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post Dec 17 2014, 02:42 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 17 2014, 02:05 PM)
altan you can configure the firmware to invert end stop if you gave NO sensor/microswitch smile.gif
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Have not tried that but I have no plans to try it out. Maybe I will try it someday but I will be saving the proximity sensor for my next printer build. hmm.gif
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post Dec 18 2014, 11:02 AM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 17 2014, 02:49 PM)
you should, smile.gif example my mendelmax have auto level configured my Z endstop is configured normal triggered while normal setting should be Open smile.gif
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Will take note of that nod.gif

QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2014, 01:06 AM)
My 3d printed wade extruder's gear is not round enough till it slip.back to buying an extruder.
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The supplier 3D printer was probably not calibrated properly. Getting oval circles can be quite annoying at times. doh.gif
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post Dec 18 2014, 12:40 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 18 2014, 11:47 AM)
from time to time I'm getting oval when printing with my mendelmax, it due to dust collected by the linear bearing on X axis quite annoying sometime when you realize it while printing, so I always check my printer movement before print and spray some WD40 to the bearing to make it smooth again, this where IGUS bushing come along still haven't ordered mine yet

I'm going to the aluminium shop again this weekend need some 200x200 alu plate for my print bed as I just realized that those inductive sensor can only detect metal to work
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I heard WD 40 can cause more problems to your bearing because its removes rust but if left as it is, the rust particles gets clogged up in your bearings and cause long tern wear. My recommendation is to wipe off any remaining WD40 and add proper lubricant like lithium/white grease to the bearings.

About Igus, so far I have not received any samples from them and its been about a week ago since my sample request. doh.gif

My advice when getting aluminum plate is to get them as thick as 6 mm or more because aluminum sheets that are too thin tend to bent at certain areas. I tried aluminum foil and aluminum sheet of about 0.5 mm and glue them to thick acrylic plates but the leveling was horrible because some parts were uneven.

Also if you use glass as a heating surface, you might have a problem with proximity sensors because they only trigger at a height of 4 mm from the surface of aluminum. So your glass sheets has to be thinner than 3 mm for it to work, the 1 mm gap is a safe margin preventing the sensor from hitting your print.


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post Dec 18 2014, 01:10 PM

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QUOTE(edmunz @ Dec 18 2014, 12:58 PM)
its cheaper to buy one than build one. not to mention firmware maturity should be seriously consider
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Hello and welcome to the reprap forum where all 3D printer enthusiast are discussing about 3D printers. We also double as 3D printer support group in Malaysia as well... tongue.gif

Buying a 3D printer is one way to go if you have the cash to splurge because most printers that are available in the market are at least RM 1.5k and above, including shipping and taxes.

Here is a good link on price comparison of 3D printers and repraps alike that are available: http://www.3ders.org/pricecompare/3dprinters/
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post Dec 18 2014, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 18 2014, 02:04 PM)
it open on Saturday but not sure on sunday

@edmunz

my kossel alt 20x20 cost me less than RM1000 kossel mini diy kit should cost around 1.8k, buy one you mean ready to print assemble? that would cost 5k or more smile.gif, so far marlin (ramps firmware) are good enough as those commercial printer  flex.gif  brows.gif
4-5 mm is thick enough for aluminium, I work with 3mm alu plate it a nightmare to bend let alone 5mm thick I use them for a catapult carrier did not bend at all with 30kg of force smile.gif

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I suggested 6 mm because I would assume there will be some warping when the aluminum sheet heats up, especially for anything less than 3 mm. My Printrbot heated aluminum bed upgrade came with a 6 mm aluminum bed and I have yet to test for warping. The stock non-heated bed is a 4 mm aluminium bed and auto leveling on it seems good enough for PLA prints.

