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jasdeep007
post Sep 4 2012, 10:52 AM

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Im using a pair of Focal Utopia line. Its the best when it comes to SQ. Im using an Alpine PDX 4.1 to power it. you can never go wrong with the Utopia line. =)
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post Sep 14 2012, 10:21 AM

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Hey guys, i need some advise. Im planning to fix a Alpine PDX-M12 Monoblock and a Alpine type X sub. any one using this setup? need to know is it worth installing?

my setup currently is:
1) HU: Alpine 9855
2)Alpine PDX 4.1(4 channel)
3) Focal Utopia 2 way component speakers
4) full set of Monster wiring and RCA
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post Sep 14 2012, 02:38 PM

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Well heard its the best in its class. all everything else is Alpine besides my speakers. what do u recommend?
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post Sep 18 2012, 10:39 AM

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well, when it comes to speakers, for me Focal is the best. but only play with utopia line bcs the sq is worth the money. As for the rest, head unit, Alpine is good, not the best, amplifiers, PDX is the best for me as its digital and very intelligent, and last but not least is the Sub, in which TYPE X has been given very good ratings by many. thats why i mixed mine. But not to forget the Monster wiring and RCA, the best in its class.


Added on September 18, 2012, 10:49 amGuys just to add on, has any 1 heard or used simonte legato link before? just something i saw recently.

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post Sep 19 2012, 10:48 AM

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haha, thanks for the comments guys, well for now this is what i can afford. not cheap all this, as sound system is not where u want to spend all ur savings. Maybe next round will be something better. Im very happy with what i have. u guys should try this cables called simonte. check the website out: www.tehnichiaudio.com. I set in the demo car, mad SQ. pricy as 1 set of it is around RM2,150 but worth it. Thats my next plan.


Added on September 19, 2012, 10:53 am
QUOTE(izso @ Sep 19 2012, 07:39 AM)
There's two ways of looking at it.

1. They are happy cuz they haven't heard anything better.
2. They are just convincing themselves that nothing is better or is getting what they want from their gear.

Personally I don't like the Utopia range. Only the tweeter is nice, and when I say 'nice', I mean I like the Esotec Dynaudio range better since they are in the same 'range'.

PDX amps are great too but personally I prefer class AB sound. Class D just sounds so muted to me.
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Well depending on what you have fitted with the utopia, try putting it with a F4 PDX.. u will see the difference. I have Alpine Type X pro series aswel fitted as my back speakers. the utopia plays better. As for the Mono, Try out the Alpine PDX M-12 (1200Watts RMS) with the type X sub. u will know what im talking about.


Added on September 19, 2012, 10:56 am
QUOTE(jasdeep007 @ Sep 19 2012, 10:48 AM)
haha, thanks for the comments guys, well for now this is what i can afford. not cheap all this, as sound system is not where u want to spend all ur savings. Maybe next round will be something better. Im very happy with what i have. u guys should try this cables called simonte. check the website out: www.tehnichiaudio.com. I set in the demo car, mad SQ. pricy as 1 set of it is around RM2,150 but worth it. Thats my next plan.


Added on September 19, 2012, 10:53 am
Well depending on what you have fitted with the utopia, try putting it with a F4 PDX.. u will see the difference. I have Alpine Type X pro series aswel fitted as my back speakers. the utopia plays better. As for the Mono, Try out the Alpine PDX M-12 (1200Watts RMS) with the type X sub. u will know what im talking about.
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Just an add on, if u have something better then the Utopia range, pls do tell me. Lets see which is better. 4.5K speakers are not priced that way if they were not good =)

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post Sep 19 2012, 11:03 AM

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QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Sep 19 2012, 10:57 AM)
Please get the bait ler...

I'll add in 1 new CD. Later I go Rock Music and look for 1 nice Malay unplugged album...

I dashed most of the people expectation, but hopefully not this round.

You should go India and fetch me mar, let me sit in business class.  laugh.gif

OOT,
jasdeep007, come for TT?
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Sure bro, ones im back in towm. Currently out station. will be back in a month or so.
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post Sep 19 2012, 12:33 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 19 2012, 12:24 PM)
will be missing this weekend's TT then, and MWC flying off this month end or something i believe.
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No worries, theres always a next time.
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post Sep 20 2012, 12:20 PM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Sep 19 2012, 07:22 PM)
I always advocate that if you are happy with what you have, you should retire. The end of the audio nirvana road is happiness, NOT the best in the world.

With that said, I reckon you should come yamcha with sifu mwc B4 you order the simonte. should show you what you can do with rm2150 b4 reaching out to expensive cables.

the list of speakers better than utopia is long. i type too slow to list them out. "lets see which is better", if you can still smile after a small group lyn ice tt, I would like very much to make your acquaintance.
master anakonda..............
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hmm i agree with u on the first statement. if ur happy better to retire. Have u heard of it this simonte cables? its quite good tho. yess we shall have a TT soon. for now this is what i have. Not sure ill upgrade anymore, time to buy a house now =)


Added on September 20, 2012, 12:25 pm
QUOTE(izso @ Sep 20 2012, 07:37 AM)
You're already in love with Utopia so no matter what I say will not change your mind. For 4.5K there are lots of other brands out there that are so much better than Utopia la.

