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TSnorther
post Mar 30 2012, 09:55 PM, updated 14y ago

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I’m currently reading “Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion: Tesla, UFOs, and Classified Aerospace Technology”. This book I find fascinating because of its implications, anti-gravity travel and nearly free energy.

From the cover: "In Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, physicist Paul LaViolette reveals the secret history of antigravity experimentation - from Nikola Tesla and T. Townsend Brown to the B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber. He discloses the existence of advanced gravity-control technologies, under secret military development for decades, that could revolutionize air travel using renewable energy. Included among the secret projects he reveals is the research of Project Skyvault to develop an aerospace propulsion system using intense beams of microwave energy similar to that used by the strange crafts seen flying over Area 51.

Using subquantum kinetics, the science behind antigravity technology, LaViolette reveals numerous field-propulsion devices and technologies that have thrust-to-power ratios thousands of times greater than that of a jet engine and whose effects are not explained by conventional physics and relativity theory. He then presents controversial evidence about the NASA cover-up in adopting these advanced technologies. He also details ongoing Russian research to duplicate John Searl’s self-propelled levitating disc and shows how the results of the Podkletnov gravity beam experiment could be harnessed to produce an interstellar spacecraft.”

The book is based mainly on the research and patents of Thomas Townsend Brown, an American physicist and inventor, but also on Tesla’s work because of his research into high-voltage shock discharges. Brown’s first inventions are listed as British patent 300,311 in 1928 and US patent 1,974,483 in 1934, both for gravitators. Initially, Brown’s work was dismissed by many of his colleagues (translated; not accepted in trade journals) because his research violated or challenged many of the main-stream accepted theories and laws of physics, particularly Newton’s third law of motion, Einstein’s laws of gravitation and relativity, and the first law of thermodynamics.

Before any of you dismiss this book as total nonsense, perhaps a bit of Brown’s career highlights may give you pause for reconsideration. In 1930, Brown was referred to Colonel Edward Deeds. Brown left his position at Swazey Observatory for a job at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. He was assigned to the Navy-Princeton International Gravity Expedition to the West Indies on the US submarine S-48. Admiral Hyman Rickover, then a lieutenant, was the executive officer. Brown’s findings were summarized in a study titled “Anomalous Behavior of Massive High-K Dielectrics”. That study is still classified.

In 1933, Brown was given temporary leave to serve on the Johnson-Smithsonian Expedition on Eldridge Johnson’s yacht, the Caroline. While on the expedition, Brown had the opportunity to meet Johnson, Leon Douglass (McDonnell Douglass), and British master spy William S. Stephenson, who may have recruited Brown into his intel operations. In 1938, Brown was assigned to the maiden voyage of the USS Nashville as an assistant engineering officer, which carried $50 million in gold bullion from the Bank of England to Chase Manhattan Bank in New York. During that voyage, an electrogravitic research laboratory was established for him at the University of Pennsylvania, funded in part from the money on the USS Nashville. In 1939, Brown left the UofP to work as a material and process engineer at Glenn Martin Company (Lockheed Martin).

In 1940, the Navy called him back to head up a “mine sweeping research and development project” under the Bureau of Ships in Washington, DC, where he directed a staff of fifteen PhDs and had a budget of (coincidentally) nearly $50 million. Following the attack on Pearl Harbor, Brown was assigned to the Naval Operating Base in Norfolk, VA, as officer in charge of the Atlantic Fleet Radar Material School and Gyro-Compass School. In 1942, he was assigned to disassemble his equipment at the UofP and transfer it to Norfolk.

However, before his assignment to the Atlantic Fleet Radar School, Brown was assigned to the Philadelphia Navy Yard as an assistant machinery superintendent for “outfitting new ships”. This would have placed him in Philadelphia during the time when the USS Eldridge DE 173 was being outfitted for the infamous Philadelphia Experiment. When asked about his involvement in the experiment later in life, Brown said he “was not permitted to talk about that part of his work” and “much of what has been written about the project is grossly exaggerated”. Brown “retired” from the Navy in late 1943 due to a “nervous collapse”. One has to wonder if the collapse was due to the reportedly tragic events of the Philadelphia Experiment.

