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 AS1M/ASM/ASW2020/ASN/ASB and other PNB funds V3, lending your money to the government

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lucifah
post Jul 3 2013, 07:03 PM

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QUOTE(titanic_crash @ Jul 3 2013, 07:02 PM)
i can confirm that lasb under mayban islamic, there is no locking period anymore

however, under mayban conventional, there is 2 years lock-in period..
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what's the difference between those two loan schemes?

any diff in term of interest rate / hibbah ?
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post Jul 3 2013, 11:57 PM

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QUOTE(davinz18 @ Jul 3 2013, 11:07 PM)
Good decision to invest in as1m rclxms.gif
I think as1m already sold out even before the 1st dividend announcement. I think April / May 2010 already sold out hmm.gif

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AS1M bumiputra quota is still and always available sad.gif
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post Jul 4 2013, 08:00 AM

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QUOTE(hyelbaine @ Jul 4 2013, 07:51 AM)
To be fair, a fund like ASB will never be fully taken up. It's an open ended fund so essentially, there's no way for ASB to be fully subscribed. AS1M however is picking up quickly due to the fact that there's no individual cap on the amount that can be invested. Looking at how ASW, ASM and ASD have been scooped up by bumi's, AS1M should be taken up completely in the near future.
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Contrary to whatyou may have heard, i can guaratnee you that you can just walk in to any RHB / maybank / CIMB banks and buy bumiputra units for those funds and it's always available, albeit not a large amount (maybe a few hundred k's a day)

many bumi are buying, and are also selling all the time

if you know the bank manager personally, you can personally park an amount of money to him / her and ask them to automatically slot in anytime someone sells their units, which doesn't take more than a few days... wink.gif


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post Jul 13 2013, 04:57 AM

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QUOTE(foolc @ Jul 8 2013, 09:16 AM)
really rugi

chinese cannot top up

the chinese kuota also snatched by rich chinese

the poorer chinese accumulate money and want to dump in but full already

india kuota still got also

heard got muthu bank in rm50k last week
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man, you are really ignorant issit?

maximum additional investment per person is capped at 20k on the day they released the fund

if not, those millionaire and billionaires already dump all their money by 9am when the counter starts to open... smile.gif
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post Jul 13 2013, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(nelanga @ Jul 9 2013, 10:52 AM)
i did yterday at post ofce, and suddenly the staf give salam to me and smile..
and thumb up for my saving asb.  blush.gif

http://brunialamira.blogspot.com/
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1,500
1,501
1,502
1,503
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1,599

i see what you are doing there... laugh.gif

good way to remember
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post Jul 17 2013, 09:22 AM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 08:42 AM)
Wanna ask u all..

I'm saving up to RM1.5k per month in ASB but not in one lump sum. The following will explain :-
01.xx.13 = RM500 --> from my salary.
08.xx.13 = RM800 --> other source of income.
26.xx.13 = RM200 --> balance of my salary.

My question is, should I wait till 26.xx.13 every month to put one lump sum into ASB account?

Thanks.
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depends on you. if you are rajin and the bank is near, no prob

as long as you deposit before the 1st of each month so you can take advantage of the dividend paid for the additional sum next month.
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post Jul 17 2013, 09:38 AM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 09:27 AM)
i see.. thanks ya.. becoz some people say the dividend is based on the lowest $$ that you put in on that particular month..
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yes, you are correct. the dividend is based on the lowest balance for that particular month


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post Jul 17 2013, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 04:52 PM)
so based on the above scenario (i gave earlier) does my dividend is based only on RM200 or the whole RM1500?
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lowest balance =/= lowest deposit transaction

later tonight i explain a bit more

now is iftar time!!!
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post Jul 17 2013, 09:22 PM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 08:42 AM)
Wanna ask u all..