Focal and Alpine (PDX) has been the norm in terms of setup so yes I've heard the combination. It's great for sure, but I've heard better for the same money. Again, what's good is completely subjective. You like Utopia, I like Dynaudio, someone else probably Scanspeak. Have a listen to the Dynaudio Esotec or Esotar range of car audio powered with something considerably powerful like a TRU Billet or Brax. It's a different kind of sound. Drop by Audiocreations and have a listen to their Revatio / Scanspeak setup too.

The type-X sub is quite the performer too. But for the price the JL's are more value for money and not to mention the type-X uses quite a lot of power to really perform. So the amp you use for it will most likely be expensive. You should try a class-AB amp to power the sub and you'll hear the difference in sound. TRU Hammer would be the epitome of crazy-ass class-AB monoblocks. But lots of other 2-channels can be bridged to work subs.

Ultimately you can have all the best equipment, but if your installer is a crack, it'll sound like crap.
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hahaha, yes im in love with the utopia line. hmm maybe il try listening to the brands above, no harm there. Which JL would be the best in par with the Type X? Yes the PDX M-12 is pricy, but sounds good. Ok what is the difference between a class Ab Mono and Class D? when u say difference in sound means? bcs i love intellegent amps, they follow the music, when bass is required, the bang, if not non. thats why i choose the Type X with the PDX, regardless of the cost. Yes if the installer is no good, no point fixing the best.


Added on September 20, 2012, 12:28 pm
QUOTE(carcrazy @ Sep 20 2012, 10:43 AM)
utopia be 3way is nice. not too mention the beautiful craft on their passive network which worth rm4k+ (optional)
its refined sounding with all the good merits. playing vocal cd is excellent.
to me the only thing was it sounded a bit thin and cant play well on hip hop or other music genre

alpine pdx amp are based on class D topology. for decades class D is known to have high efficiency 90%. they look good on data specs but listening test is another issue.
but lately home hifi biggest manufacturer like audio research is said to have a new lineup based on class D which can sound as good as their class AB with added bonus of higher power rating due to class D topology.
for car audio, yet to have any manufacturer dare to claim their class D amp is as good as classAB.

overall class D amp will alwiz give u high power rating without costing due to its nature
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So the class AB is better then the class D? Then why is the PDX series so pricy?

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post Sep 20 2012, 12:41 PM

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QUOTE(howiechoo @ Sep 20 2012, 12:29 PM)
basically you already have all the best product in your mind..so is the sound is best?
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Not really, it need tuning.. for now its average. will see my installer ones im back.
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post Sep 20 2012, 02:33 PM

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QUOTE(krayden @ Sep 20 2012, 01:27 PM)
actually no, i've never heard of simonte, could well be the best cables in the world. But what i'm sayin is other areas of the system may require attn b4 the need to spend that amount on cables. Maybe later, but not yet i think.
Mid to upper range JL will seloter TypeX.
Good high powered AB monos are more expensive than PDX. How much is the M-12 anyway?
Go google TRU Hammer.
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When it comes to JL, i like the W7 sub.but dont know the price. The PDX M-12 is going for RM2600.


Added on September 20, 2012, 2:40 pm
QUOTE(jasdeep007 @ Sep 20 2012, 02:33 PM)
When it comes to JL, i like the W7 sub.but dont know the price. The PDX M-12 is going for RM2600.
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But the JL audio subs are are running on the same Watts RMS as the Type X.


Added on September 20, 2012, 2:43 pm
QUOTE(MyWifeCar @ Sep 20 2012, 01:51 PM)
May I know what HU are you using? And your current ride is?

On the ride, I just want to know not to say I want to hijack your car lar....  smile.gif
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Im using Alpine 9855 HU, i drive a noisy car, Satria Neo R3.


Added on September 20, 2012, 2:49 pm
QUOTE(krayden @ Sep 20 2012, 01:27 PM)
actually no, i've never heard of simonte, could well be the best cables in the world. But what i'm sayin is other areas of the system may require attn b4 the need to spend that amount on cables. Maybe later, but not yet i think.
Mid to upper range JL will seloter TypeX.
Good high powered AB monos are more expensive than PDX. How much is the M-12 anyway?
Go google TRU Hammer.
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Hmm i went throw the TRU Hammer, The RMS power is very low for a 4ohm Sub.

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post Sep 20 2012, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 20 2012, 03:07 PM)
but music isn't measured by watts/RMS
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SQ right?