In 1944, Brown went to work for Lockheed Vega Aircraft in the Advanced Projects Unit (Skunk Works). In his spare time, he continued to conduct research with funding from his Townsend Brown Foundation. In 1952, he wrote a proposal urging the Navy to fund a highly secret project to develop a manned flying saucer as the basis of an interceptor aircraft with Mach 3 capability, Project Winterhaven. That proposal was never funded, probably due to highly classified work on electrogravitics already in progress.

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post Mar 31 2012, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(dkk @ Mar 31 2012, 08:04 AM)
"Patented" does not mean working. The patent office does not examine applications to make sure they are functional. Just that they are patentable. The US Patent Office used to require that working models are submitted with the applications, but that requirement was stopped long ago.

If the patent dates from 1930, the it should be in the public domain by now. You are free to go and commercialize it.

If the guy is connected to the American spook agencies, that does not validate his research. It may mean that he is no kook. But it may also mean that the whole thing is just a cover for whatever real research they are doing. Or perhaps it's just a way to get funds for "black ops" that have nothing to do with scientific research at all.
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The (unreplicated) results (by Eugene Podkletnov, Ning Li, Martin Tajmar) might indicate that GR is broken (entirely possible, and replacements have been proposed), but not necessarily that useful applications can be devised.
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post Mar 31 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 10:04 AM)
How are scientists going to take you seriously if you cannot replicate the experiment that supports your theory? If it cannot be replicated, it cannot be independently verified by others making it nothing more than a fairy tale. Just like cold fusion, no one can replicate the results.
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How it supposed to disprove antigravity theory, any of them?

For the past several decades, highly classified aerospace programs in the United States and in several other countries have been developing aircraft capable of defying gravity. One form of this technology can loft a craft on matter-repelling energy beams. This exotic technology falls under the relatively obscure field of research known as electrogravitics."


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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 10:04 AM)
How are scientists going to take you seriously if you cannot replicate the experiment that supports your theory? If it cannot be replicated, it cannot be independently verified by others making it nothing more than a fairy tale. Just like cold fusion, no one can replicate the results.
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and for cold fusion we'd have to make them, investing energy.



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post Mar 31 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
Defying gravity and antigravity does not mean the same thing. Magnetic repulsion and electric repulsion is not antigravity.
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No. The simple Magnetic & Electric Repulsion can create an antigravity and electro Magnetic flight. For exmple "hot air balloon" (an early form of anti-gravity) can rise up through the Earth's atmosphere... Using "Electricity "for fuel, which requires "super-conductivity" for efficiency, and "batteries" as "fuel tanks" to hold the electricity necessary to start it's "solid state electronic motors"

QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
Antigravity is supposed to work by affecting gravity directly by either reducing the effect of gravity or repulsion of mass bodies.
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It Would be possible to construct a craft with small enough propulsion power requirements that interstellar travel could be achieved.
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post Mar 31 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 03:11 PM)
Anti-gravity has a specific meaning. If it does not directly affect the force of gravity, it is not anti-gravity. Stop making up your own definition.
Given that no such devices has been created, these kind of claims cannot be proven therefore making it meaningless.
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Here simple explanation A crsft that when in flight, can generate all the electricity it needs and recharge its batteries, just from its motion... A craft that once outside the Earth's atmosphere, flies at electromagnetic speeds.
If you believe or some other abstract theory, you will never understand antigravity or electro-magnetic craft... It is necessary to understand gravity as a simple electro-magnetic force, to understand the principles of antigravity and electro-magnetic craft.
It all by manipulating!


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QUOTE(3dassets @ Mar 31 2012, 04:09 PM)
Hot air balloon is not anti gravity, the same gravitation still pull the balloon except the hot air is stronger.

Interstellar travel don't need own energy source like petrol in engine, it should be abundance in the stellar to be viable such as the sun.
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And being generated by the mass of the sun. But I never mentioned on petrol engine. Just an example on hot air balloon.