I'm saving up to RM1.5k per month in ASB but not in one lump sum. The following will explain :-
01.xx.13 = RM500 --> from my salary.
08.xx.13 = RM800 --> other source of income.
26.xx.13 = RM200 --> balance of my salary.

My question is, should I wait till 26.xx.13 every month to put one lump sum into ASB account?

Thanks.
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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 04:52 PM)
so based on the above scenario (i gave earlier) does my dividend is based only on RM200 or the whole RM1500?
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okay.

let's use your scenario above

let's say you have a balance of RM10,000 in your ASB as of 30/6/2013

on 01/07/2013, you add in RM 500
on 08/07/2013, you add in RM 800
on 26/07/2013, you add in RM 200

and let's say the dividend is 8%

based on my experience and confirmation from ASB officers, your July dividend will be counted as:

JULY: lowest balance on 01/07/2013: RM 10,500 * 0.08 / 12 = RM 70.00
AUGUST: lowest balance on 01/08/2013: RM 11,500 * 0.08 / 12 = RM 76.67

hopefully that gives you a clear image on what it meant by "dividend based on the lowest balance in the month"

bonus is an entirely different thing. it is based on the lowest balance of the year x 10 years average

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post Jul 17 2013, 10:31 PM

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QUOTE(natzakaria @ Jul 17 2013, 10:29 PM)
Thanks for the info.

Now in a different scenario.
Say in July he took out RM 5,000 but replaces it a few days later with another RM5000 - what happens?
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then the dividen will be based on the lowest balance, which is RM 5,500 wink.gif
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post Jul 17 2013, 10:51 PM

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QUOTE(j.passing.by @ Jul 17 2013, 10:50 PM)
rclxub.gif I'm puzzled...

This is my understanding....

"lowest balance of the month" would means that the dividend would apply to the opening balance of the month.
Any additions within the month will not be taken into account; but any withdrawal will be taken into account.
Based on the previous example of opening balance of rm10,000 on 30/6/03:
The calculation for dividend at the end of July would be based on rm10,000.
Since at 12:01 am 1/7/03, the opening balance is rm10,000.

rm500 deposited on 1/7/03 will not be taken into account.

But if there is a withdrawal, say rm5000, the calculation for the dividend will be based on rm10,000 - rm5000 = rm5000.

But if there is a combination of deposit and withdrawal of the same amount, that's a good question. Based on the "lowest balance of the month" basis, it should be rm5000. Any deposits during the month is not accounted for.
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you're confusing yourself

based on ASB officer's feedback, the 1st of each month is considered as "grace period"

perviously, the grace period was up to the 7th day of the month


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post Jul 17 2013, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 10:50 PM)
Can a mualaf open ASB account?
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if he / she has bumiputra status, yes

my mom has one. it was one of the special rights for sarawakian. there's a few criteria for this, one of them is being able to converse in bahasa sarawak
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post Jul 18 2013, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 17 2013, 11:12 PM)
How abt without bumi status?
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w/o bumi status, you can't.

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post Jul 18 2013, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 18 2013, 08:47 AM)
But in ASNB website written can..
http://www.asnb.com.my/eligibility.htm

S2 Siapa golongan minoriti?
Golongan minoriti adalah satu golongan yang telah mendapat kebenaran khas dari Perdana Menteri untuk melabur dalam semua unit amanah yang diuruskan oleh ASNB iaitu:

Siam
Portugis / Eurasian / Serani
Mualaf / Beragama Islam tetapi bukan Bumiputera
Nota : Golongan ini mendapat kebenaran melabur dalam semua skim ASNB kecuali bagi skim yang mempunyai pecahan Bumiputera dan bukan Bumiputera (skim ASW 2020) ianya dikategorikan sebagai Bukan Bumiputera.
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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 18 2013, 08:55 AM)
Just called ASNB, mualaf can invest in ASB. Just need to bring IC and kad peluk islam.. kawtim.. better do at pejabat ASNB.
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wow... new info for me. thanks smile.gif
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post Jul 18 2013, 12:45 PM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 18 2013, 12:38 PM)
Managed to open ASB just now.. Oh yeahhh
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congratz man. at least i learned new info today

are you a chinese or indian convert?
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post Jul 20 2013, 04:52 AM

