Sick, this thread is moving fast...

Good Luck, I heard many place was sold out today. Hope they still have stock there or new stock arrives.
I've check with Avaxx, they said there is limited units, and I also confirm with Nokia Representatives, it's limited. They're not keen really keen on selling this, fully focus on Lumias.

So for whoever who really wants the 808, should consider it.


As the info I got today, from the Nokia Reps (not sales), there will only be black and white.
Well, unless they decided to bring in for later batch (if there is enough demand?) I don't know.

Or wait for AP?

No... it's all about Lumia.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 8 2012, 11:58 PM

Careful with cut version, if there's uneven or sharp parts, it can easily damage the sim reader in the phone.... and... you will need to change the whole board.
It's a BIG and EXPENSIVE risk for some low cost replacement SIM.

Apps is apps.
OS is OS.

iOS is more of a media OS; it's primary advantage is the apps availability.

OS wise, for people who are looking for a true smartphone OS, iOS and WP doesn't live up to it as they're very restricted, full of limitations, etc. It's more of a media OS (e.g. iPod and Zune). Windows Phone has moved away from Windows Mobile, it's turned into a Zune Player (a media player like iPod Touch) based OS.
BUT, most people don't really care or need a true smartphone OS, all they care about is apps apps apps, and there is less lag and smoothness.

Android is proper alternative for Symbian owners as it's a proper smartphone OS. Symbian is one too, just that it's lacking apps. In fact, Symbian has better contacts management, proper 3G video calls, etc. In terms of smartPHONE OS, it's still a better one, IMHO. Plus, the homescreen is better as it support LANDSCAPE and PORTRAIT mode.

It needs to work on the notifications system, better integration (should learn from their Maemo/MeeGo OS), and most importantly, apps.
Oh and the display resolution and hardware support.

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Added on June 9, 2012, 11:56 pmI'm impressed with the camera smoothness and performance, the quick Auto-Focus, the smoothness of the zoom, it's not like conventional zoom with juddering feel, it's just smooooth.

I watch the video was surprise, then I tried it a Nokia Store, WOW, really smooth camera.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 9 2012, 11:56 PM

TOTAL Sensor size = 41MP
When you shoot in FULL RESOLUTION mode
16:9 format = 34MP
4:3 format = 38MP

Why not 41MP? Because the sensor is ROUND, not the typical sensor.
Typical sensor is rectangle, e.g. 4:3 format. When you choose 16:9, then you will loose some megapixel.
If you build the sensor to accomodate 16:9 format, then when you choose 4:3 format, you will loose some megapixel.
To get best of both worlds, Nokia designed a ROUND sensor, so both format can utilize the effective size.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 10 2012, 01:36 AM

Wow, you bought the 808 PureView? Cool!

Cannot really compare WP7 against Symbians or Androids. WP7 is a simple and basic OS, more like a media OS rather than a proper smartphone OS. It's full of restrictions and limitations, it very controlled, basic and simple, just lik iOS. Surely, something that you controlled very TIGHT and LIMIT what the user can do, you can easily achieve smoother and more reliable OS.
If you organize a concert, and you only allow one door for enter, you only need little manpower and it's very easy to manage; The problem is the customers have to suffer, but as the management, you can choose to not bother as long as you can easily manage the crowd.
If you open many doors, you need to have many manpower and harder to manage and control every part, but for customers, they suffer less and it's more convenient for them.

Not everyone can live with the limitations and restrictions of WP or iOS, for those who can, then it's good for them. The most important thing is, to understand the limitations and restrictions of WP, many people bought it and later found out they cannot live or accept the restrictions and limitations, end up selling it. There's no easy or good jailbreak method like iOS.

Symbian and Android is just in different league and level from iOS and WP. iOS and WP are very similar, both being a media OS, with similar characteristics, full of restrictions and limitations (no bluetooth file transfer, no file manager (totally no access to file system), no mass-storage mode, reliance of software to transfer ONLY media files (e.g. iTunes for Apple, Zune for MS), etc. These characteristic are simply not a proper smartphone OS, it's just like a media device (e.g. iPod Touch, Zune Player, Creative Zen, etc).


It's the same for the old iPhone. The reason they gave is so lame.
No need to focus, fast capture.
Well, with AF, you can switch to Landscape mode and you get similar EDOF capability... no need to focus.
Without AF, you have no option.

Based on current, I would say MS or WP pulled down Nokia. There's nothing wrong adopting WP, but why not multi-platform and get sales from other market? Nokia is loosing huge customer from their customers switching over to Androids and many of them would've stick to Nokia IF Nokia have an Android alternatives. But instead, they go single platform and expect all their customers to switch to WP. Worst yet, WP is not solely for Nokia, it's also provided by other manufacturer. Now, Nokia even need to compete with other manufacturer which are now more famous, namely Samseng. Unlike Apple, iOS is solely for them.
Nokia going single platform on this is really doesn't make much sense at all.

If Nokia had Android alternatives, Samseng and HTC woudn't have been able to climb so fast today. What was Samseng a year plus ago? And now? I was shock to see their business expanded rapidly and their service centre now looking more professional than Nokia; Back then, Samseng store looks just like a typical phone shop. Where is their customer from? Well, for one, Nokia lost a huge portion of their Symbian customers.

Imagine Nokia had PureView technology (or simply a very good camera like N8) for all 3 platforms, Android, Symbian and WP. They could've captured portion of their market and maintain many of their Symbian customers who wish to use Androids... This is the part I would say, not listening to their customers?

This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 10 2012, 12:27 PM

I think MS might bought it over first?
From the way it looks and how the "rumor has it", it's they're bringing Nokia shares down and then bought it over.
Rumor Rumor

True.