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post Mar 31 2012, 08:25 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM)
You can't have the same energy to move an object and store it at the same time. It can only be used for one purpose at any one time in a system. This is basic science-Law of conservation of energy. What you are describing is more like a perpetual motion machine which cannot exist.
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They are byproduct.
This which requires super-conductivity for efficiency
hold the electricity necessary to start it's solid state electronic motors.


QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM)
What is electromagnetic speed? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
The only manipulation I see here the manipulations of facts. Gravity is not an electro-magnetic force. It may behave in similarly in certain manners, it is not the same thing.
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you are right because physical theories, gravity is totally different from electromagnetism.
There are plenty of people that argue this idea however i believe that the Gravity and the Electromagnetic Force are identical... and we can graphically see that the Gravity Force is a simple electromagnetic attraction...and this is can described in geometry direction.... gravity is a byprodcuct of electromagnetic.


QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM)
People who misunderstand Gravitomagnetism believe that anti-gravity is possible.
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Translate this into Hyperspace. And we need to measure the gravitational equivalent of a magnetic field. Superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. This apparently has profound consequences for interstellar travel, as the gravitomagnetic field used for propulsion will set up an alternate space-time field, akin to the warped space-time in a black hole, and time dilation occurs. 10-light year trip would only take 80 days.
Gravitomagnetism can create a lot of antigravity



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QUOTE(3dassets @ Mar 31 2012, 05:41 PM)
Maybe it is not defy gravity but focused channel of energy source that pull object around if you want to guess, and the reason why it can be seen but not detected by radar according to stories but a spaceship don't need to emit lights, you said that it is plasma thing that cause it to glow but the small parts of lights does look like light rather than propulsion, which look low tech, why smaller plasma propulsion needed all over the craft? Not efficient ET.

The b2 bomber does look kind of odd but its based on a kite, so, simplicity is the key.
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I’m still confused with your question regarding Light. Light from which side? Side of craft windows? strange light? Multipy light or famous one beam light? But i guess you are asking about the light emitting from the ETs machine that accelerate the craft.

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post Mar 31 2012, 10:22 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 10:09 PM)
There are no known devices that can convert electrical force into gravitational force. All you have is a bunch of unprovable fairy tales.
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same as x-ray were a hoax 150 years ago hmm.gif

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post Apr 1 2012, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 12:51 AM)
There's a big difference here. The effects of x-rays are measurable and replicable. Meaning that anyone that had the right equipment could recreate the devices and verify the findings.

All you have are designs and theories that doesn't work.
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-Radio has no future. Heavier-than-air flying machines are impossible. X-rays will prove to be a hoax.
—William Thomson Kelvin (1824–1907), a mathematical physicist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Kelvin

-Robert Goddard 1920s and 1930s, professor, physicist and inventor, was scoffed at because it was believed that rockets would never be able to go into space.

You are totally right in the perpetual motion machine because it violate the known laws of physics...but the gravitomagnetism with serious study will opened up unexpected domains.

Power generators and electrical motors can highly benefit for gravitomagnetism experiment. Then the effect in frame-dragging would be magnitude greater than predicted by relativity. The fields are extremely small. It is possible to produce artificial gravitational fields within the standard equations of relativity and we only need mass the size of a neutron star to do it.

I explain to but you seem repeatedly answer the same doesn't work.
The necessary existence of a gravitomagnetism field has been well established by physicists specializing in general relativity, gravitational theories, and cosmology. But, the existence of this field is not well known in other of arenas of physical science.



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QUOTE(3dassets @ Apr 1 2012, 02:40 AM)
If it work, it won't come from a nobody. These thing cannot be stumbled upon only fairy tales can manipulate with fantasy solution.
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Nobody?? highly appreciated your comment.....these concept was in class I Impossibilities. It could be you great great grant children will use such public tech teleportation and stealth and these technologies may become available in some limited form in a century or two, BECAUSE in that it does NOT violate the laws of physics.

