808 got nfc not?the tab 7.7 dont have it.

It's not a matter of supporting NFC. The whole design philosophy of Microsoft is to prevent any file transfer which bypass Zune. Unless this design philosophy change NFC or bluetooth is not going to help.

wifi hotspot on n9.i still haven't try it since day 1 get n9.will try it next week.

Is this official from Microsoft or some blogger's wishful hope? MS cutting out Zune will be a radical change in WP design. I don't see MS doing this unless they are really desperate.

All companies want to prevent piracy. But doing it in such a way that it greatly inconvenience ordinary users is worse and has contributed to consumer rejection of WP. Don't ask why Apple can do it and MS can't. Some can and some can't.

File System yes;
I don't find any reasonable nor logical explanation for sending photo over bluetooth.

But then, MS should know better about preventing piracy; If so, they would've done the same to their Desktop Windows. It's just so not MS.
What they did to the phone, it makes it like a those specific controlled media player device which only allows you to do something, such as going to their proprietary software. This doesn't make it a smartphone anymore, perhaps these type of device needs a new category.
If a mobile computer with added phone functionality is called a smartphone.
Then they should give a new name for multimedia device (like iPod, Zune) with added phone functionality a new name/categor, like mediaphone or something.

this is sad, after like 10 days PR1.2 is released, the bugzilla is closed
http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/B...ed-for-new-bugs

What use is a phone if you can't hear properly the phone calls, no matter how good are the other stuff. May be I should just stick with N8.

808? Hehe...

Actually got, N9 got the N9 Ninjas ma, you didn't go hunt them? I like the Shuriken, and you can also get a chance to win the Nokia N9, and upon collecting your Shuriken, you will be greeted by a hot chick in sexy outfit. Ooops... I mean, she is holding a beautiful N9 and ask you to try it.

The Lumia may receive even harder marketing because Windows Phone will be their primary OS now, so they need to get attention and people to experience and like it.
N9 they only need it when they launch to get it sell up to at least their target I suppose.
It's a business after all, but N9 is a good device; Personally, I don't simply recommend to anyone blindly, it depends on what they need and want and will they be satisfied and enjoy the device.

Right now, Windows Phone is inevitable, Nokia already go down this path. Only thing is, can Nokia change MS mind to make their OS less restrictive, more flexible and customizable? With current restrictions and limitations, my personal opinion, I believe it will greatly impact many Nokia loyal customers, although they may gain new along the way. Is it worth the risk?
Why not maintain the old as much as possible while gaining new (not to mention more)?

I remember the N9 ninja got me excited a bit. U have no idea how much shuriken i've been collect.. lolz

I've seen many SGS2 / iphone user is originally from angry & disappointing Nokia user, no doubt Nokia has better build quality & camera stuff. But the OS i can tell is a piece of shit. I remember N97 era is the worst strategy that Nokia did, lousy symbian OS ever done, full of lag & everything. That time apple came out with the iphone, the OS icon attracts a lots of attraction, ppl start to jump ship, few years back android doing good too, & ppl jump ship again. And yet Nokia doesn't understand what user wants, perhaps the company is too big, a lots of decision have to approve by many layers.

Not long ago we've see MeeGo, it brings new hope to the mobile industry in terms of usability, then came out with this worthless elop come & kill it. Implement the WP7 drop the phone usability to almost zero. So are they forcing the remaining loyal Nokia customer to jump ship as well?

To be honest, i have tried WP7 for some time & trying to build some supporting apps, WP7 really only nice to look at it, but in terms of usability & connectivity that's really bad. So far if u ask me, I never seen any other OS with good usability come close to Meamo & MeeGo. sigh...

Young ppl, that is, teens and 18-24 age bracket very hard to win over. To them, its Iphone or Samsung. Nokia is for their mums and dads, use Nokia dont look cool. Use WP7 Nokia with so much limitations, even less cool. Microsoft need to face the fact that they cannot do what Apple did,that phase is over. Iphone have loyal fans who will stick to iphone no matter what, other brands who want to use simplicity as a selling need to be different.

In short, with Windows Phone requirements, restrictions and limitations, it will give current smartphone users (iPhone exlcuded) many problem, mainly file transfer, reliance on Zune and the customization/flexibility.

Many loyal Nokia users who not use the computer, not to mention internet or even email, how to make them transferring files (photos/videos/music and PodCast ONLY) to PC which requires Zune? Zune requires Windows XP SP3 or newer.

Also, windows Phone requires a WIndows Live ID.