Nice catapult picture too icon_rolleyes.gif

This post has been edited by altan: Dec 18 2014, 03:56 PM
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post Dec 18 2014, 04:12 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 18 2014, 04:06 PM)
my plan now is to reduce usage of heated bed, saving money for electricity bill lol, probably removing the heat bed for all PLA print
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True, without heater bed then you can same cost from electricity. nod.gif Also you don't need heater bed for any PLA blends like Ninjaflex since I manage to print with the stock bed.
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post Dec 18 2014, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 18 2014, 04:14 PM)
and also I can use smaller power supply smile.gif these 25a power supply are bulky without heatbed 5a is enough
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Yeah, you might want to bump up the amp by one or two more because as for my Printrbot, it could barely operate at 6A 12V china laptop power supply and its can sort of black out (correct term brown out) whenever it over heats on a hot day. laugh.gif
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post Dec 18 2014, 05:57 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 18 2014, 05:25 PM)
+1 notworthy.gif but I'm not going to start long lasting windows vs linux debate here as it will be endless smile.gif as I also made my living with linux  biggrin.gif , 3d printer firmware (open source) has come a long way ever since it started it mature enough for me smile.gif at least there are quite number of firmware available for 3d printer each of them have their own advantages
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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 18 2014, 05:31 PM)
Agree, let's keep it to 3d printer and don't open a can of worm.
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What matter most is that the technology is available right now to everyone and anyone can invest their time and money into it as a hobby or as a business opportunity.

Regarding firmware of a 3D printer, it depends on the preference of an individual and how compatible the firmware is to a controller board. A lot of start up 3D printing companies I have personally met rather develop their own propriety boards and firmware rather than sourcing it from larger companies due to licensing issues. Also, most of them have different designs and or features distinct from main stream printers, so a custom firmware is in need. Besides, no one will know which firmware will be loaded into a control board whether it may be open source or closed source. Also, its hard to differentiate the performance of a printer based on firmware because the hardware will still be the limitation.
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post Dec 19 2014, 08:13 PM

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QUOTE(mezerwi @ Dec 19 2014, 02:54 PM)
Any one have abs 1.75mm filament for sell?
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I can't recommend a local supplier because I never tried their filament.

You can try Qwikfab in Singapore and be sure to mention them about me. Who knows you might get a discount. whistling.gif
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post Dec 19 2014, 10:00 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 19 2014, 09:09 PM)
Yup yup Qwikfab. Dont know about their ABS tho. Using their PLA and its awesome for now.
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I have seen their ABS prints and they were great. thumbup.gif

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post Dec 24 2014, 10:48 PM

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QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 22 2014, 07:07 PM)
Guys...which 3d printer should a beginner go with?
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QUOTE(feiming @ Dec 23 2014, 09:03 AM)
Build or buy?
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Instead of buy or build, you can always get someone here with a printer to print your stuff. whistling.gif

But back to wnyeen question, frankly its not easy to use a 3D printer since not all of them are out-of-the-box ready and you might have to splurge on a bit of cash to get a more or less a decent one.

Try checking out this 3D hubs printer guide: http://www.3dhubs.com/best-3d-printer-guide

Printers for beginners aren't here yet but printers for a person who don't mind fixing it up from time to time are already out there.

QUOTE(marauderz @ Dec 23 2014, 10:23 PM)
Dude.. it's a teeny tiny spring, the envelope and postage would probably cost more than the stupid thing... Buy me coffee or something? heheh.
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I wonder what other uses those springs can do... hmm.gif


QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 24 2014, 10:27 PM)
Currently out of office but I did bring my printer back to my hometown. You can check out my signature below for the pricing but my printer will be busy until this weekend. tongue.gif
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post Dec 25 2014, 02:46 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 24 2014, 10:58 PM)
I can print but only PLA tongue.gif
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You can actually try out flexible filaments with your mendel and delta. I am printing flexible stuff without a heater bed but do note that the flexible material is about 2 to 3 times pricier than PLA. shocking.gif

QUOTE(marauderz @ Dec 25 2014, 01:23 AM)
As @altan has already mentioned, 3D Printing is not for the faint of heart yet.

