I never said there was no other fans calling for his head but the scousers certainly know how to look at the bigger picture. There's always going to be a group that thinks he isn't the right man but some people are just not giving him enough credit.

Enough for me is we created enough chances to score more goals than opposition. Aston Villa had a good first half, no doubt but other than defending really well and scoring from their only effort on target, there was nothing else.

That's because we are too wasteful with the ball and opponents are more clinical. I don't know if it's down to luck or what but we hit the woodwork four times yesterday - Kuyt's shot after Given saved it, Suarez's header, Bellamy's volley and Agger's header but Luis scored from the rebound. Kuyt missed a sitter as well.

I know whether a team deserves it or not is irrelevant in football but don't you think it is a little bit retarded that we continue to miss chances after chances, game after game, but oppositions score from their only attack? And then you get Man United who gets a penalty week in, week out. Something is wrong.

Now, tell me, is that Kenny's fault? (Defensively maybe but the attack would and should have softened the blow of conceding).

Yeah, we have the lowest conversion rate in the Premier League and I'm pretty sure we are dead last. I remember Suarez had like 10 shots himself on goal against Norwich but he failed to score and we drew the game. Kenny's fault for buying a player who doesn't take his chances in that game?

Yes, we led 2-0 with like 13 minutes left and the team just switched off which IMO, was very unlike Liverpool. God knows what happened but I don't think Kenny told the players to chill out. So based on your statement ... AC Milan didn't deserve to win the Champions League in 2005 because we had one hell of a 6 minutes of match time?

You're right that the phrase 'Deserved to win' is used to mask a manager's ineptitude but it performances of that particular game gives a good enough impression of something positive to take into the next game. Would you have prefered it if we just lost 3-0? Since 3-2 and a 3-0 defeat is a defeat.

It is true we lose, win and draw as a team but why does the manager have to take the blame when we fail to win a game thanks to a striker missing a last minute penalty? Fair enough, the manager picks the players, picks the formation, sets the tactics so to a certain degree, makes an impact in the match but when the team has played well in 90 minutes but the score remains 0-0 because we missed a sitter, a player gets sent off or defender gives away a penalty ... we blame the manager?

For the second paragraph, it isn't the same because Kenny Dalglish has shown what he is capable of with his managerial honours with Liverpool pre-Premier League and with Blackburn in the Premier League. IMO, that is enough to give him at least one more season and also especially since after what he has contributed to the club as a person as well.

The likes of Andres Villas-Boas, Claudio Ranieri, Carlo Ancelotti at Chelsea or Mark Hughes and Sven Erikson at City were sacked because they failed to deliver what the owner wanted. That may also be the case for Kenny but the difference is, they do not have a history that warrants them another chance. While Ancelotti did win Champions League trophies, it was always said that Abrahimovic were stupid to sack him especially since he won the double in the first season.

But for example, Roy Hodgson, while I was willing to give him chances, he made us play some of the most painful football in terms of performances. He continued to say the wrong things over and over again in interviews and even insulted the fans. Kenny and Rafa knew what to fight for and gave us some good football. That is why, IMO, they are/were both wanted by the majority but there's definitely a group who do/did not want them.

So you're implying Kenny said to the players "Hey boys, let's play well in the first half of the season and screw up the second half"? Obviously you don't and certainly Kenny didn't say that. Like I said, i don't know wtf happened in the second half of the season. The performances have probably been consistent in terms of playing "okay" but the results have been terrible and majority had not reflected on the game. That's why I'd rather get beaten by Arsenal,Chelsea, United home and away every season as long as we win the league.

True. Every manager has to cope with suspensions and injuries but they may have adequate replacements for them in the team but any manager is going to suffer if they lose players of quality of Gerrard, Suarez, Lucas and Agger all at one go. I mean 'nothing much he can do' because he has no Gerrard, Agger, Lucas or Suarez to pick from so he has to pick Adam, Carragher or Kuyt instead.