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post Apr 1 2012, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 01:42 PM)
Impractical much? Where can you get mass equivalent to a neutron star except from a neutron star? You need to move such a large mass just to produce a small amount of anti-gravity. What a waste of energy.
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It appear to be found in superconductors, and they’re much larger effects. Gravitomagnetism is a gravitational analogue to Lenz’s Law where angular acceleration on a superconductor is countered by a twisting tidal force generated by the gravitomagnetic frame-dragging effect. Boeing, the world’s largest aircraft manufacturer, support and working on experimental anti-gravity projects.




QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 01:42 PM)
None of the properties that you are describing has been attributed to to gravitomagnetism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitomagnetism

There is even a section specifically listed in the link above mentioning that gravitomagnetism does not support the possibility of anti-gravity. The only people who claim that are those who don't understand gravitomagnetism.
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It's man made, not natural..... manipulate magnetism using a current of electricity. We can defy the force of gravity.During the last 20 years many other scientists have published articles demonstrating the necessary existence of the gravitomagnetic field but not well known. Scientists are sensitive about their reputations and many of them still think antigravity is a joke. If they knew the facts, they'd be eager to get into it.We don't feel gravitomagnetism as we go about our everyday lives on Earth, but it's real.

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post Apr 1 2012, 09:07 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 06:52 PM)
Where are you getting that particular information about superconductors and gravitomagnetism?
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Magnetic flux in a superconductor is a function of the gravitomagnetic permeability, and vice versa. The velocity of a gravitational wave in a superconductor is estimated to be two orders of magnitude slower than the vacuum velocity, resulting in an estimate of relative gravitational permeability of a superconductor material which is as much as four magnitudes greater than free space.
http://prb.aps.org/abstract/PRB/v46/i9/p5489_1
http://prd.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v43/i2/p457_1


QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 06:52 PM)
If you have bothered to read about that article on gravitomagnetism, the effect of frame dragging is incredibly small and it has nothing to do with eletricity or magnetism. It only indicates that some of the effect of gravity is similar to that found in electromagnetism. The only thing that frame dragging can do is cause an object to rotate, not produce electricity or magnetic fields. Gravitmagnetism has no effect on electromagnetism or can not be affected by electromagnetism. So no manipulating gravity using electrical means.
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Superconducting emitter bombarded by a high-voltage discharge in a high-intensity magnetic field, rather than simply rotating a superconducting. The military has been working on it for a very long time in secret in my opinion. We do not need a lot of energy and not absorb the energy of the gravitational field. It can be controlled, as a transistor controls the flow of electricity. No law of physics is broken. This is manipulating in my opinion.

Superconductors could affect the force of gravity.



QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 06:52 PM)
You are describing using electromagnetic repulsion to overcome the force of gravity. Gravity remains unchanged. That is not manipulating gravity using electricity.
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Okay...this is out of topic regarding the book i read "Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion".
Here the more easy for you - NASA’s Ron Koczor and Tony Robertson of NASA Glenn research center, who performed tests on a superconductive disk designed by Podkletnov and built by SCI Engineered Materials. However, the replication achieved only 200 rpm of the required 5,000 rpm and failed achieve a measurable result.
Now i told you considering of DARPA, DoD, and other secrect project, antigravity was develop long time ago as this is weird science and disruptive technology
I don't doubt for a second that the person on link i gave you work is real and they were disappeared.



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post Apr 1 2012, 10:56 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 10:32 PM)
The link you gave does not really say anything. The only give a synopsis which is useless unless you can see the actual content of the papers. The actual contents require a login. What a waste of time.
More useless information that can't be verified. Only good information is that it does not work.
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The scientist who works on this is Ning Li(actually not real name)-cover up by US gov. If you really interested with the PDF copy, no problem sure will share.

QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 10:32 PM)
There was this article that I've found in regards to Ron Koczor. This does not support anything that you've said. Boeing did not do any research in this field. Nor did the experiments work. More money sunk without any results.
http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/brave_new_world/2002/10/feeling_antigravitys_pull.html
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Now you enough happy with your good result BUT....good news for me Black Project is working on it long time ago after WWII and Hitler as well and again Project Winterxxxxn is now working in development of a Mach 3 disc shaped electrogravitic fighter craft.