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QUOTE(navink @ Jul 20 2013, 12:43 AM)
I got two ASB accounts now. Should I split the savings into two accounts or concentrate one account to reach 200k?
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makes no difference bro, since both will have the same dividend payout

but concentrate on one first so you can benefit from the bonus in the long run (very minimal impact also)
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post Jul 20 2013, 11:26 AM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Jul 20 2013, 11:12 AM)
bro, can you explain bonus payout..

say account opened in December 2012, dump in 100k.. no additional amount after that.. how much will i earn on January 2014 for dividend and bonus?
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bonus is calculated based on the "lowest balance of the year" and is averaged for 10 years

let's say the bonus is 1.15%

based on your scenario, since your lowest balance for year 2012 = rm 0, and your lowest balance for 2013 = RM 100k (assuming you didn't take out any sums in 2013), then your bonus payout should be:

(RM 100,000 + 0 + 0 + 0 +0 + 0 + 0 + 0 +0 +0) / 10 years * 1.15% = RM 115.00

i can be wrong, but let others check too. i know my 2013 bonus is just 0.4% of my last balance in 2012. my dividend is a healthy 7% average. (my acc was almost zero due to stupid young blood rush spending in 2005)

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post Jul 20 2013, 11:43 AM

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i can't find official source from PNB on the calculations, but this guy has a slightly different version, but still results almost the same (maybe 0.05% difference)

http://www.irwan.my/how-to-calculate-asb-dividend-and-bonus/

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How to calculate ASB dividend and bonus

Many of us get confused when they received ASB yearly statement. So with some help from Cari.com.my forumers, I have compiled the way to calculate ASB dividend and bonus.

Calculating Dividend

ASB dividend is computed monthly but it will be distributed annually. Let say PNB have declared that this year dividend rate is 7%. This is how to calculate your dividend:

monthly dividend income= 0.07 / 12 x minimum balance
Annual dividend income ( this will be shown up in you balance) = sum of monthly dividend for that year

Calculating Bonus:

Bonus is given to minimum monthly bonus for the past 10 years (120 months). Bonus will be most beneficial to those who have been saving for at least 10 years. Let’s say ASB bonus is 2% this year.To calculate Bonus:

monthly bonus = 0.02/120 x minimum monthly balance

When i said monthly balance, it is not this year’s months only, but including the months’ from the past 10 years.
this year bonus = sums of monthly bonus for the past 120 months

Example: Let’s say that you just invest for 4 years (48 months) and your average monthly balance for the past 48 months is $1000. So the bonus will be 48 x ( 0.02/120 x 1000) = $8

So that’s how to calculate the bonus and dividend for ASB. Any correction and question please put in the comment section below. t


he also have a cool ASB calculator that you can use.

http://www.irwan.my/asb-calculator-v3/
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post Jul 20 2013, 12:03 PM

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QUOTE(mytaffeta @ Jul 20 2013, 11:59 AM)
which mean if your account already 10y/o then only u get exactly 1.15% as bonus?  shocking.gif
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and if you can maintain the balance high

that's why when PNB declares dividend = 7%, bonus = 1.5%, don't assume return rate = 8.5%

that's a large misconception and many people got it wrong. even banks offering asb loans advertised it cheekily
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post Jul 20 2013, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ Jul 20 2013, 12:02 PM)
Hello!

Received all my official letter regarding ASB loan last week. Funny when I revised back their compulsory document, it said that payslip is needed but I don't provide any since not working yet laugh.gif

Anyway, after I registered and linked my ASB account to Maybank, it mention as Active. Means all system good to go now?

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that's good. it means they have processed the loan. just the paper documents will be on their way.

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