Wahh very cheap..? Can trust this seller..?

dunno, why not u be the first white mouse tehehehe

Bro, sorry to tell, you have to soundproof your rear floor until your rear boot...

wah, cheap leather wrapping... will it last for 10 years...hehe^^

1.6 and 1.3 still have different even cruising @ same 2500rpm, dun forget the extra 0.3L, fill with what? Air only ah? of course need more fuel ma... Unless it tuned for more leaner than 1.3 version, else the FC is still higher than 1.3 one...

For sport car, if the car have 6 or 8 pistons let say, it will definitely need more fuel @ same engine speed.

Easy theory, why FLX CVT RPM is alot lower than mine BLM MT, but it still consume around same FC @ highway? Dun forget @ 110km/h, CVT @ 2600rpm, while my MT need 3600rpm leh...

So, i agree if 1.6 have same or even better FC as 1.3 @ city drive, if @ highway @ same engine speed, NO.

This post has been edited by coolkwc: Mar 26 2012, 10:46 AM

the interior is crap.

I suppose that is right practically between a 1.3 and 1.6 saga, but the theory is not necessarily true.

A car rolling down a hill at 2,600 RPM due to engine braking, will consume less fuel than a car going up hill at 2,600 RPM, so the same 2,600 RPM does not mean fuel consumption is the same.

The idea behind a 1.6 being more fuel efficient is that due to it's larger displacement, it takes less energy (fuel) to sustain the engine at 2,600 RPM compared to a 1.3.

FC is affected by how large and how long your throttle stays open, not just the RPM.

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 26 2012, 11:32 AM

ah! this is what im looking for the description!

So you soundproofed yours and now no more fuel pump noise?

doesn't make sense to me. if put 5.0L engine into saga (other factors remain), it become super fuel efficient?

wan to sell my GAB springs. quit modding liao. anything pm me, dont reply here

This post has been edited by ericmaxman: Mar 26 2012, 12:42 PM

Of course not.

Imagine this:

a little kid pushing a 50kg crate up a slope - huff and puff the most, can hardly move, consumes more food, but he has little muscle mass, so the energy is not spent efficiently and turns into heat.

An adult pushing a 50kg up a slope - huff and puff too, but because his muscle mass is optimal, he is able to to use energy more efficiently.

A giant pushing a 50kg up a slope - uses his finger to push. But because he is massive, he consumes twice as much energy as a normal size adult just to sustain his body weight and muscle mass.

Now change the crate into a 500kg one, the little kid will die, the adult will die, and the giant will become the most efficient force to push it.

I dunno if this is a proper analogy, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment.

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 26 2012, 12:58 PM

Excellent explanation...but...an adult does require more food intake than child?

Yes, when not under load. Same reason why higher cc engine will consume more fuel in urban driving conditions than a lower cc. Even during idling a higher cc will consume more fuel.

When under load like the example above, the kid can eat and eat and eat but the energy is wasted simply because there is not enough muscle mass to convert the food into pushing force. He becomes less efficient than the adult.

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 26 2012, 01:05 PM

nice explanation

to my understanding, a larger engine consumes more fuel to do the same work (a giant and an adult both can push the 50kg crate, but the giant needs more foods to substain its size). but a larger engine is capable to handle and do a lot more work, produce higher hp and top speed (giant can push 200kg but adult cannot).

Now only I fully understand

dares is a car nutritionist

Hey I got the same prob. I sent to EON for a check-up but the sound is still there. More like clicking sound when I began to brake. Then when the car slows down, the knocking sound began to appeared. It really annoys me. At first I decided to just ignore but I scared it became worse and in the end leads to an accident. Luckily my car is still under warranty and I don't have to spend a penny. *sigh*

The key is efficiency. Given the same load, which engine will handle the load most efficiently (least amount of fuel for max amount of energy generated)

This post has been edited by dares: Mar 26 2012, 01:12 PM

woah!.. i though FC discussion is prohibited here
but for me saga still good in FC if your services your car accordingly..
1.3 or 1.6 same ler..only diff is 1.6 more power in low rpm values..

just my 2 cent

agree. normal driving smaller engine has better fc. always push the car to highspeed then larger engine probably gives better fc.