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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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cheahcw2003
post Jun 10 2013, 11:35 PM

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QUOTE(KOHTT @ Jun 10 2013, 11:31 PM)
Thanks for info. That's very helpful  rclxms.gif ...I just received my ASM allocation statement via post today and they attached brochure on ASG together.

Will find out more and post it here know if I need more info.
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ASG has no different than other unit trust that offered by private mutual fund company. i.e. variable price, u may get capital gain and income distribution.

The good thing is ASG is having promotion of 2% sales charge.
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post Jun 12 2013, 11:48 AM

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Adolph,

U seems very helpful in this thread. I have one question. I notice the following and need u o clarify:-

For ASNB's variable price product, there is a NAV price update every morning, so if let say the investor invest RM1000 in ASG, they will know exactly how many units they can buy on the spot.

Unlike the private mutual funds, we won't know how many units we can buy with RM1000 until the following day, as it is based on the closing price of the day we invest.

Pls enlighten me on the above
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post Jun 13 2013, 10:10 AM

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QUOTE(adolph @ Jun 12 2013, 10:31 PM)
Cheahcw2003,

I'm understand regarding your concern but I'm not heavily invest in mutual funds because it is out of my bucket. So, I'm not sure for other mutual funds company. Yes, I will know how many remaining units that I uphold once i purchase units as well the charge that imposed during purchasing units by simple calculation. Let take your example,

ASG-Didik : 1.0988 NAV
Invest amount : RM 1,000


Simple Calculation,
RM1,000 / 1.02 = RM 980.39
Rm 980.39 / 1.0988 NAV = 892.23 units in total

For every RM 1,000 invested amounts, you will received 892.23 units in your investment and RM 19.61 is the grand total charge. Once you do an investment, you can still refer to receipt "Pelaburan Tambahan" with computer generated. please apply the calculation as above and you will see it will display a same amounts and method.

For additional units from dividend yield, if you uphold 1,000 units and the fund declared 7.00 sen per units. you will get 70 units additional by calculation as follow,
1,000 units x 0.070 = 70 units for your investment portfolio
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post Jun 13 2013, 10:18 AM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jun 13 2013, 10:02 AM)
I've been following this thread for an awfully long time and I'd like to share my 2 cents worth on those waiting on the PNB's next fixed priced fund...

Personally, I don't think they will launch another one. Even if they would like to, the authorities wouldn't like it too much. PNB/ASNB's AUM is now in the billions and represents a huge chunk of our equity stock market. Mind you, some would deem them as a shadow bank because of their size.

And it is due to this very reason why the regulators would somewhat frown upon them if they were to launch another fixed priced fund. Imagine if its customers were to do massive withdrawal ( a run ) due to one of many potential reasons (economic crisis, political unrest, etc2..), it would be disastrous for the equity markets. And since fixed priced funds are pegged at RM1 regardless of its actual NAV per unit, it would make things worse. Unlike EPF which also has an equally large impact due to its size of participation in the equity markets, you can't do a run on EPF as the latter's withdrawal is governed by rules and regulations.

The next economic cycle is coming up (1997/98, 2008, 2017/18?) so even if they were allowed to come up with a new fixed priced fund, it wouldn't really be a good idea. They might consider one post 2017/18 if they picked up equities during the anticipated upcoming downturn.

Again personally I doubt that they'll be coming up with another fixed priced fund. They may potentially expand the existing fund sizes but that again would not be "liked" by regulators such as SC and even BNM. Mind you, these fixed priced funds are classified as low risk medium return investments. Chasing yields for it in order to give healthy dividends is not easy.

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Good analysis.
We may only hv new fixed price funds if there is change of PM, for example ASW2020 launched during Dr.M's regime.
AS1M was launched when Najib took over.
And ASD/ASM in between the 2 above mentioned 2PMs aka during Pak Lah's time.

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jun 13 2013, 03:21 PM)
You got some good point there.
So the conclusion is NO New Fixed price fund.  Too bad those waiting to invest  cry.gif
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Although no news funds being launch.
If u notice, the fund size keep on increasing after the declaration of the dividend paid. The dividend paid is partially by the sales of new shares.
If u read the ASM 2013 fund report, u will know what I meant
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QUOTE(ronnie @ Jun 13 2013, 10:49 PM)
Raya time in August will be a good chance to buy some units.....
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Raya time maybe Malay investors may withdraw some money from the account but it doesn't help non bumi at all as most funds like Asw2020, As1m, ASM have bumi quota.
Bumi who sold their units could only purchased back by other bumi investors.

This post has been edited by cheahcw2003: Jun 13 2013, 11:01 PM
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post Jun 14 2013, 01:30 PM

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QUOTE(smsbusiness2u @ Jun 14 2013, 11:46 AM)
Please do not make any conclusion without fact which might confius other read...

moderator, should we create confusion info for other reader?
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Don't take it so serious brother.
Public forum ppl are free to give their opinion and cyrstal ball prediction.

