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Simulation SimCity (2013), MY and SG will have access 11PM tonight.

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post Jan 27 2013, 02:24 PM

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QUOTE(xXAgent47Xx @ Jan 27 2013, 02:15 PM)
It's not because of origin/steam thing. It's more about I want to play it offline and build the numerous regions. My simcity 4 cities are located in large sprawling regions, filled with cities and farmlands and the sort with the occasional planes and freights moving around. This (SC4) is the simcity that I want and due to poor connection that I have at times, the always online drm will be detrimental to me.
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I don't think we have seen everything yet though. Lets hope the open beta will convince most of the players to buy it.
Closed beta wasn't really that good to begin with as it's probably a pre-beta product.
I am worried at the game not being big enough other than that i'm fine.
If you didn't know we could control other region as well if you want.
You could also control friends region if he is a way and not active.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 01:40 PM)
Pretty sure those who say they are not gonna buy this, will still buy it in the end. There isn't much city simulation games being created forcing most gamers who love it to buy it. If people hate origin that much, things on origin has changed, I don't see why people love steam that much but hates origin. It's the effing same thing, and I use both.

Since the fan base is huge i'm sure that EA/Maxis will provide us with offline features in the future.
They are pushing people to buy this games and preventing this game from being pirated.
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nope. mods will destroy their abilities to shower their customers with cosmetics DLCs.

this is EA. so online all the time so no modding capability.

this is not Take Two, nor sid meier team anymore.
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post Jan 27 2013, 02:25 PM

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Should I pre-order or wait for official release? hmm.gif
Not convincing to buy, the playable map is too small rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 01:40 PM)
Pretty sure those who say they are not gonna buy this, will still buy it in the end. There isn't much city simulation games being created forcing most gamers who love it to buy it. If people hate origin that much, things on origin has changed, I don't see why people love steam that much but hates origin. It's the effing same thing, and I use both.

Since the fan base is huge i'm sure that EA/Maxis will provide us with offline features in the future.
They are pushing people to buy this games and preventing this game from being pirated.
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also nope.

like DmC, high priced AAA games usually only being bought by hardcore fans, not casual who balked at spending more than $10.00 for any game.

so like DmC, probably suffer poor sales due the developers perceived as screwing the fanbase for trying to court casual buyers.


for city simulations, there are anno 2070 and tropico 4 after all. cool2.gif
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QUOTE(rockpoper @ Jan 27 2013, 02:25 PM)
Should I pre-order or wait for official release? hmm.gif
Not convincing to buy, the playable map is too small rclxub.gif
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I am waiting for the GOTY simcity (2013) package with all dlcs include with 75% discount.

so probably next christmas biggrin.gif
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post Jan 27 2013, 02:36 PM

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QUOTE(rockpoper @ Jan 27 2013, 02:25 PM)
Should I pre-order or wait for official release? hmm.gif
Not convincing to buy, the playable map is too small rclxub.gif
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There is no pre-order bonus. But there is a limited edition version and also the digital deluxe version which has extra content. You can wait if you have doubts about the game.


QUOTE(Sethmaster @ Jan 27 2013, 02:30 PM)
also nope.

like DmC, high priced AAA games usually only being bought by hardcore fans, not casual who balked at spending more than $10.00 for any game.

so like DmC, probably suffer poor sales due the developers perceived as screwing the fanbase for trying to court casual buyers. 
for city simulations, there are anno 2070 and tropico 4 after all.  cool2.gif
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You are that confident. Just wait and see the sales figures.
It's the same thing when people say about Diablo 3 having always on DRM.
Yet it sells 3.5 Million copies in 24 hours.
Sim has a lot of fanbase where all the casual people plays it even old ones.
Anno and Tropico on the other hand, doesn't have that large amount of fanbase.

I don't see new SimCity being an awesome game, but it is promising and something new.

This post has been edited by Rei7: Jan 27 2013, 02:37 PM
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post Jan 27 2013, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 02:36 PM)
There is no pre-order bonus. But there is a limited edition version and also the digital deluxe version which has extra content. You can wait if you have doubts about the game.
You are that confident. Just wait and see the sales figures.
It's the same thing when people say about Diablo 3 having always on DRM.
Yet it sells 3.5 Million copies in 24 hours.
Sim has a lot of fanbase where all the casual people plays it even old ones.
Anno and Tropico on the other hand, doesn't have that large amount of fanbase.

I don't see new SimCity being an awesome game, but it is promising and something new.
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diablo 3 have fantastic timing of that everyone who played the pirated Diablo 2 and 1 have grown up and now earned their own spending money.
most buy for that nostalgia with all their friends, which blizzard take advantage of.

simcity do not have that
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 02:24 PM)
I don't think we have seen everything yet though. Lets hope the open beta will convince most of the players to buy it.
Closed beta wasn't really that good to begin with as it's probably a pre-beta product.
I am worried at the game not being big enough other than that i'm fine.
If you didn't know we could control other region as well if you want.
You could also control friends region if he is a way and not active.
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I would also like to point out that tihs tweet says that you can only have 10 regions. Again, this is the limitations of having an always online drm due to the fact that all the stored saves are on their servers. What's more, I can't mess around with my city on what if scenarios like having a bloody tornado hit them and see how they would respond.