Depth of squad issues won't be solved in one season, my friend unless he's going to spend another 50-100 million in last summer's window but you don't exactly want to bring in 10 players into your squad at one go. He had to get rid of the deadwoods last season and probably has to do the same this season. Right now, if he sells the 'crap' players most refer to - Carroll, Henderson, Downing and Adam, he just has to buy another four and our strength in depth won't improve. That's replacing, not exactly improving. Improving is we maybe keep Carroll, Downing, Henderson and Adam as squad players and buy quality in the summer. It took Wenger and Ferguson to have these adequate players at their disposal because I think it's unlikely they were selling every season (except the crap players of course). Mancini arrive at the club with previous managers already buying the "squad players" for him.

Wished I had seen this before so I didn't have to spend my time replying above.

That is because Roy Hodgson never won three league titles, two FA Cups and four Charity Shields with Liverpool. Yeah, titles in Scandinavia are very prestigious eh.

Made us play some of the shittiest football I've ever seen Liverpool play.

He insulted the fans who protested against the owners and that man's 'famous European away' win is against Trabzonspor rather than 'Barcelona at Nou Camp' under Rafa.

He publicly criticised Glen Johnson. Told Pepe Reina to stop distrubing the ball but kick it long and be more English.

He frozed out Daniel Agger and all his pre- and post- match interviews were disgraceful as hell. Said "I won't say Fernando Torres won't leave" when there were rumours of him going to United but Rafa and Kenny would say 'No, he is not for sale'.

Woy Hodgson continued to ass-kissed Ferguson and was always happy with a point even at home and said we played our best of the season when the Bitters beat us 2-0 at Goodison Park where we were utterly dreadful.

Yes, those are glory hunters. As Bill Shankly once said, if you cannot support the team when they draw or lose, don't bother supporting when they win.

Agreed. That man will know when he can't take us forward anymore and trust me, this is hurting him much more than it is hurting us.


No, Kenny Dalglish simply gets the benefit of the doubt because he has proven he can win titles. Roy Hodgson was everything what a Liverpool manager SHOULD NOT be.

I used to say I just want us to play well but I can't agree with that anymore. No one cares what type of football you play, they only remember winners. Ask Arsenal about that. I'm sure they would be willing to give up some beautiful football to be traded for a cup.

I'll gladly take 38 scrappy 1-0 wins.

Liverpool, should be winning cups - League title, European cup, FA Cup or League Cup .. it doesn't matter.

Kenny Dalglish inherited a squad very low on morale, confidence and that seemed broken.

It's never easy to fix that in one season and there's alot of work that needs to be done. The same way Ferguson inherited that squad back in 1986(?).

Ferguson can now afford to only add one to two quality players into his starting eleven because he's already got the squad he wanted, which took years to build.

A new manager that comes in will always have to spend more because he would want his own players to play in the tactics he wants to set up.

If Kenny Dalglish is sacked or steps down, we'll just have another manager who will be in the same process and we may yield the same results and then everyone wants him sacked as well and the cycle will keep repeating.

You need to have some stability because uncertainties will have affect on players as well and Kenny at least deserves that chance to make it right.

Barcelona is Barcelona they are from a different planet!! They only compete with a few teams for La Liga and Spanish domestic titles. We've got to compete with Man City, Man United and Chelsea who can spend! Plus Spurs, Arsenal and Newcastle now.

They did go trophyless for 4 years between 5 managers (see, changing of managers). And Rijkaard won his first title in his second season (time given).

Anyways, the current Barcelona squad consists of a manager who played under the system revamped by then manager, Johan Cruyff and players who grew up playing in the la masia academy revamped by Cruyff so basically they've got a manager and the players all playing in the same way practically their whole life.

Same can't be said about us.

Yes, he 'built' the current squad but it is never going to be a walk in a park when you put in four or five new players in the team at once and hope they win titles. He's had to get rid of alot of deadwood players - Konchesky, Cole, Poulsen, El Zhar, Degen and such.