First, these loyal users need to get through this; Then, they need to get through the fact that it cannot send files through Bluetooth. Try and tell people these and see what's their reaction. It's pretty obvious. What's more, there's no BACKUP feature so far.

So, do i need to compare these "features" with any other OS now?

WP7 is trying to follow Apple, not differentiate the market. They need to come with sthing Iphone dont have.
Symbian/Meego still can, due to Sd card slot, usb n the go/mass storage, bluetooth, with reasonable pricing. Nokia still hv following in Asia, these aspects must have. This way, wouldn't drive away the loyal users, who in turn may decide to buy Nokia phones for their kids. Nokia may be uncool but its the parents who have the buying power.
The best marketing is satisfied user - if parents like Nokia, they will buy or pass on their Nokia phones to the kids. Kids,being still in school, what parents buy, just use lor. Then, if they like it, start of new loyal customer.....
Thats the purpose of those lower priced phones.

Now they try attract youngsters, if in Asia, can say fail. Then worse, piss off the loyal customers, lose lose situation. Microsoft not effected so much, they can cut losses and move on just like that

Depends on ppl yes iPhone have hell a lot limitation but they slowly improving it step by step but if u ask me to get newer iOS it's just plain boring from iPod touch 1st gen till now everything looks the same. I just a iPhone 4s but at thend I still prefer a wp7. I upload to Flickr or skydrive within seconds.

Easy to answer your question, ppl jumping ship is because ppl rather have restriction on their phone than Symbian lag, apps crash all the way, they cannot tahan with the restarting / waiting stuff. That's y iphone smoothness attracts them, they trade off with their usability & freedom with the OS smoothness.

Of coz further more, as the time goes by android & iphone already develop a strong market, with so much application & games supported, who will remember iphone sux in camera, sux in durability and sux with Bluetooth transfer? Nokia, still meeting with all the layers wondering what to do next, but they don't realize whats is their strongest part. In fact, they canot market their strong part to the world but hire some Microsoft idiot to make their situation worst.

By the time they come out with MeeGo, iOS & Android market already in mature state, most of the ppl who jump ship never bother to come back to Nokia. And elop kills MeeGo too, so any reason to come back Nokia? ofc no...

Situation 1: You have a iPhone? wow cool~~~
Situation 2: You have Nokia? wow, what century are you living? lol

To be honest, these brainwashed marketing strategy makes Nokia have no place to stand in the market.

Owning N950 can consider pride for me i guess.. 

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Lumia launch in Malaysia, ppl line up for the beat headphone only, the next hour i started to c ppl selling them to LYN to make profit. I ask them, they not even know how to use lumia phone.

See these Malaysian attitude?? Wat a joke, marketing joke & profit seller joke...

Since N9 is being abandoned, I just hope they will sell it to me super cheap....say....half price? LOL

Those loyal Nokia users switched to Iphone cos of smoothness, apps and its popular. Old uncles and aunties  dont use internet much, some dunno how set up emails in phone. IPhone is to make calls, sms,apps. Not say uncles and aunties, some younger ones also dunno(25 to 40 yr old)

True also that kids pass old phones to parents to use, thats y the parents abuy one that they themself know how to use, lol. Btw,all these based on actual study done. Of course I understand that KL youngsters more canggih than Melaka lah,keke

There are still loyal Nokia users who still stick to them, if they focus on WP only with its current restrictions,is like purposely driving away the  loyal customers. Super duper hard to get back customer in US, Iphone too deeoly entrenched there liao. Same time piss off old customers, lol, really funny. Later new customer tak dpt, old one run away.

The main question, how many people actually use it or utilize it? It cannot be customize, so it's useless to many and it's annoying when you can easily accidentally pressed it on the Lumia 800 which is not a hardware button, you'll occasionaly meet Mr. Bing on and off, "Oh Hello Bing? You again?"
But not everyone uses the low end devices, many of them still using high end Symbians despite they don't utilizes it, mainly for the higher spec, display, design, camera, etc.
Example: My uncle uses the N8, but he doesn't surf net, he doesn't have data plan, he doesn't connect the phone to the PC. But he does take photo and transfer files to his friends or relatives. He's been an all time Nokia user.
If Windows Phone failed him and no more options, where to go? Now think about many other of these users.
Some may be able to adapt, but how many?
BUT, luckily and thankfully the 808 PureView will still be running the Symbian...

In fact a BBC report says researchers have determined that Apple products excite the same areas of the brain in their fans as religious imagery does in the faithful. Go figure.