Even we live in multiracials society, as a non Hindu, I don't think it has any impact on the availability of the fixed priced funds during Thaipusam or Deepavali.
Same goes to Christmas, Wesak Day, awal Muharram, or Good Friday.
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post Jun 14 2013, 04:52 PM

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If both ASM and ASD declares its divided at 6.8%, we can expect the same dividend for the coming ASW2020 and AS1M
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post Jun 14 2013, 06:17 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jun 14 2013, 05:10 PM)
Looking at past history, I could conclude that the dividend rate would be same as ASD 6.8%  biggrin.gif

http://1-million-dollar-blog.com/dividends/
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Davinz is right. AHB always benchmark against Pnb's fixed price fund's return. The only thing is AHB does not allow compounding of dividend. It muse be paid out to the Maybank account bi-annually. Thus u can see the amount growing.
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QUOTE(ay@m @ Jun 15 2013, 01:00 AM)
sign, too bad ASD is only for bumiputera...
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All fixed price funds are paying the same dividend return.
ASM, AS1M, ASW are open to all, quotas apply.
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QUOTE(MGM @ Jun 15 2013, 09:07 AM)
Not just crumbs but quotas too.
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Even it is still a lot of ppl go for it.
It's nature is like FD but paid 2 x higher returns than FD.
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QUOTE(crab hammer @ Jun 15 2013, 02:14 PM)
ASD 6.8% just ok but not nice smile.gif

PNB need word harder. EQUITY for last past 2years is bullish, why PNB cant give 7%
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The chairman used to like to put a remarks that actually they can pay upto 9% but they will carry forward the difference to prepare for the hay days
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QUOTE(hyzam1212 @ Jun 16 2013, 10:36 AM)
Nope, quotas applied
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If quota apply then it must be 100% bumi quota for ASD
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QUOTE(smsbusiness2u @ Jun 16 2013, 11:06 PM)
Pls read properly my post and you do not be clever to give lesson to people if you no willing to share .
I want to highlight indirect to cheahcw2003 that FD is no same nature as ASNB fund.
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ASNB is an investment I notice that, so do fixed deposit.
The Islamic terms of Fixed deposit is called "Mudharabah General Investment Account", so what say you?

I said both the nature are the same, what I meant is in terms of the distribution of the income/dividend. ASNB fixed price funds, since its incorporation never fail to pay annual dividend of above 6% p.a..
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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 20 2013, 09:03 AM)
Guys just wanna ask if i put money in asb in june 2013, would i get the pro-rated dividend for year 2013? I was told by a few people that pnb only considered the lowest amount before financial year. Please help to clarify.
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Dividend is based on monthly rest thus calculate based on the lowest balance of each month.
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QUOTE(plumberly @ Jun 20 2013, 07:47 AM)
Thanks.

I don't mean if the yearly dividend is guaranteed or not.

What I want to know is, if my amount in ASM is RM10,000 now (principal plus past year dividends) and KLCI dropped by 50%, can I still withdraw the RM10,000?

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ASM is a fixed price price fund of RM1 per unit, how can it dropped below the par value?
Your RM10k will still be there. Equity performance will affect the dividend payout but not your principal
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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 20 2013, 09:37 AM)
Thanks bro. Appreciate it very much. Typo there from me. It is supposed to be as1m, not asb
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You are welcome.
Be it As1m or ASB, all fixed price calculation is the same.
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QUOTE(silverwave @ Jun 21 2013, 10:55 PM)
Non bumi. I thought ASB is the one for bumi?
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It is all in the www.asnb.com.my
which funds are for bumi only and which funds are for all
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post Jun 23 2013, 11:28 PM

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QUOTE(AMINT @ Jun 23 2013, 09:20 AM)
Guys, 3 days ago i tried buying more asb and as1m via cimbclicks. As1m went through but asb was rejected (maybe because full. Tried to be kiasu). How long do i have to wait until cimb banks in the money back? The money is still not back in my savings account
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Bro, u r indirectly telling us your ASB is full until burst...
Hehe just kidding
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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jun 28 2013, 06:19 PM)
My question are;
1 - Is it recommended to get this package? I am somehow prefer this one instead of manually adding the money into ASB due to busy-ness.

2 - If I count correctly, RM 175 x 12 months x 25 years = RM 52,500 (EXCLUDING 8.00% bonus [consider the mimimum rate for example]).
So what does this actually mean? I pay RM 175 per month for 25 years but I only get RM 30,000 instead of RM 52,500? Or I am missing something?
I don't have chance to ask the second question because our meeting was interrupted by personal business and also just thought about that on the way home.
Please kindly advise ya.
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what is the ASB loan interest rate?
This is a Skim Mesti Kaya for Bumiputera ver limited downside.

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