I have the UP! Mini printer, which is one of the most user friendly retail printers out there, and still I had to go through months of experimentation, and some hardware tweaks before I can get it to print satisfactorily!! tongue.gif

You need to understand the hardships in owning one of these things. Heck when I saw this paragraph in the user manual I asked myself what did I get myself into

"Sometimes the printer head may be jammed and clogged, please disassemble it and then soak the nozzle in acetone for a day to clear it up"

I didn't even know how many screws held my print head together at that point!
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+1 marauderz

What you say is true, back then at first when I got my hands on a reprap 3D printer, I thought it reach a level in par with normal paper printers but after working with a reprap for a few weeks, I notice problems after problems of debugging hardware issues, software limitation and it was really time consuming. I was lucky to have tried out 3D printers at first because I didn't have to spend a few thousands of ringgit to experience these issues. Anwyay, it was a good learning experience for my current 3D printer and so far happily designing and printing my own stuff now. nod.gif

wnyeen I am not trying to sound discouraging but this is something anyone wanting to go into have to know before considering for a 3D printer. I think as a beginner going into this as a hobby, there isn't a printer that is "easy" to use yet and the best choice is to get a printer you can afford at less than RM 2K but willing to spend another 300 to 500 for tools, supplies and spare parts. Also, be sure to put in some of your free time in tinkering with the printer.
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post Dec 27 2014, 12:35 AM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 26 2014, 01:01 AM)
hey marauderz,

i'd like to give them a try. when can I buy you coffee and lunch? biggrin.gif
Btw altan are you available for printing? Had an extruder failure and in need of a replacement print. Don't have a spare to run the printer. Funny since the extruder failed when I was printing a spare extruder.
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Hey sure, send me a PM and let me know which parts needs to be printed. You can also COD with me since I am back in PJ. My printer will be available after this weekend because I am printing some stuff for an event.

QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 26 2014, 02:26 AM)
Mr blomker....pls pm best price for prusa i3...where else to get filament?
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You can get quality filaments from Qwikfab, they are based in Singapore and considering the MYR to SGD exchange rate, its about RM 100 tops. Be sure to mention them my name, and maybe you could get a discount. whistling.gif

QUOTE(cha.968 @ Dec 26 2014, 01:24 PM)
Don't mention it.
All questions on 3D-printing are welcome here, sifu altan and others are willing to offer the helps...  rclxms.gif
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Thanks for the compliment cha.968 but I'm sure the others and including yourself are sifus in 3D printing as well. smile.gif

QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 26 2014, 10:35 PM)
Im not in agreement with this. they aren't bringing in anything new to the market. They're importing Mini Kossel in large amount and reselling it here.

Plus, what is their main point of the Indiegogo campaign? Money to bring Kossel Minis here or funding to jumpstart their company Geekco?
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If you check blomker's kossel mini page at http://blomker.com/index.php?id_category=1...roller=category, its only RM 11 cheaper than the indiegogo site, though its not assembled.

Its good that more Malaysians are picking up an interest owning a 3D printer as they have mentioned in their campaign but taking it into a crowd funding side is pure and instant disaster. Just because they stated they "have successfully build a Kossel Mini" doesn't mean they can sell and deliver it well enough while sustaining their business.

They seem a bit too ambitious with their idea of making and selling something that is available for sale locally. I am not saying we should not support them but analyzing the key indications shows that their campaign is bound to fail right from the start.

I worked out some ball park calculations/analysis and it seems from their current position they will need at least 54 supporters for their campaign. Based on estimations for 54 sets, I don't think they can deliver the product in less than 6 months because there will be time used for purchasing (cutting machinery, vitamins, non-printable stuff, electronic/thermal/electromechanical components), cutting of parts (rods, threads, frame, etc), assembly, firmware programming, testing, and packaging. Also don't forget injection molding or the cheapest but unreliable way, printing the printable bits.

Say we take KLKS example "5 nights to assemble and tune" one Prusa by a single person. Imagine 3 person production team building 3 per week, that will take about 4 to 5 months excluding the other production consideration as stated above.

Also the amount they are planning to raise (USD 20k) and the "low" price tag are too low for the success of their plans. To summarize in 4 words: over ambitious, under confident.

Anyway, even if I am do build and sell printers, I wouldn't use crowdfunding as my main source of income. If someone thinks my printer is good, they can show their support through my printing service and that's more than encouragement for me.