After 1.5 years of existence WP7 achieved a 1.9% global market share. Bada was launched only a few months before WP7 and despite being a badly managed os produced by only one manufacturer it has beaten WP7 with 2.2%. So why did Nokia take on this loser and tie the fate of the whole company to it?

I should say - drive away those who dont use Iphone anyway. Loyal Nokia users who didnt jump ship to Iphone due to the restrictions would not jump to WP7. We hv stick with Nokia thru all the hu ha of iphone, one of the reason is less restrictions. Those who already jump to iphone most likely will stick to iphone, more apps. Those who already jump to Android most likely would not like the restrictons. From nokia to android then back to nokia symbian belle, they still can accept, symbian faster now.

As long time Nokia user, I cannot accept if they solely use WP7. Some more market it without considering customer needs of Asia region, like saying we all not important. Only western market,Us market important, Asia market only for cheapo S40 phones. This one is like driving away customer lor
like the n9 not sold in some countries, ppl there say like purposely want shove Lumia down their throats. So, as you know, they go buy online the n9,and very pissed with Elop

What search key on Android?
Android have "Back", "Home" and the third one is not search key, it's a Menu key, which I find it much more useful and wanted it on the Windows Phone.
On the Windows Phone, you have to press the "..." at the bottom right, if there is not "..." means no options and you're stuck, means there's nothing you can do there. I feel this many times, even my friend who review it, looking for the menu, then I said here no menu.

Simple; People want the latest or new. Symbian is old. These people I would classify as "wants" not "need" or doesn't understand or know better, or simply, wants a reason to bash the 808 PureView.
They didn't exactly state reasons for using Windows Phone OS or why is it better, their comments is mostly plain and blant.

No idea how it will look and how it will work; but I still doubt it because there's no reason to drop MeeGo or other OS, it seems more like there's something else going on.
Yunno, when Elop joins and there're already rumors, and when he kills off one by one and announce WP, the rumors become more accurate. Infiltrate and attack from the inside.. and then....
Who knows, just rumors.

If they drop it, I think it's proven it's pretty useless, LoL.
My friend using HTC, I checked with him, he also never use it.
It maybe personal preference, but I think majority may find it useless, thus it's better to allow user to customize.

Not sure if it's Symbian, but even my friend's who's been using the Milestone since it first launch, when he use the Windows Phone, in some screen, he was asking how to get the menu/option. There's no such button, have to look for "..." at the bottom right of the screen.

Anyway, among all the phones I used, I never really have any problem; except this Windows Phone, because I really find the search key, not really useful and since it's not a physical hardware button, it's easily accidentally press. The Lumia 710 is physical button, so you may not experience it so often; on the Lumix 800, if your hand just slip or accidentally "molested" it, then "Hello Bing!"

For Windows Phone, probably the Menu button is useless in the Live Tiles screen (but actually it can be useful when they allow user to customize the Live Tiles more, user can hit the menu button and  access the menu options).
In many other screen, the menu/option is very useful, I've been using it on the Android, whether viewing photo, in FB app, or whatever. There's no "..." button hidden on the bottom right like Android. So I don't think it's a Symbian thing.
If you're viewing a photo in FB app, and you want to access option, in Windows Phone, you have to see whether there is this "..." sign on the bottom right. With most other phones, you use the menu/option button; There is usually nothing on the screen.

As I said, it's a personal preference, whether on screen on or hardware key, it's just a matter of getting used to, just like iPhone only have 1 button to rule them all, and N9 have button-less.
I have no problem with N9 anyway, but why Windows Phone? Because I find the Search button hardly use by many; If given choice, I rather customize it to another usage; I want search, I can add a shortcut in the Live Tiles, which I think many might prefer, but I doub't they wouldn't even bother to put in the Live Tiles.

it actually has the DLNA support, but i dun have any subject to test on it. In fact it has the video support too.. I not sure about N9, but N950 has the video support already

Haha, I guess it's because the button is not physical, it's on the display itself, so you can easily accidentally "molested" it while using and Mr. Bing will come and find you "You call me again?"
Even my friend testing the phone, he also accidentally called Mr. Bing, lol.

It can take some time to get used to and when it happen less, it'll be less irritating; possibly starting to miss Mr. Bing also that time, hahaha

i got Flash (yeterday) and Firefox (today) update

erm...let said i put a mp3 song for my sms tone, when there is a message, the ringtone will only play for a brief moment only after that it will auto fade to no sound at all even i did nothing on it......i wonder....and for the screen lock...erm...every time i left it for a moment...it will autolock the screen....need to double tap the screen or press the power button..found it quite annoying few times..haha

haha...okok..thanx a million for the info btw....