Quite a small number and since the regions itself are small, I won't be able to get the massive regions that I'm used to play around with.

This post has been edited by xXAgent47Xx: Jan 27 2013, 02:59 PM
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And when EA pull their server's plug... what you have left?
Online-only gaming is volatile, it's not going to stay long.
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post Jan 27 2013, 03:21 PM

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always online single player = NO buy, not even $1 USD.

till today I have yet to buy diablo 3.

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post Jan 27 2013, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(Sethmaster @ Jan 27 2013, 02:42 PM)
diablo 3 have fantastic timing of that everyone who played the pirated Diablo 2 and 1 have grown up and now earned their own spending money.
most buy for that nostalgia with all their friends, which blizzard take advantage of.

simcity do not have that
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Can I lol? Diablo first franchise was released in 1996 while SimCity was released in 1989. More nostalgia for SimCity if you ask me.
Plus the fanbase is not limited to SimCity, it is also attracting The Sims players which has more fanbase.

Probably around 8 of my friends are getting SimCity, and the reason I bought it is because everyone is playing it soon.


QUOTE(xXAgent47Xx @ Jan 27 2013, 02:57 PM)
I would also like to point out that tihs tweet says that you can only have 10 regions. Again, this is the limitations of having an always online drm due to the fact that all the stored saves are on their servers. What's more, I can't mess around with my city on what if scenarios like having a bloody tornado hit them and see how they would respond.

Quite a small number and since the regions itself are small, I won't be able to get the massive regions that I'm used to play around with.
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That is sad, guess it won't be enough for the hardcore fans.
I guess savegame is out of the question since this is more of a MMO type of game.


QUOTE(M1X @ Jan 27 2013, 03:16 PM)
And when EA pull their server's plug... what you have left?
Online-only gaming is volatile, it's not going to stay long.
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Only time will tell. I've played enough MMORPG to know this.
EA likes to close things down and i'm quite aware of that.
Even my most favourite games the Sims Online was shut down by EA.

The only thing I hope will happen is that an offline mode will be available in the future.
I know a lot of people are raging about the always on function, hopefully they will listen to the fans.
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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 04:00 PM)
Can I lol? Diablo first franchise was released in 1996 while SimCity was released in 1989. More nostalgia for SimCity if you ask me.
Plus the fanbase is not limited to SimCity, it is also attracting The Sims players which has more fanbase.

Probably around 8 of my friends are getting SimCity, and the reason I bought it is because everyone is playing it soon.

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I don't think you can comprehend that Diablo and Simcity are two diversely different games that catered to two different group of people with different demands.

Nevermind, i don't think arguing with you serve any more purpose as I can see that you already paid the pre-order.
Just enjoy your game smile.gif
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post Jan 27 2013, 05:02 PM

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Wonder why does the objects/texture blur out when I zoom in close?
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http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/01/11/simcity-...-always-online/

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QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 01:40 PM)
Pretty sure those who say they are not gonna buy this, will still buy it in the end. There isn't much city simulation games being created forcing most gamers who love it to buy it. If people hate origin that much, things on origin has changed, I don't see why people love steam that much but hates origin. It's the effing same thing, and I use both.

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I beg to differ, when I say I am not going to buy a game, so far I stick to my principles and did not buy the game.

Due to DRM I did not buy :-
1) Biohock 1,2 - GFWL
2) GTA 4 - GFWL + Rockstar Social Club
3) Mass Effect 1,2,3 - Origin, Securom, limited activations
4) Dirt 3 - GFWL
5) Anno 2070 - Uplay
6) Assassin's Creed - Uplay
7) Battlefield 3 - Origin
8) Batman A, ACity - GFWL
9) Sins of the Solar Empire Rebellion (not the first one) - Need STEAM - DUH!! vmad.gif
10) Diablo 3 - always online DRM
11) C&C 4- always online DRM
12) Starcraft 2 - need online activation, B.net account

.. and now Simcity 2013 due to its DRM. The only person or organisation who loses in the end is the developer/publisher, not me. There are so many other publishers and developers who listen to consumers like me.

As for EA providing offline feature in the future, so far has EA disable online activation or for that matter any always online DRM for that matter? If there is a game I would really love to know which game it is.

Till EA makes Simcity 2013 DRM-Free then I would gladly buy SC2013. Till then, I rather spend my time playing SC4.

