11 PM

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- My ride: VIOS J
- Prefers SQ/SPL/SQL: SQL
- File format/medium used for my source: FLAC(optional), mp3 320kbps
- Music genre: Trance, Vocal song
- Budget: RM 5000
- Setup type preferences: What is this??
- Other requirements (if any): Sked void warranty
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 27 2012, 11:11 PM)
- My ride: VIOS J
- Prefers SQ/SPL/SQL: SQL
- File format/medium used for my source: FLAC(optional), mp3 320kbps
- Music genre: Trance, Vocal song
- Budget:  RM 5000
- Setup type preferences: What is this??
- Other requirements (if any): Sked void warranty
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im thinking dominations should be suitable for you. and considering your requirements of voiding warranty, perhaps have a pm/chat with howiechoo from ea autoworks?
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post Sep 27 2012, 11:29 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 27 2012, 11:20 PM)
im thinking dominations should be suitable for you. and considering your requirements of voiding warranty, perhaps have a pm/chat with howiechoo from ea autoworks?
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Can break down the things i need for my ICE?

Headunit:
Speaker:
Amps

What else?

What influence the most on the sound quality? drivers?

My planning is

front 2 tweeter , 2 speaker
back 2 8" speaker/ sub
Amps
Driver isit gonna cost > 5000?

This post has been edited by munak991: Sep 27 2012, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 27 2012, 11:29 PM)
Can break down the things i need for my ICE?

Headunit: alpine/pioneer entry- mid range models
Speaker: dominations 2 way component set, with your budget i am almost confident you can get a mid range model
Amps: this one you will need to discuss with installer

What else?
subwoofer
monoblock if you prefer flexibility to expand for future upgrades, else 4 channel amp 2 channel driving component set and 2 channel bridged for subwoofer is also viable, and a very cost saving method.
Sound proofing on door panels for the 6.5" mid/mid bass


What influence the most on the sound quality? drivers?
HU/Component set speakers

My planning is

front 2 tweeter , 2 speaker
back 2 8" speaker/ sub <--- forget rear speakers, waste of money
Amps
Driver isit gonna cost > 5000? depends on what you want in your setup
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you can pay attention to TT/gatherings so you can audition other people's setup before committing, and can learn a lot from fellow ICErs on their experience/setup (why choose the setup etc)
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post Sep 28 2012, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(munak991 @ Sep 27 2012, 11:11 PM)
- My ride: VIOS J
- Prefers SQ/SPL/SQL: SQL
- File format/medium used for my source: FLAC(optional), mp3 320kbps
- Music genre: Trance, Vocal song
- Budget:  RM 5000
- Setup type preferences: What is this??
- Other requirements (if any): Sked void warranty
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The Vios J has pretty crappy sound proofing so I'd suggest to spend some of that budget on soundproofing the doors and perhaps even the floor.

Since you're looking at MP3s generally, then a simple Alpine 9853 or something similar will suffice. Big powerful amp with dynamic sound speakers like Dynoaudios would be great but outta your budget. Howie's got these un-named tweeters that have great dynamism. Will really suit your type of music which essentially is what I'm using. Hehe.. come come let me poison you with my car.
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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 28 2012, 09:00 AM)
The Vios J has pretty crappy sound proofing so I'd suggest to spend some of that budget on soundproofing the doors and perhaps even the floor.

Since you're looking at MP3s generally, then a simple Alpine 9853 or something similar will suffice. Big powerful amp with dynamic sound speakers like Dynoaudios would be great but outta your budget. Howie's got these un-named tweeters that have great dynamism. Will really suit your type of music which essentially is what I'm using. Hehe.. come come let me poison you with my car.
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bro just to enquire, how much would a pair of dynoaudio component speakers cost?
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QUOTE(jasdeep007 @ Sep 28 2012, 03:03 PM)
bro just to enquire, how much would a pair of dynoaudio component speakers cost?
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Brand new you're looking the region of 2.5k and above. That's the non-esotar/esotec range. The 3-way is in the 5k price range. The highest end Esotec/esotar sell their speakers separately and the tweeter alone is 3k.

You rarely see this brand for sale 2nd hand too so I can't tell you how much these are.
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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 28 2012, 03:25 PM)
Brand new you're looking the region of 2.5k and above. That's the non-esotar/esotec range. The 3-way is in the 5k price range. The highest end Esotec/esotar sell their speakers separately and the tweeter alone is 3k.

You rarely see this brand for sale 2nd hand too so I can't tell you how much these are.
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wow tweeter alone rm 3k
can buy my whole ICE system that price drool.gif drool.gif drool.gif cry.gif

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