B2 Stealth Bomber is a contemporary craft that utilizes anti-gravity capabilities.

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post Apr 1 2012, 11:27 PM

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[quote=ricstc,Apr 1 2012, 02:43 AM]
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Available at : http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Antigravity-...y/dp/159143078X
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Ive got this ebook. Around 30MB in size. Bought it from Amazon. GREAT BOOK!!!

And here the Dr Laviolette hosting a daily radioshow audioed on Youtube


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Welcome aboard...page 54 more interesting biggrin.gif
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post Apr 2 2012, 11:05 AM

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QUOTE(MrUbikeledek @ Apr 2 2012, 07:58 AM)
Gravity is not a force per se. it's a deformation of space by huge mass. It's like if you put a cannonball in the middle of the matress. The cannonball will deform the otherwise flat surface of the matress. if you put a golf ball on the surface of the matress near the place where you put the cannonball, the deformation in the surface of the matress will cause the golf ball to roll into the cannonball. This is how large body in space attract another mass into it. because ths masses simply rolling into each other along the spacetime curvature. Now theoretically, it's possible to create anti-gravity. But we have to deform the surface of the matress upward instead of downward so the golf ball will roll outward instead. It implies that the cannonball must have a negative mass. Now how do we create negative mass? can you imagine the -5kg cannonball?

The anti-gravity peoples simply treat Gravity as a foirce just like magnetism. This is where they mistaken.
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None of above....but quite interesting with golf ball and cannonball....here I show you - "Magnetic principle" and the "Weight into Speed".. Golf ball and cannonball can kept unbalanced to sustain the disruption of equilibrium to produce the wobbling effect. It suspended on point, forever sideways or tilting. The magnet would not wear out because they were suspended on a magnetic field. Movement of the golf ball and canonball produced an electro-gravitational field to cause the mattress to lose its connection with gravity, thereby neutralizing it's 'weight'. Movement of the both ball could be controlled by pulling the ball out of rotation......We use two principles : The first is call: "Weight into Speed", the second is the "Magnetic Principle". This is same like Hamel Spinner!
High Grade University never teach us this weird stuff.
Both the "Magnetic principle" and the "Weight into Speed" devices will, if built right, run for many thousands of years!



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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 2 2012, 07:26 AM)
Seems that all the name that you've used can be found in the article below:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_shielding

It isn't anti-gravity. It is gravitational shielding. By itself it produces no propulsion at all. It just reduces the effect of gravity on a body with mass. It also does not work as described. You still need a propulsion system in order to move. Why bother with it if conventional rockets can already do the same without the need of for additional systems and weight?
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We no need the propulsion system. Gravitational shielding possible work caused by HTC superconductors produced by means of discs with multiple layers, rotating at high speed, Furthermore, not conventional superconductors are involved, but HTC superconductors.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/2157975.stm

"The project is being run by the top-secret Phantom Works in Seattle, the part of the company which handles Boeing's most sensitive programmes."

The article is a cover story/ program.
They may already have anti-gravity figured out and of course it's kept very secret.

Like an ARV: Alien Reproduction Vehicles (ARVs): Reversed-engineered UFOs made by humans by studying actual ET craft built by Lockheed, Northrup, et al, and housed in secretive locations around the world.

Phantom Works :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_Phantom_Works



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post Apr 2 2012, 07:34 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 2 2012, 06:06 PM)
The article that I've quoted is several months later than your article. It actually shows and invalidates some of the claims made in your article.

The only difference between regular superconductor and HTC superconductor is the operating temperature, nothing more.
Superconductors require constant cooling using liquid air in order to work. The fact the people at NASA destroyed a few HTC superconducting discs in their experiment with this theory indicates that they do wear out from use. Unless the discs are able to rotate themselves, you need a mechanism to keep the discs rotating. Motors can wear out. That is a lot of things that can wear out. Good luck getting it to last a few year much less a few thousand years.
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That is the problem with NASA design and they are NOT AWARE to do with the exhaust of heat like ordinary engines.This possibility that an accident may happen by the release of heat energy when the superconductive magnet of the engines change into normal conducive condition. It can wear out if they apply to much magnetic force and and the superconductor's capability is destroyed. Superconductivity is a spectacular phenomenon that is still intriguing researchers. This is the question that researchers have been trying to answer for the last twenty-five years.

