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TSnorther
post Mar 30 2012, 09:55 PM, updated 14y ago

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I’m currently reading “Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion: Tesla, UFOs, and Classified Aerospace Technology”. This book I find fascinating because of its implications, anti-gravity travel and nearly free energy.

From the cover: "In Secrets of Antigravity Propulsion, physicist Paul LaViolette reveals the secret history of antigravity experimentation - from Nikola Tesla and T. Townsend Brown to the B-2 Advanced Technology Bomber. He discloses the existence of advanced gravity-control technologies, under secret military development for decades, that could revolutionize air travel using renewable energy. Included among the secret projects he reveals is the research of Project Skyvault to develop an aerospace propulsion system using intense beams of microwave energy similar to that used by the strange crafts seen flying over Area 51.

Using subquantum kinetics, the science behind antigravity technology, LaViolette reveals numerous field-propulsion devices and technologies that have thrust-to-power ratios thousands of times greater than that of a jet engine and whose effects are not explained by conventional physics and relativity theory. He then presents controversial evidence about the NASA cover-up in adopting these advanced technologies. He also details ongoing Russian research to duplicate John Searl’s self-propelled levitating disc and shows how the results of the Podkletnov gravity beam experiment could be harnessed to produce an interstellar spacecraft.”

The book is based mainly on the research and patents of Thomas Townsend Brown, an American physicist and inventor, but also on Tesla’s work because of his research into high-voltage shock discharges. Brown’s first inventions are listed as British patent 300,311 in 1928 and US patent 1,974,483 in 1934, both for gravitators. Initially, Brown’s work was dismissed by many of his colleagues (translated; not accepted in trade journals) because his research violated or challenged many of the main-stream accepted theories and laws of physics, particularly Newton’s third law of motion, Einstein’s laws of gravitation and relativity, and the first law of thermodynamics.

Before any of you dismiss this book as total nonsense, perhaps a bit of Brown’s career highlights may give you pause for reconsideration. In 1930, Brown was referred to Colonel Edward Deeds. Brown left his position at Swazey Observatory for a job at the Naval Research Laboratory in Washington, DC. He was assigned to the Navy-Princeton International Gravity Expedition to the West Indies on the US submarine S-48. Admiral Hyman Rickover, then a lieutenant, was the executive officer. Brown’s findings were summarized in a study titled “Anomalous Behavior of Massive High-K Dielectrics”. That study is still classified.

In 1933, Brown was given temporary leave to serve on the Johnson-Smithsonian Expedition on Eldridge Johnson’s yacht, the Caroline. While on the expedition, Brown had the opportunity to meet Johnson, Leon Douglass (McDonnell Douglass), and British master spy William S. Stephenson, who may have recruited Brown into his intel operations. In 1938, Brown was assigned to the maiden voyage of the USS Nashville as an assistant engineering officer, which carried $50 million in gold bullion from the Bank of England to Chase Manhattan Bank in New York. During that voyage, an electrogravitic research laboratory was established for him at the University of Pennsylvania, funded in part from the money on the USS Nashville. In 1939, Brown left the UofP to work as a material and process engineer at Glenn Martin Company (Lockheed Martin).

In 1940, the Navy called him back to head up a “mine sweeping research and development project” under the Bureau of Ships in Washington, DC, where he directed a staff of fifteen PhDs and had a budget of (coincidentally) nearly $50 million. Following the attack on Pearl Harbor, Brown was assigned to the Naval Operating Base in Norfolk, VA, as officer in charge of the Atlantic Fleet Radar Material School and Gyro-Compass School. In 1942, he was assigned to disassemble his equipment at the UofP and transfer it to Norfolk.

However, before his assignment to the Atlantic Fleet Radar School, Brown was assigned to the Philadelphia Navy Yard as an assistant machinery superintendent for “outfitting new ships”. This would have placed him in Philadelphia during the time when the USS Eldridge DE 173 was being outfitted for the infamous Philadelphia Experiment. When asked about his involvement in the experiment later in life, Brown said he “was not permitted to talk about that part of his work” and “much of what has been written about the project is grossly exaggerated”. Brown “retired” from the Navy in late 1943 due to a “nervous collapse”. One has to wonder if the collapse was due to the reportedly tragic events of the Philadelphia Experiment.

In 1944, Brown went to work for Lockheed Vega Aircraft in the Advanced Projects Unit (Skunk Works). In his spare time, he continued to conduct research with funding from his Townsend Brown Foundation. In 1952, he wrote a proposal urging the Navy to fund a highly secret project to develop a manned flying saucer as the basis of an interceptor aircraft with Mach 3 capability, Project Winterhaven. That proposal was never funded, probably due to highly classified work on electrogravitics already in progress.

