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post Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 12:34 PM)
B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber electrostatically charges its exhaust stream and the leading edges of its winglike body. Although these disclosures were framed in the context of enhancing the B-2’s radar invisibility, in fact they are part of an electrogravitic drive capability. West Coast scientists and engineers who were formerly associated with black research projects, which are defense research projects that are so secret even their very existence is classified. Northrop, the prime contractor for the B-2, had been experimenting with applying high-voltage charge to aircraft hulls since at least 1968, when at an aerospace sciences meeting held in New York in January 1968 scientists from Northrop’s Norair Division reported that they were beginning wind tunnel studies on aerodynamic effects of applying high-voltage charges to the leading edges of high-speed aircraft bodies. Similar research was carried out in 1965 by the Grumman and Avco corporations. Interestingly, in 1994, Northrop bought out and merged with Grumman.
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Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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post Apr 3 2012, 12:53 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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Because it ignored by mainstream academics that the phenomenon isn’t anticipated by either classical electrostatics or general relativity.

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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check out this http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Antigravity-...y/dp/159143078X if irrelevant. The post is about what contains in the book and not the mainstream one.

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post Apr 3 2012, 12:59 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 12:53 PM)
Because it ignored by mainstream academics that the phenomenon isn’t anticipated by either classical electrostatics or general relativity.
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More like you didn't bother to understand the text that you've copied as proof. Nowhere does it mention anything about gravity. It only mentions aerodynamics.
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post Apr 3 2012, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:59 PM)
More like you didn't bother to understand the text that you've copied as proof. Nowhere does it mention anything about gravity. It only mentions aerodynamics.
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Electrogavitic or any stuff out of box doesn't bother you.


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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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Because NorthropCorp didn't mentioned about the gravitational field when it maneuver in stratosphere. This their secret. Normal thruster during take off and there are something weird in stratosphere level.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 01:06 PM)
Electrogavitic or any stuff out of box doesn't bother you.
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It bothers me quite a bit because you are passing it off as science.

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Because NorthropCorp didn't mentioned about the gravitational field when it maneuver in stratosphere. This their secret. Normal thruster during take off and there are something weird in stratosphere level.
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Maybe it is because there actually nothing weird to begin with. What is so special about the stratosphere?

The Lockheed U-2 is capable of flying up to 21km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U2_spy_plane

Based on the page below, the stratosphere starts at 10km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere

Your B2 is only capable of reaching 15.2km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit

That plane is capable of flying well within the stratosphere and it is well over 50 years old. Another example of your so called electrogravitic technology or good old basic engineering?

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 01:42 PM)
It bothers me quite a bit because you are passing it off as science.
Maybe it is because there actually nothing weird to begin with. What is so special about the stratosphere?

The Lockheed U-2 is capable of flying up to 21km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U2_spy_plane

Based on the page below, the stratosphere starts at 10km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere

Your B2 is only capable of reaching 15.2km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit

That plane is capable of flying well within the stratosphere and it is well over 50 years old. Another example of your so called electrogravitic technology or good old basic engineering?
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none of above due to cover-up.
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none of above due to cover-up.
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Anything that does not agree with your view is a coverup, how convenient.

You don't know the meaning of the phrase "cover up".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_up
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post Apr 3 2012, 03:16 PM

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Anything that does not agree with your view is a coverup, how convenient.

You don't know the meaning of the phrase "cover up".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_up
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Folk, what is your further clarification of Cover-Up?
There were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that. They also control the minds of hundreds of thousands of people include YOU. All sorts of evil flourishes when secrets abound and doors are closed and nobody knows. The only new thing are those which have been forgotten.

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post Apr 3 2012, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 03:16 PM)
Folk, what is your further  clarification of Cover-Up?
There were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that. They also control the minds of hundreds of thousands of people include YOU. All sorts of evil flourishes when secrets abound and doors are closed and nobody knows. The only new thing are those which have been forgotten.

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What is the point of covering up a technology that is useless to everyone except aircraft and spacecraft manufacturers? Most of the items needed to make it like superconductors and liquid air is not available to most people. How many persons do you know that can build their own supersonic aircraft? Are they worried that people would start fleeing the planet if this gets out? The idea that someone would want to cover this up is ridiculous.
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What is the point of covering up a technology that is useless to everyone except aircraft and spacecraft manufacturers? Most of the items needed to make it like superconductors and liquid air is not available to most people. How many persons do you know that can build their own supersonic aircraft? Are they worried that people would start fleeing the planet if this gets out? The idea that someone would want to cover this up is ridiculous.
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F-117, B-2, SR-71, reconaissance satellites are proof to media but still something behind it.