As for Lumia, you can't see very obviously how bad their sales and how slow the threads in LYN... Look at N8 back then... or just any other Nokia phones, even the so called cold platform Maemo/MeeGo, it still moves faster and more people talking about it despite less user.

Moreover, many people seems to be selling off their Lumia's as well. I believe most likely they cannot stand the limitations and restrictions, and there're so many great Androids nowadays. Imagine the humiliation when you can't even send a single file via bluetooth. How can MS not see this.... It's just a simple easy to implement feature, even the WP mobile guru in WP official site requested this feature since last year itself and so many people supported it, but nothing was done. WP motto is "Putting People First", but it doesn't seems to be the case here...

Yup, with Andriod/Symbian, we have choice to keep it simple, or customize it to our liking. There key point here is CHOICE. With iOS/WP, there is no such option, user are forced to accept and live with it. A smartphone being a mobile computing device with phone feature, these restrictions and limitations simply just does not fit or isn't not common/normal. Those are the characteristics of a media player device.

Anyway, for WP UI, it's has the web look and feel, I encounter a bug/error, and it throws a bunch of HTML codes. Then it hit me, it feels exactly like a web based OS, thus the 2D Flat Look and Feel.
Some may like the Metro UI, but I found many people find it plain and dull; While some may like it at first, but slowly they feel it's boring already. I guess for people who prefers simplicity might like it more; Just like some people prefer Matte look over glossy finish on cars, and the Matte look may be interesting for a while but later it will become boring.

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Added on June 10, 2012, 10:19 pmLoL, my side use it a lot, we have a lot of Samseng kia and Samseng poh =P
Many of them are from Nokia (aka PaiKia; Samseng vs PaiKia, lol)..... some switch to HTC, but now Samseng is gaining lotsa popularity. Most of them used to not liking Samseng brand, but look at Samseng today, very Samseng. =P


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 10 2012, 10:19 PM

Ranger not getting, they're not pushing 808, fully Lumia as Lumia is now their BREAD and BUTTER. Hence, why the cool treatment on 808, and most probably why it's priced higher than Lumia 900.
Anyway, not Rangers don't just get the units, there is challenge and they will only give out few units for those rangers who won the challenge.

Might be getting the 808, but in dilemma with N9. N9 is nice to use, with good sharing support (which I use mostly - can upload to specific FB album, choosing resolution/quality, removing metadata), and the social integration with FB, Skype... If the PureView comes with MeeGo, that'll be simple awesome, but MeeGo lacks on apps, much more worst than Symbian...

CEO give idea, usually, who dare to go against or vote against? I think the first thing these people need to do is to get out of their comfort chair and take a look at customer's demand and issue they're facing. I mean, how hard is it to not understand the important of bluetooth file transfer. Moreover, this is a long issue SINCE iPhone. Think of the humiliation the user have to suffer when he/she can't do this simple thing.
And talk about Smoke by Windows Phone, how about challenging who is faster to send file to another phone? WP will need to upload to SkyDrive or send through email, and then the other phone will need to go and download it from email or SkyDrive. Just how stewpid is that? Isn't this obvious enough, how come they cannot see it and still didn't implement such simple feature to user? Smartphone is suppose to make user life more convenient, moreover, WP motto "Putting People First". Whatever happen to that?
I just can say, I'm very glad the 808 PureView is NOT using WP. I believe many Symbian owners (especially N8) who still prefer the customization and flexibility are glad with this too, at least they still have a PROPER upgrade for their phone, and at the same time, Nokia able to maintain some of their Symbian customers before they jump to Androids.


There's no plan for RED color. But Avaxx did mention they're trying to bring it in. Maybe if there's enough demand? Or maybe wait for AP set?

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Added on June 10, 2012, 10:51 pmThe initial plan was MeeGo as high end device, a league/level higher than smartphone as it's a much more powerful/capable OS than the rest. But then... WP comes in.... and it has to make Nokia to only use WP, I have no idea why, while Samseng, HTC and the rest, who also has WP is also multi-platform and making money from each platform.

Nokia, now relying solely on WP, has to compete with the giant Samseng, HTC and others for WP phones. It's though, unlike Apple, which only they have iOS. Moreover, Samseng is now more popular, they have latest hardware and release fast. An extremely tough competition to Nokia.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 10 2012, 10:53 PM

Year End, pray still got, but AP should have I think, or second hand? Hehe

Avaxx seems trying to bring in more, but not sure Nokia Malaysia. If respond good, they should bring in more? Unless they really don't want to sell it?

Not sure how true is this; Can someone test out the dynamic range, compare Full Res VS PureView mode?

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/flow/item/1...iew_and_Dyn.php



This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 11 2012, 12:19 PM

Not sure how huge is it, but DSLR is also very huge, yet need to do HDR to achieve proper exposure which the camera can't yet the eyes can. I'm not talking about those artistic HDR, but natural HDR.
I'm wondering the PureView technology capability on achieving higher dynamic range as stated in the article, which is interesting.

Wait, which AP are you referring to?
I was referring to AP Set for the phone.

But have 24-70mm f/2.8G

? So many AP wor?
LYN phone seller mostly got choice for AP or Authorized set.
Some phones only got AP set because authorized set never launch here.

Anybody got ask what kind of tripod are they offering?

Seems not all Nokia Store offer the free gift, and Avaxx confirmed the stock that came in are without the Gorilla pod.
If it's those cheap normal tripod, free or no free also not important.

Under Creative Mode, there is 3 Custom Profiles (CP)
And seems only under Creative Mode you can choose the PureView and Full Res.

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Added on June 11, 2012, 5:46 pmI asked Avaxx, not coming in for bolehland. So I'm wondering those tripod given by Nokia Store is what kind of tripod.


This post has been edited by Andy214: Jun 11 2012, 05:46 PM