Same .. i thought we would have beaten Swansea, Norwich, Arsenal and more?


Well, Joe Cole was free but he was 90k per week. I don't think any of the new recruits are close to 90k.

But if you rather have those deadwood than the current deadwood, our squad will never improve. It will be a whole lot better if we bought quality and have the current deadwoods as ... squad players. Expensive, yes, but United has Carrick, Berbatov, Anderson who just three together cost maybe 70 million on the bench at times.

Barcelona has players and a manager who play in the same system all their lives. It is easier for Guardiola to come and do the job because he's basically implementing nothing because what he wanted there, was already there.

Same can't be said about Kenny. Half or 3/4 the squad he inherited are not what he wanted.

I guess the theory can't be applied to everyone. I never said it did and that's why I said 'we MAY yield the same results'. I never said we 'WILL'.

Yes, the Liverpool team under Souness was arguably one of the worst in the club's history until now but I guess Souness also undone the work only for Evans, Houlier and Rafa to rebuild and then had the work undone again under Roy. Now, Kenny Dalglish has a very huge task to rebuild.

I agree with you. While we may not be getting the results we want, at least we've got 'okay' performances which are probably good enough to have won the games.

While I've always liked Downing, I guess playing for Liverpool is a step too far for him. Wished we had signed Ashley Young or Juan Mata instead and yes this can be pointed to KD, so are the signings of Carroll and Adam.

Carroll was a late signing though cause el bastardo decided to hand in a transfer request like 3 days before the windows closed. That's not helping and I don't know about some people but I would have preferred two young strikers at that time.

Maybe Kenny did buy the wrong players in Downing, Adam and Carroll. While Enrique was one of the better purchases, he has been poor in the last few months to be honest. As for Henderson, I actually think he can become a good player. He's started slow, kinda like Lucas in his first 2 years but Henderson surely can pass a ball. People forget he is only 21. Not everyone is a Jack Wilshere or Steven Gerrard.

But at least, the King deserves a chance to undo his mistake, which is the least he deserves after what he has done for the club.

If you truly understand the word 'MAY', then we wouldn't be talking about this.

Like I said I don't know much about Italian football cause I don't enjoy watching it so I can't comment but in Rafa's first season, he didn't have to compete with Tottenham, Newcastle and Manchester City and only Chelsea and Man United were throwing money at that time and he has always been a mastermind when it comes to European football but I guess he needed a bit of luck (maybe something Kenny has been missing) with that 'goal' scored by Garcia against Chelsea and the fact that we were thoroughly outplayed by AC Milan except for 6 minutes.


The difference is Adam, Downing and Carroll have always been decent/good/okay players back in their former clubs. Joe Cole was on a downward trend falling behind in Chelsea's pecking order, Poulsen and Konchesky have always been shit. So signing them made sense instead of the flops like Diouf, Poulsen, Konchesky and such.

Improvement is when we buy 'better' players without selling. In the past so many years, we've had to sell Mascherano, Alonso, Arbeloa and Torres. Granted, the replacements are not any better but it's always going to be difficult to replace players like them at the moment. While the manager can get some stick for selling a player, the problems still lay with Hicks and Gillett.

Do you think if we were not under them, we would have to sell Mascherano, Alonso, Arbeloa and Torres? Maybe not and we'd surely may have added Aguero and Silva to the squad.

Well, Ferguson was given time to achieve that winning squad and all, the same we should give to Kenny (at least one more season).

Yes, Ferguson took four season to win his first cup (FA cup) and 7 years to win his first league title. Imagine if they had fired him before that cause he went three years without a trophy? We'll be still sitting on our perch.

One of the biggest problems here still, is the lack of goalscorer. While Suarez has been very prolific in the past, he's been more of a creator here and sometimes I feel he doesn't even trust his teammates that much when he prefers to take that extra man. Can fault him there because I've seen players like that in real life. Imagine if we had put away half of the chances we had. I think we have the lowest conversion rate in the league and to have scored so little and be yet so low, it suggests that we have TONS of shots. And I don't see Andy Carroll as the guy who will be scoring 20 goals a season. And this isn't helped by the fact that Papiss Cisse have scored more than Adam, Downing, Henderson and Gerrard put together (i think).