QUOTE(Rei7 @ Jan 27 2013, 01:40 PM)
Since the fan base is huge i'm sure that EA/Maxis will provide us with offline features in the future.
They are pushing people to buy this games and preventing this game from being pirated.
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Games will be pirated nonetheless I got to admit. But I find it stupid to have such hash drms in place that punish the paying customer more than the pirates.

In fact now that THQ has bankrupt, it has occurred to me what will happen when it is EA's turn to do under? Will EA maintain the Origin servers? Can I still play SC2013 when EA is not around? The only reason I can still play THQ games like DoW 2 or Space Marine is the fact it relies on Steam rather than a custom service e.g THQnet. Then there is a question if Valve goes bankrupt, will steam be around then?

The last thing I want is for my physical disks to end up a coaster.

Also, someone brought up the fact that Diablo 3 had massive sales figures although the game had this always online DRM. The fact is that lots of Diablo 3 customers regret buying the game since the DRM is making them unable to play the game. Many swore never to buy another game which such DRM in place.

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post Jan 27 2013, 08:30 PM

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What happens when your internet temporary (like 5minutes) disconnects while playing these always-online games?
Such as SimCity2013 or Diablo3?
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QUOTE(paanjang16 @ Jan 27 2013, 06:04 PM)
Due to DRM I did not buy :-
1) Biohock 1,2 - GFWL
2) GTA 4 - GFWL + Rockstar Social Club
3) Mass Effect 1,2,3 - Origin, Securom, limited activations
4) Dirt 3 - GFWL
5) Anno 2070 - Uplay
6) Assassin's Creed - Uplay
7) Battlefield 3 - Origin
8) Batman A, ACity - GFWL
9) Sins of the Solar Empire Rebellion (not the first one) - Need STEAM - DUH!! vmad.gif
10) Diablo 3 - always online DRM
11) C&C 4- always online DRM
12) Starcraft 2 - need online activation, B.net account
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You got one wrong man, GTA 4 still have GFWL yes, but it removes Rockstar Social Club in the last patch as far as I know. BTW you look like a guy who oppose against DRM huh?? Well give you an example, Steam to date is the most successful DRM game distribution software around and Origin?? nah not so much.

To be true, DRM is an unavoidable thing in the future of gaming industry. IMO DRM is going to continue despite our protest but it was the only way to combat game piracy. Yes it was imperfect but we just have to accept the fate of it. Till now I have over 35 games on Steam and over 15 games on Origin (That includes BF3, AC3, Anno 2070, C&C 4 from your list) AND the always online DRM is not going to have an effect on me since I got Unifi.

Really people, despite the setbacks on the game, I still pre order the game and hopefully it was better than expected. As for DRM, we'll just see if EA is going to make us happy by having offline mode in their game, raging about EA with negative comments is not going to help.

P/S: SC 2013 was my first SC game lolz.
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Looks like I'll just explain the cycle of PC games.
- Game implemented with DRM and other limitations.
- Gamers and hard core fans and alike (We'll call them peers later) rage the developers and publishers.
- Peers oppose against the game.
- Peers stop buying and boycott the game
- Peers start blasting negative comments about it.
- Game released with DRM
- Sales increassed, profits goes into their pockets
- Warez group crack the game
- Warez group released the pirated game for free
- Peers download the pirated games
- Peers play the game for free same as legal players
- Publisher and developers have another reason why they have to implement DRM: piracy.

And it just goes on and on and on. That's how the PC gaming industry works now. :sigh:

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QUOTE(ysc @ Jan 27 2013, 08:30 PM)
What happens when your internet temporary (like 5minutes) disconnects while playing these always-online games?
Such as SimCity2013 or Diablo3?
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Tried the closed beta yesterday and when I was playing the game half way, the server was down, but I was able to continue the game until the 1 hours limit is finished.

For Diablo 3, it requires an always on internet connection, if for some reason disconnected, the game will be unplayable as well. I've played the game for 300 hours or so and had no problem in game. As long as your internet is stable everything will be alright.

QUOTE(richard1226 @ Jan 27 2013, 09:21 PM)
Looks like I'll just explain the cycle of PC games.
- Game implemented with DRM and other limitations.
- Gamers and hard core fans and alike (We'll call them peers later) rage the developers and publishers.
- Peers oppose against the game.
- Peers stop buying and boycott the game
- Peers start blasting negative comments about it.
- Game released with DRM
- Sales increassed, profits goes into their pockets
- Warez group crack the game
- Warez group released the pirated game for free
- Peers download the pirated games
- Peers play the game for free same as legal players
- Publisher and developers have another reason why they have to implement DRM: piracy.

And it just goes on and on and on. That's how the PC gaming industry works now. :sigh:
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My thoughts exactly! Guess we don't have a problem about DRM at all. Unlike those guys.
For me if there is no internet connection, i'll play some other games. It's not like I only have 1 system to play my games. I have a lot of options (PSV,PSP,3DS,DS,PS3) smile.gif
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