Added on September 20, 2012, 3:29 pm
QUOTE(krayden @ Sep 20 2012, 01:27 PM)
actually no, i've never heard of simonte, could well be the best cables in the world. But what i'm sayin is other areas of the system may require attn b4 the need to spend that amount on cables. Maybe later, but not yet i think.
Mid to upper range JL will seloter TypeX.
Good high powered AB monos are more expensive than PDX. How much is the M-12 anyway?
Go google TRU Hammer.
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Hmm Which AB mono will be on par or better then the PDX? price range below 3K

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post Sep 20 2012, 04:34 PM

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QUOTE(Quazacolt @ Sep 20 2012, 04:00 PM)
doesnt matter on SQ/SPL/SQL la lolz
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Alright then how is it measured?
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post Sep 25 2012, 02:16 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 21 2012, 08:49 AM)
Eh nooooooooooooo... your car had plenty of details. The sound wasn't dynamic and lively to my liking. My kind of music wouldn't do well in your setup but vocals in your car would beat mine flat out. Howie lives in his own little world (or perhaps it's ME that lives in my own world) so don't take his words as mine  whistling.gif

But gotta give the fella credit, he knows what I like and can give me what I want. I finally got my Dyns replaced by a unbranded tweeter that Howie swore that I'd like.. and he was right! Dang these tweeters are good!
Jasdeep : Depending on your requirements (SPL or SQ), we cannot decide which subs are good and which aren't. To me the JL W6 is plenty good and already outperforms most subs I've come across. But at the same time the Fi sub that I've come across does way better in blasting out the SPL bass lines and some say comparable to the JL W7's. The Type-X isn't a SPL sub and has extremely good response times and sounds great, but to me it's overpriced and for the same money I'd rather get another sub. If you're looking for SPL, the Soundstream 15" Tarantula sub that's in CV Audio Uptown Damansara will go way louder that the Type-X if powered properly.

As for class-AB vs class-D, the sound differences isn't heaven and earth. But it's obvious enough to convert a lot of believers. In the past when I still had my JL W3v2, I used an Alpine monoblock, the venerable MRD605 and the bigger brother MRD1005. Class-D bliss was what I had until I got my hands on an even older gem, the Orion HCCA 250 G4 and the monstrous bigger brother Orion HCCA 275 G4. Both these class AB amps were stable bridged at 0.5ohms and the 275 had over 1000w of RMS power when bridged at 1ohm. Both amps were severely underrated and were churning out waaaaaaaaaay more power than advertised.

The difference in sound? Bass was sharper, tighter and in some cases, faster. Trying playing the soundtrack for the Pirates of the Carribean 1 on your setup then compare it with a setup that uses a class AB. The difference will be like day and night for that heavy bass dependent song.

I'm not trying to tell you that your setup is rubbish - because it's not. It's damn good and your stuff is pretty high end. But don't be so smitten into believing yours is the best and nothing else is better. There's always room for improvement but like what Krayden said - it all boils down to whether you're happy or not with your setup. If you've reached the peak of its performance and want more - then open your ears to alternatives. If you're happy where you are - don't come out for TT to poison yourself.
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haha, ok what u said made alot of sense. so there is a difference with the AB and D class Mono. Which digital Amp AB in the region of 2.5k and below would u recommend? i wouldnt mind changing mine.
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post Sep 26 2012, 10:24 AM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 26 2012, 08:43 AM)
2.5k? I'd say keep yours. It's hard to find a class AB mono these days. Unless you don't mind bridging a class AB, but most bridged amps don't have a lot of power unless it had big power to begin with.

A 2nd hand TRU Billet might fit that budget though.
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hmm then ill stay with my mono Alpine. Bought it new.
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post Sep 27 2012, 03:34 PM

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QUOTE(MonkeYsua @ Sep 27 2012, 02:28 AM)
First batch MYVI :
- Prefer SQL but more to SQ
- Source: MP3/CD
- Genre of music : Top40/Jazz
- Setup type preferences: just bought DEH-1450UB later plan to build an active autdio system
- Other requirements : i think need to do sound proof, for MYVI open volume at 25 above will got the plastic shaking noise :S

Budget within 2k, any recommended ?
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Alpine Type R will do and a good 2/4 channel amp. Try sound stream amp to fit the budget.
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post Sep 28 2012, 03:03 PM

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QUOTE(izso @ Sep 28 2012, 09:00 AM)
The Vios J has pretty crappy sound proofing so I'd suggest to spend some of that budget on soundproofing the doors and perhaps even the floor.

Since you're looking at MP3s generally, then a simple Alpine 9853 or something similar will suffice. Big powerful amp with dynamic sound speakers like Dynoaudios would be great but outta your budget. Howie's got these un-named tweeters that have great dynamism. Will really suit your type of music which essentially is what I'm using. Hehe.. come come let me poison you with my car.
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bro just to enquire, how much would a pair of dynoaudio component speakers cost?
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post Jan 22 2013, 03:26 PM

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guys i need some help. I have an option to fix a Alpine 117E or a ixa-W404e. which one would be a better choice? is any 1 using any of this?


 

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