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Available at : http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Antigravity-...y/dp/159143078X
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post Mar 31 2012, 08:04 AM

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"Patented" does not mean working. The patent office does not examine applications to make sure they are functional. Just that they are patentable. The US Patent Office used to require that working models are submitted with the applications, but that requirement was stopped long ago.

If the patent dates from 1930, the it should be in the public domain by now. You are free to go and commercialize it.

If the guy is connected to the American spook agencies, that does not validate his research. It may mean that he is no kook. But it may also mean that the whole thing is just a cover for whatever real research they are doing. Or perhaps it's just a way to get funds for "black ops" that have nothing to do with scientific research at all.

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post Mar 31 2012, 09:27 AM

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QUOTE(dkk @ Mar 31 2012, 08:04 AM)
"Patented" does not mean working. The patent office does not examine applications to make sure they are functional. Just that they are patentable. The US Patent Office used to require that working models are submitted with the applications, but that requirement was stopped long ago.

If the patent dates from 1930, the it should be in the public domain by now. You are free to go and commercialize it.

If the guy is connected to the American spook agencies, that does not validate his research. It may mean that he is no kook. But it may also mean that the whole thing is just a cover for whatever real research they are doing. Or perhaps it's just a way to get funds for "black ops" that have nothing to do with scientific research at all.
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The (unreplicated) results (by Eugene Podkletnov, Ning Li, Martin Tajmar) might indicate that GR is broken (entirely possible, and replacements have been proposed), but not necessarily that useful applications can be devised.
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post Mar 31 2012, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 09:27 AM)
The (unreplicated) results (by Eugene Podkletnov, Ning Li, Martin Tajmar) might indicate that GR is broken (entirely possible, and replacements have been proposed), but not necessarily that useful applications can be devised.
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How are scientists going to take you seriously if you cannot replicate the experiment that supports your theory? If it cannot be replicated, it cannot be independently verified by others making it nothing more than a fairy tale. Just like cold fusion, no one can replicate the results.
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post Mar 31 2012, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 10:04 AM)
How are scientists going to take you seriously if you cannot replicate the experiment that supports your theory? If it cannot be replicated, it cannot be independently verified by others making it nothing more than a fairy tale. Just like cold fusion, no one can replicate the results.
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How it supposed to disprove antigravity theory, any of them?

For the past several decades, highly classified aerospace programs in the United States and in several other countries have been developing aircraft capable of defying gravity. One form of this technology can loft a craft on matter-repelling energy beams. This exotic technology falls under the relatively obscure field of research known as electrogravitics."


Added on March 31, 2012, 10:46 am
QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 10:04 AM)
How are scientists going to take you seriously if you cannot replicate the experiment that supports your theory? If it cannot be replicated, it cannot be independently verified by others making it nothing more than a fairy tale. Just like cold fusion, no one can replicate the results.
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and for cold fusion we'd have to make them, investing energy.



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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 10:37 AM)
How it supposed to disprove antigravity theory, any of them?

For the past several decades, highly classified aerospace programs in the United States and in several other countries have been developing aircraft capable of defying gravity. One form of this technology can loft a craft on matter-repelling energy beams. This exotic technology falls under the relatively obscure field of research known as electrogravitics."
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You have to prove that is exists in the place. You do not have any proof at all at this moment. Unrepeatable results are not scientific proof.

Defying gravity and antigravity does not mean the same thing. Magnetic repulsion and electric repulsion is not antigravity.

Antigravity is supposed to work by affecting gravity directly by either reducing the effect of gravity or repulsion of mass bodies.

QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 10:37 AM)
and for cold fusion we'd have to make them, investing energy.
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No one can even describe cold fusion works, how are they supposed to make it? No one has been able to replicate the results of the first experiment until now. Millions have been sunk into with no useful results.
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post Mar 31 2012, 02:55 PM

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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
Defying gravity and antigravity does not mean the same thing. Magnetic repulsion and electric repulsion is not antigravity.
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No. The simple Magnetic & Electric Repulsion can create an antigravity and electro Magnetic flight. For exmple "hot air balloon" (an early form of anti-gravity) can rise up through the Earth's atmosphere... Using "Electricity "for fuel, which requires "super-conductivity" for efficiency, and "batteries" as "fuel tanks" to hold the electricity necessary to start it's "solid state electronic motors"

QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 02:18 PM)
Antigravity is supposed to work by affecting gravity directly by either reducing the effect of gravity or repulsion of mass bodies.
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It Would be possible to construct a craft with small enough propulsion power requirements that interstellar travel could be achieved.
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post Mar 31 2012, 03:11 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 02:55 PM)
No. The simple Magnetic & Electric Repulsion can create an antigravity and electro Magnetic flight. For exmple "hot air balloon" (an early form of anti-gravity) can rise up through the Earth's atmosphere... Using "Electricity "for fuel, which requires "super-conductivity" for efficiency, and "batteries" as "fuel tanks" to hold the electricity necessary to start it's "solid state electronic motors"
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Anti-gravity has a specific meaning. If it does not directly affect the force of gravity, it is not anti-gravity. Stop making up your own definition.

QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 02:55 PM)
It Would be possible to construct a craft with small enough propulsion power requirements that interstellar travel could be achieved.
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Given that no such devices has been created, these kind of claims cannot be proven therefore making it meaningless.
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post Mar 31 2012, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 02:55 PM)
No. The simple Magnetic & Electric Repulsion can create an antigravity and electro Magnetic flight. For exmple "hot air balloon" (an early form of anti-gravity) can rise up through the Earth's atmosphere... Using "Electricity "for fuel, which requires "super-conductivity" for efficiency, and "batteries" as "fuel tanks" to hold the electricity necessary to start it's "solid state electronic motors"
It Would be possible to construct a craft with small enough propulsion power requirements that interstellar travel could be achieved.
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Hot air balloon is not anti gravity, the same gravitation still pull the balloon except the hot air is stronger.

Interstellar travel don't need own energy source like petrol in engine, it should be abundance in the stellar to be viable such as the sun.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 03:11 PM)
Anti-gravity has a specific meaning. If it does not directly affect the force of gravity, it is not anti-gravity. Stop making up your own definition.
Given that no such devices has been created, these kind of claims cannot be proven therefore making it meaningless.
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Here simple explanation A crsft that when in flight, can generate all the electricity it needs and recharge its batteries, just from its motion... A craft that once outside the Earth's atmosphere, flies at electromagnetic speeds.
If you believe or some other abstract theory, you will never understand antigravity or electro-magnetic craft... It is necessary to understand gravity as a simple electro-magnetic force, to understand the principles of antigravity and electro-magnetic craft.
It all by manipulating!


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QUOTE(3dassets @ Mar 31 2012, 04:09 PM)
Hot air balloon is not anti gravity, the same gravitation still pull the balloon except the hot air is stronger.

Interstellar travel don't need own energy source like petrol in engine, it should be abundance in the stellar to be viable such as the sun.
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And being generated by the mass of the sun. But I never mentioned on petrol engine. Just an example on hot air balloon.


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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 04:47 PM)
Here simple explanation A crsft that when in flight, can generate all the electricity it needs and recharge its batteries, just from its motion... A craft that once outside the Earth's atmosphere, flies at electromagnetic speeds.
If you believe or some other abstract theory, you will never understand antigravity or electro-magnetic craft... It is necessary to understand gravity as a simple electro-magnetic force, to understand the principles of antigravity and electro-magnetic craft.
It all by manipulating!
Among the four forces of nature, only electromagnetic force has opposite interaction. that mean's it can attract and repel. Gravity force has no such behaviour.
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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 04:47 PM)
Here simple explanation A crsft that when in flight, can generate all the electricity it needs and recharge its batteries, just from its motion... A craft that once outside the Earth's atmosphere, flies at electromagnetic speeds.
If you believe or some other abstract theory, you will never understand antigravity or electro-magnetic craft... It is necessary to understand gravity as a simple electro-magnetic force, to understand the principles of antigravity and electro-magnetic craft.
It all by manipulating!


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And being generated by the mass of the sun. But I never mentioned on petrol engine. Just an example on hot air balloon.
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Maybe it is not defy gravity but focused channel of energy source that pull object around if you want to guess, and the reason why it can be seen but not detected by radar according to stories but a spaceship don't need to emit lights, you said that it is plasma thing that cause it to glow but the small parts of lights does look like light rather than propulsion, which look low tech, why smaller plasma propulsion needed all over the craft? Not efficient ET.

The b2 bomber does look kind of odd but its based on a kite, so, simplicity is the key.