Apparently, Cruyff got the idea of tiki taka from the Liverpool 1970s-1980s team. I'm not sure but I've seen some people mention that. Funnily enough .. that was the Liverpool team Kenny played in and probably managed.

There's also a lack of pace in the team. We've not got a forward like Torres or wingers like Young and Bale.

I think Kenny still has a huge task. It has to start with the unity in the dressing room which was lost under Roy. Then he has to get the fans, players and owners together. Then he has to get the performances on the pitch. He has done so-so in all of those three criteria. Now he has to get the results, which unfortunately, have not been there. The team isn't shite. I mean, we're able to compete with Man United, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Tottenham but it's the mentality we have when it comes to the other 14 teams.

Then confidence and mentality are the problems. The longer the players take to score, the more they get that 'here it comes again' thinking. When you hit the woodwork a couple of times, they get that 'it is one of those days again' feeling.

Also don't you feel something is wrong when .. i mean, this weekend alone, you saw Man United getting a penalty when Ashley Young was offside and dove. The media would be over Suarez all week if it was him instead of Young. Then you see Chelsea scoring two offside goals against Wigan, the team that beat us. Ciise scored an offside goal against us for his second and Danny Simpson blocked the ball off the line with his arm.

I don't like blaming officials but it kinda makes you think about it when Manchester United gets decisions every week, every season in their favour. It's almost as though the FA wants United to win the league.

He's starting out slow like Lucas did, prefering to keep it simple and tidy. Against Villa, he can certainly pass a ball but I can't blame him for keeping it simple when fans are moaning and groaning whenever he loses the ball or plays it backwards but i think he has been playing better when he plays in the centre but I tell you want thing, Kenny playing him on the right, will help him in his development, the same way how Rafa Benitez got the best out of Steven Gerrard and Lucas (by playing him as a DM).

Maxi Rodriguez better get a start at the weekend. He knows how to score.

I didn't expect Gerrard and Suarez to sit this one out but I like the back four that doesn't include Carragher and Enrique.

I'm glad we won the game because Kenny will get shot from every angle possible if we had lost the game having no started Gerrard and Suarez. Hopefully we can continue winning.

Yeah .. our players can learn alot about making runs into the box. Also, our wide players can learn how to put the ball into the box like Bellamy.

You ingat saya LFC.tv ke? lol joking ..

I always check footytube http://www.footytube.com/video/blackburn-r...163?flyingspaghettimonster=hp_lmrv
but the best highlights are usually the day after when they have Match of the Day the day before.


Yeap and we had to play for 60 minutes plus with 10 men.

Our 'star players' haven't been able to win us games XD

Should I be worried that we won a game without Gerrard and Suarez?

Gosh.

So many new replies that I can even find a reply to my post!

Maybe Kenny will now get full control over transfers.

You mean Rick Parry?

Hahha yeah too many names. Must be Martin Broughton but I thought he was okay (help us to find a buyer and all that) but the sly fox was Christian Purslow.

It's going to be an interesting summer for Liverpool, again

The players were Kenny's choices but it was Comolli who negotiated the deals and the sums were very high so maybe that's why he was sacked.

Definitely but Newcastle knew we had the money and it was probably either we get him for 35 million or not get him at all and at that time, two forwards seemed a better option than one.

But one thing FSG is .. they are not stupid.

They know what the implications are if they sack Kenny at any point of this season.

Either they go through with it, have another year of faith in Kenny or the rumours that they want to put the club up for sale, is true.

Nope!

It's going to be Kenny Dalglish as DoF and Rafa as manager

Doni's red card appeal decision is expected today I think.

Poor lad, his face says it all when he was walking back towards the tunnel. He must have been absolutely gutted.