TR-3B & X-22A antigravity craft is everywhere in this world the and Aurora is so real things.


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B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber electrostatically charges its exhaust stream and the leading edges of its winglike body. Although these disclosures were framed in the context of enhancing the B-2’s radar invisibility, in fact they are part of an electrogravitic drive capability. West Coast scientists and engineers who were formerly associated with black research projects, which are defense research projects that are so secret even their very existence is classified. Northrop, the prime contractor for the B-2, had been experimenting with applying high-voltage charge to aircraft hulls since at least 1968, when at an aerospace sciences meeting held in New York in January 1968 scientists from Northrop’s Norair Division reported that they were beginning wind tunnel studies on aerodynamic effects of applying high-voltage charges to the leading edges of high-speed aircraft bodies. Similar research was carried out in 1965 by the Grumman and Avco corporations. Interestingly, in 1994, Northrop bought out and merged with Grumman.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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Because it ignored by mainstream academics that the phenomenon isn’t anticipated by either classical electrostatics or general relativity.

I think you know this guy :

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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check out this http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Antigravity-...y/dp/159143078X if irrelevant. The post is about what contains in the book and not the mainstream one.

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:59 PM)
More like you didn't bother to understand the text that you've copied as proof. Nowhere does it mention anything about gravity. It only mentions aerodynamics.
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Electrogavitic or any stuff out of box doesn't bother you.


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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 12:47 PM)
Irrelevant post. Nothing to do with your superconductor gravity shield. It is changing the airflow around the aircraft not the gravitational field around the aircraft.
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Because NorthropCorp didn't mentioned about the gravitational field when it maneuver in stratosphere. This their secret. Normal thruster during take off and there are something weird in stratosphere level.

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post Apr 3 2012, 01:48 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 01:42 PM)
It bothers me quite a bit because you are passing it off as science.
Maybe it is because there actually nothing weird to begin with. What is so special about the stratosphere?

The Lockheed U-2 is capable of flying up to 21km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U2_spy_plane

Based on the page below, the stratosphere starts at 10km.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratosphere

Your B2 is only capable of reaching 15.2km
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-2_Spirit

That plane is capable of flying well within the stratosphere and it is well over 50 years old. Another example of your so called electrogravitic technology or good old basic engineering?
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none of above due to cover-up.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 01:59 PM)
Anything that does not agree with your view is a coverup, how convenient.

You don't know the meaning of the phrase "cover up".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cover_up
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Folk, what is your further clarification of Cover-Up?
There were folders called "filtered" and "unfiltered", "processed" and "raw", something like that. They also control the minds of hundreds of thousands of people include YOU. All sorts of evil flourishes when secrets abound and doors are closed and nobody knows. The only new thing are those which have been forgotten.

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 3 2012, 04:40 PM)
What is the point of covering up a technology that is useless to everyone except aircraft and spacecraft manufacturers? Most of the items needed to make it like superconductors and liquid air is not available to most people. How many persons do you know that can build their own supersonic aircraft? Are they worried that people would start fleeing the planet if this gets out? The idea that someone would want to cover this up is ridiculous.
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F-117, B-2, SR-71, reconaissance satellites are proof to media but still something behind it.

Example of US is feeding public false infomation, Russia is wraped in mystery,Chinese just test them they dont care for public, Europe dosent have much of these and one more US was in possession of vast futuristic weapon inventory . Which is slowly leaking to public, some of people wont even speak of them because of importance..but i know you think this is noone will use it, probably noone can replicate it.

A combination of basic research and new technology that will usually take years of engineering to make into a useful weapon system. It is definitely highly sensitive and not the kind of things you want the media or enemies to know you are working on until they are ready for production--and even then most of the details should remain classified.

So they have trust agencies working with black projects to have appropriate oversight from military branches, select committees of congress etc.

World/humanity will get it sooner or later....


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