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post Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM

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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 04:47 PM)
Here simple explanation A crsft that when in flight, can generate all the electricity it needs and recharge its batteries, just from its motion... A craft that once outside the Earth's atmosphere, flies at electromagnetic speeds.
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You can't have the same energy to move an object and store it at the same time. It can only be used for one purpose at any one time in a system. This is basic science-Law of conservation of energy. What you are describing is more like a perpetual motion machine which cannot exist.

What is electromagnetic speed? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 04:47 PM)
If you believe or some other abstract theory, you will never understand antigravity or electro-magnetic craft... It is necessary to understand gravity as a simple electro-magnetic force, to understand the principles of antigravity and electro-magnetic craft.
It all by manipulating!
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The only manipulation I see here the manipulations of facts. Gravity is not an electro-magnetic force. It may behave in similarly in certain manners, it is not the same thing. People who misunderstand Gravitomagnetism believe that anti-gravity is possible.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM)
You can't have the same energy to move an object and store it at the same time. It can only be used for one purpose at any one time in a system. This is basic science-Law of conservation of energy. What you are describing is more like a perpetual motion machine which cannot exist.
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They are byproduct.
This which requires super-conductivity for efficiency
hold the electricity necessary to start it's solid state electronic motors.


QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM)
What is electromagnetic speed? Are you just making stuff up as you go?
The only manipulation I see here the manipulations of facts. Gravity is not an electro-magnetic force. It may behave in similarly in certain manners, it is not the same thing.
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you are right because physical theories, gravity is totally different from electromagnetism.
There are plenty of people that argue this idea however i believe that the Gravity and the Electromagnetic Force are identical... and we can graphically see that the Gravity Force is a simple electromagnetic attraction...and this is can described in geometry direction.... gravity is a byprodcuct of electromagnetic.


QUOTE(Eventless @ Mar 31 2012, 06:26 PM)
People who misunderstand Gravitomagnetism believe that anti-gravity is possible.
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Translate this into Hyperspace. And we need to measure the gravitational equivalent of a magnetic field. Superconductive gyroscope is capable of generating a powerful gravitomagnetic field, and is therefore the gravitational counterpart of the magnetic coil. This apparently has profound consequences for interstellar travel, as the gravitomagnetic field used for propulsion will set up an alternate space-time field, akin to the warped space-time in a black hole, and time dilation occurs. 10-light year trip would only take 80 days.
Gravitomagnetism can create a lot of antigravity



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QUOTE(3dassets @ Mar 31 2012, 05:41 PM)
Maybe it is not defy gravity but focused channel of energy source that pull object around if you want to guess, and the reason why it can be seen but not detected by radar according to stories but a spaceship don't need to emit lights, you said that it is plasma thing that cause it to glow but the small parts of lights does look like light rather than propulsion, which look low tech, why smaller plasma propulsion needed all over the craft? Not efficient ET.

The b2 bomber does look kind of odd but its based on a kite, so, simplicity is the key.
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I’m still confused with your question regarding Light. Light from which side? Side of craft windows? strange light? Multipy light or famous one beam light? But i guess you are asking about the light emitting from the ETs machine that accelerate the craft.

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There are no known devices that can convert electrical force into gravitational force. All you have is a bunch of unprovable fairy tales.
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post Mar 31 2012, 10:22 PM

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There are no known devices that can convert electrical force into gravitational force. All you have is a bunch of unprovable fairy tales.
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same as x-ray were a hoax 150 years ago hmm.gif

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QUOTE(norther @ Mar 31 2012, 10:22 PM)
same as x-ray were a hoax 150 years ago  hmm.gif
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There's a big difference here. The effects of x-rays are measurable and replicable. Meaning that anyone that had the right equipment could recreate the devices and verify the findings.

All you have are designs and theories that doesn't work.
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QUOTE(Eventless @ Apr 1 2012, 12:51 AM)
There's a big difference here. The effects of x-rays are measurable and replicable. Meaning that anyone that had the right equipment could recreate the devices and verify the findings.

All you have are designs and theories that doesn't work.
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If it work, it won't come from a nobody. These thing cannot be stumbled upon only fairy tales can manipulate with fantasy solution.
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Available at : http://www.amazon.com/Secrets-Antigravity-...y/dp/159143078X
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Ive got this ebook. Around 30MB in size. Bought it from Amazon. GREAT BOOK!!!

And here the Dr Laviolette hosting a daily radioshow audioed on Youtube



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QUOTE(ricstc @ Apr 1 2012, 02:43 AM)

Finally got people try to cash in, Secrets-Antigravity-Propulsion-Classified-Technology sold in Amazon is no secret any more but still no anti-gravity science project yet got hand book. biggrin.gif

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