Example of US is feeding public false infomation, Russia is wraped in mystery,Chinese just test them they dont care for public, Europe dosent have much of these and one more US was in possession of vast futuristic weapon inventory . Which is slowly leaking to public, some of people wont even speak of them because of importance..but i know you think this is noone will use it, probably noone can replicate it.

A combination of basic research and new technology that will usually take years of engineering to make into a useful weapon system. It is definitely highly sensitive and not the kind of things you want the media or enemies to know you are working on until they are ready for production--and even then most of the details should remain classified.

So they have trust agencies working with black projects to have appropriate oversight from military branches, select committees of congress etc.

World/humanity will get it sooner or later....

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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 04:59 PM)
F-117, B-2, SR-71, reconaissance satellites are proof to media but still something behind it.

Example of US is feeding public false infomation, Russia is wraped in mystery,Chinese just test them they dont care for public, Europe dosent have much of these and one more US was in possession of vast futuristic weapon inventory . Which is slowly leaking to public, some of people wont even speak of them because of importance..but i know you think this is noone will use it, probably noone can replicate it. 

A combination of basic research and new technology that will usually take years of engineering to make into a useful weapon system. It is definitely highly sensitive and not the kind of things you want the media or enemies to know you are working on until they are ready for production--and even then most of the details should remain classified.

So they have trust agencies working with black projects to have appropriate oversight from military branches, select committees of congress etc.

World/humanity will get it sooner or later....

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You keep saying there's something behind it but you can't say what it is. I think you've been hanging out on the internet for too long. You are starting to show signs of paranoia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia
Either that or you need to work on your language skills, it pretty hard to understand what you're trying to say.

It does not really have any importance to the general public. In term of usefulness, the amount of weight reduction shown in the so called first successful experiment is pretty underwhelming.


Added on April 3, 2012, 7:12 pmWhat exactly is the purpose of this thread? So far it has been nothing but a story telling thread.

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post Apr 3 2012, 10:54 PM

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With regards to this topic: "Secrets of Anti-Gravity Propulsion, Telsa, Ufos & Classified Aerospace Technology" by Dr. Paul Laviolette.

Basically they ran an electric coil through the leading edge of the wings to create a positive charge -- thus electrifying the skin of the aircraft. Then, they created a negative charge back by the exhaust somewhere and the two charges together create an anti-grav field.

And also there is some form of ionizing device fitted into the leading edges so that resistance/friction is also reduced.

It's an amazing piece of machinery.

Apparently this is also one of the reasons that ground crews are not allowed near the plane once it lands for a considerable period of time, due to the skin of the plane still holding an immense charge.

The book, it's extremely interesting.

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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 10:54 PM)
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With regards to this topic: "Secrets of Anti-Gravity Propulsion, Telsa, Ufos & Classified Aerospace Technology" by Dr. Paul Laviolette. 

Basically they ran an electric coil through the leading edge of the wings to create a positive charge -- thus electrifying the skin of the aircraft. Then, they created a negative charge back by the exhaust somewhere and the two charges together create an anti-grav field.

And also  there is some form of ionizing device fitted into the leading edges so that resistance/friction is also reduced.

It's an amazing piece of machinery.

Apparently this is also one of the reasons that ground crews are not allowed near the plane once it lands for a considerable period of time, due to the skin of the plane still holding an immense charge.