Though its late, but Merry Xmas and Happy New Year! thumbup.gif

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post Dec 27 2014, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(KLKS @ Dec 27 2014, 06:27 PM)
Found a company near puchong which sells bearings/pulleys/rods/lead screws/steppers. Fast email response, they even called me to find out what I needed. Their prices for the shaft is comparable to those that are being sold on aliexpress, coincidentally I found this company on alibaba

They quoted me
- RM5 for LM8UU if <10pcs, RM4.70 if >10
- 8mm shaft 380mm length RM16.70
- 8mm shaft 320mm length RM14.00

I'm gonna pay them a visit next week, they do walk ins which is what i like smile.gif

Their website is http://www.letromec.com.my/ if anyone else is interested.
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Seems like a good recommendation.

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post Dec 27 2014, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(KLKS @ Dec 27 2014, 06:51 PM)
Me and a buddy are building our 2nd i3, think we are gonna need more than 1M, i might go check CMW out for rods since it sounds like its cheaper to get it there, i'll ask about the nema17 and report back.
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Also do ask on my behalf for nema 14 stepper and also ball screw with 0.5 or 1 mm pitch. Thanks icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Dec 27 2014, 10:02 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 27 2014, 09:51 PM)
Fuyo altan making reprap with ballscrew movement :
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post Dec 28 2014, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 27 2014, 10:23 PM)
Don't forget to send beta testing kit sini  rclxms.gif
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Lol, did not plan on making it DIY kit friendly tongue.gif

QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 27 2014, 10:31 PM)
How do u guys compare between prusa i3 and kossel mini ?
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This happen to someone who owns a Kossel before and its kind of my fault because I ask him why the delta printers work the way they do and he was unable to answer that biggrin.gif

Anyway aside that, Delta printers are more space efficient compared to Cartesian printers but the trade off is it can get unstable with the tall design which causes the frame to wobble during prints. So to circumvent that problem, you may need to use a much heavier base and solid frame.

For cartesan printers, its more rigid from the cuboid/cubic frame but it takes up a heck lot more space on your desk.

In my opinion as a beginner, a prusa should be a good start because it represents minimalistically the necessary components needed to build a printer.

QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 28 2014, 09:48 PM)
Speaking of which. How's is the plastic linear bushing that we were talking about a few weeks back? did you get the sample altan?
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No response. You can try your luck at Igus, these guys don't care for small orders or even give samples. shakehead.gif


QUOTE(marauderz @ Dec 28 2014, 09:58 PM)
The theory is that the Kossel prints faster because of the way it moves.

To me it just looks unique in it's design. tongue.gif
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It prints fast only if it has Bowden extruder, I doubt it can do good prints when a heavy stepper motor is attached to the carriage.

Agree with the uniqueness, it has that SciFi sort of look thumbup.gif

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post Dec 29 2014, 01:21 PM

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QUOTE(wnyeen @ Dec 29 2014, 12:14 AM)
Thx...I think I'll go for kossel mini...haha...
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Good luck with your build! thumbup.gif

QUOTE(izzudinhafiz @ Dec 29 2014, 12:38 AM)
I might build a Kossel mini in the future. Need to find some money first. Stepper motors are quite expensive.
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One suggestion, start a 3D printing service with your Prusa tongue.gif
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post Dec 29 2014, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(DarkTenno @ Dec 29 2014, 05:42 PM)
Thanks, We still waiting for water to drop to safe level current we are still on high alert, my father house 100% under water can't even see the rooftop anymore, I'm currently volunteering with JPAM and Bomba for relief and rescue and we all hoping for water to calm but as I'm writing this we have water raise rate at 5 meter 10 meter per hours yawn.gif, phone line like biscuit sometime have sometime no signal smile.gif
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Sorry to hear about the flood affecting your family. Hope the weather improves as soon as possible.
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post Dec 30 2014, 12:43 PM

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QUOTE(sooyewguan @ Dec 30 2014, 11:27 AM)
Looks like a lego kinect set... rclxms.gif

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