The book, it's extremely interesting.
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This picture is a photo retouching, ever since digital software can to wonders, many artist and photographers alike created a lot of publicity for themselves like capturing ghost / god, UFO or what ever... It is easy to become paranoid if you yearn for mysteries and everything will become a conspiracy.
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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 3 2012, 10:54 PM)
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 4 2012, 01:30 AM)
This picture is a photo retouching, ever since digital software can to wonders, many artist and photographers alike created a lot of publicity for themselves like capturing ghost / god, UFO or what ever... It is easy to become paranoid if you yearn for mysteries and everything will become a conspiracy.
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Actually the photo actually looks authentic if it was a infrared night vision image. The bright area would be hottest part of the plane since that is where the engines are located.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision

Best way to sell a story is to mix in the truth with the made up bits. That way it won't look too unbelievable. Better yet throw in a few scientific phrases that is authentic and hard to understand just to spice it up.
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Actually the photo actually looks authentic if it was a infrared night vision image. The bright area would be hottest part of the plane since that is where the engines are located.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision

Best way to sell a story is to mix in the truth with the made up bits. That way it won't look too unbelievable. Better yet throw in a few scientific phrases that is authentic and hard to understand just to spice it up.
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I know it could be real but also fake night vision effect too, my suspicious is the glare, the characteristic of infrared interpreted image does not glare it only glows and the picture shown is light and shadow of the sun, clouds don't appear in night vision like that.
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QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 4 2012, 10:55 AM)
I know it could be real but also fake night vision effect too, my suspicious is the glare, the characteristic of infrared interpreted image does not glare it only glows and the picture shown is light and shadow of the sun, clouds don't appear in night vision like that.
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Could it be an active infrared night vision photo? The example from the link below show the difference between regular and active infrared technology. The one with the active infrared looks like a well lit room compared to the regular one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision#Active_infrared
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Could it be an active infrared night vision photo? The example from the link below show the difference between regular and active infrared technology. The one with the active infrared looks like a well lit room compared to the regular one.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Night_vision#Active_infrared
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The B2 picture seems like low light night vision combined with thermal imaging which I think not possible, Thermal imaging is like silhouette effect at high contrast between warm and cool that does not carry much details while infrared spectrum camera captures low light range of details, if object does not move at a distance, it is not possible to tell what is there.

The B2 picture does exhibit sun light or moon light appearance which will overwhelm the infrared sensor that capture details and will only show gradient of heat shape / pattern that resemble the object where clouds is black.
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It kinda sad that norther didn't bother to do any actual research into Thomas Townsend Brown. His patented device actually works. Do a search for antigravity lifter on youtube, you'll find quite a few videos on the device being built and flown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect
Unfortunately so did the mythbusters. It flies but it is not due to antigravity. It works by ionizing air and accelerating the ions in a downward motion in order to produce thrust which lifts the device. No air means no lift. The mythbusters repeated the experiment in a vacuum chamber and the lifter failed to lift off.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 4 2012, 03:48 PM)
It kinda sad that norther didn't bother to do any actual research into Thomas Townsend Brown. His patented device actually works. Do a search for antigravity lifter on youtube, you'll find quite a few videos on the device being built and flown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biefeld%E2%80%93Brown_effect
Unfortunately so did the mythbusters. It flies but it is not due to antigravity. It works by ionizing air and accelerating the ions in a downward motion in order to produce thrust which lifts the device. No air means no lift. The mythbusters repeated the experiment in a vacuum chamber and the lifter failed to lift off.
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The effect was a result of ion propulsion, or electric wind, and therefore could not be used in a vacuum such as outer space. The earth's atmosphere can be rich in ions (electrically-charged particles), but a vacuum is not.

What we see today on B-2A is dielectric flying wing, a charged leading-edge, ions dumped into the exhaust stream and other clues.

The B-2A seems to be a culmination of many of Brown's observations made more than forty years ago.



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QUOTE(norther @ Apr 4 2012, 10:17 PM)

The effect was a result of ion propulsion, or electric wind, and therefore could not be used in a vacuum such as outer space. The earth's atmosphere can be rich in ions (electrically-charged particles), but a vacuum is not.

What we see today on B-2A is dielectric flying wing, a charged leading-edge, ions dumped into the exhaust stream and other clues.

The B-2A seems to be a culmination of many of Brown's observations made more than forty years ago.

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You missed the entire point of my post. Brown's work has nothing to do with anti-gravity. If you are basing everything on Brown's work, your whole argument is based on wrong information since it has nothing to do with anti-gravity to begin with.

You didn't even get the reason why ion propulsion does not work in vacuum right. It needs gasses to ionize in order to produce ions. The atmosphere is not rich in ions. Ions don't last long in the atmosphere because it is unstable.

There's no proof that B-2s uses ions to improve its propulsion. The B-2 has nothing to do with Brown's work at all.

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