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 Nokia N9 - V03 - [Fluidity King For Nokia], Let~~~ SWIPE~~~ all~~~ the~~~ way~~~

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post Mar 21 2012, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 21 2012, 06:10 PM)
That was not even a review. It was a 1st impression article  smile.gif
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Yeah correct. And Rita will hold no punches if a product deserves to be put down, just wait for her full review. I can honestly tell you, it might turn 180 degrees around from this initial impression, depending how annoyed she gets.
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post Mar 21 2012, 06:33 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:26 PM)
WP didn't have recently used list right? Anyway, as previous I mentioned, it's not serious but will be a nice improvement feature; If somehow so happen you have writing a document or maybe SMS, and the app got close because you didn't notice there was already 5 apps running then it can be frustrating and not a nice experience.
I'm not sure if it will kill the word app or SMS, as I notice, it won't kill off my IE no matter how many apps I open, it will close other app, IE will be in priority and will not be closed. So this can consider as a positive thing.
It will close Office app, but not sure if you have words/excel/powerpoint running, will it close, need to test it.

Yea, that's what I meant about Maemo/MeeGo, they have no limit, so the user needs to be educated and aware. One may argue this can cause problem... well, as I said before, software is flexible, they can actually add a option in settings, allow how many apps to run and what to do if user try to run more app, what to do when an app is not responding or consuming a lot of memory, and so on. They can set by default the recommended and the user can customize it... Software is all about how being creative and making it flexible.
True, we don't know. Just saying that it'll be nice to have. There's no problem with 512MB, it's running smoothly and well, but it's just a "nice to have".
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Nope, no recent used list. The multitasking is unfortunately the recent used list. Oh, I never noticed that IE doesn't get killed. That's interesting.

Well, I think when N9 runs out of memory it should auto close apps for me. Haha! But that's just me. tongue.gif


QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:26 PM)
I know you've mentioned it's not based on Windows Mobile. As a smartphone OS, or experience they had, it's like a standard feature or common feature used by many. It's only thanks to Apple, they set new standards and people starts to try to follow it (I highly suspect the management just follow blindly because it's famous).

Many of the standard feature or commonly use, known feature, especially from their past experience, it "should" be there, moreover as a smartphone. Not providing them just basically means the same, and it will "affect" many users, especially their previous Windows Mobile users, and now partnership with Nokia, the Symbian users.
It's a simple thing, and it should be added in and imagine this:
If Windows Phone OS have all these "basic" commonly used and "sort of" standard feature; What do you think Windows Phone will be today?
1. We won't be having these discussion on the restriction and limitation.
2. Symbian users have smoother and less problem in transition/change.
3. Less complains from users, good for both Nokia and Microsoft.
Take note, I didn't say none, but less; There won't be a perfect device, sure will have customer that dislike or doesn't suit, but the key point here is, to cater for more customer and reduce the complains, more satisfied customers; which in current case, I've repeated many times, is easily solved, but it's just a mere "management decisions".
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Agreed, end of discussion. So now the ball is in Nokia & Microsoft court. icon_rolleyes.gif


Added on March 21, 2012, 6:36 pm
QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:26 PM)

Added on March 21, 2012, 6:32 pm
Not sure what she will write, but in my opinion, there's no need to ditch a product; Reviewers should highlight the "drawbacks" of the device and help to "raise awareness" to the manufacturer in CONSTRUCTIVE ways. Let them how what is the impact, the severity and how it can be easily solved or avoided.

Some people may look at what I write as a negative point, but if they read carefully, I'm trying to convey it constructively, I give scenario and stories, examples, to show how it will affect some people and so on. There's no perfect device, but to make a better device, the users need to feedback on what are the bads and try to get it resolved.
If we ignore or say, it's ok, not so serious for us, then how will we expect the things to change and improve for the better. I mean, everyone wants a better improved OS right? Or do they?
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Well it's not a review, just a 1st impression. You know, a lot products fail on 1st impression. So it's good that it got past that. But don't worry, she'll give her bad points when she's ready. And don't worry, Nokia actually reads her stuff.

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post Mar 21 2012, 08:11 PM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 21 2012, 06:46 PM)
Her first impression already show plenty of negative points. Did you even read her post? Unlike you I comment based on her message I don't judge based on who she is. In fact her article expressed a bunch of hopes and dreams for the Microsoft-Nokia alliance. Frankly I don't know if she can be an unbiased reviewer later as her post already show her clearly biased.
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So you're accusing me of not reading her post? Can you honestly admit to me that you actually READ her post before your first reply? I actually finisher her post before I replied you. But can you do the same? And why are you only picking on the NEGATIVES? There aren't any positives in there? Talk about bias!


QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 21 2012, 07:26 PM)
N9's multitasking limit is very high. Have you seen videos of N9 multitasking more than 20 apps? The phone is still usable. Has anybody reached N9's multitasking limit in normal use?

N9 probably the best multitasking ability. ios and WP7 multitasking are fake (apps are suspended, not multitasked). Even Android doesn't come close. This is what I got from another blog:

"In theory, Android allows apps to continue running in the background, but within many severe restrictions. First of all, all background tasks in total cannot take more than some 5-10% of CPU time, which is very little. Any app that uses more than that when switched to the background will get frozen. Also, if the apps already running in the background get close to the limit and you try to switch to the background another one and the limit gets exceeded, the app will be frozen. And the same for the size of operating memory (RAM) used. Thirdly, Android also restricts which functions can be active in the background. If an app does something that isn't allowed to work in the background, it'll be frozen. And so on..."


Added on March 21, 2012, 7:48 pm

Let me guess. You posted the link because her overall impression was positive. You're just as biased as me. But that's okay, we all have our bias and preferences. Peace.
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I've never said anything bad about N9 multitasking, show me where I did. It's the best feature to me & I know about being able to multitask up to 30+ apps. Heck I've done that myself. But you're missing the point. These 30+ apps are doing nothing at the screen there. Try using the phone to load a few big webpage with pics and see it start to slow down (Firefox is very sensitive to this because it has no GUI acceleration).

What happened to me was something different. It's a classic case of running out of RAM & SWAP. The system tries to compensate by paging stuff from RAM to SWAP & paging out stuff from SWAP to RAM & hits a deadlock. This can happen when an app goes overzealous in using RAM & it can happen in any Linux system. I've even waited for 10 minutes & hoped the phone can sort it out but it didn't. Had to use the hold power button more then 8 secs (thank goodness it works) to off the phone.

When you are neutral, we can all have good discussions like me with Andy. But you're biased & choose to be confrontational. I never wanted to answer this way but I see no other choice.

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post Mar 21 2012, 08:38 PM

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QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 21 2012, 08:22 PM)
Alright, I'll let you have the last word. This is getting pointless.


Added on March 21, 2012, 8:27 pm

Neither did I say you said anything bad about N9 multitasking. Why so confrontational?

Did your downloading slow down or your phone slow down in doing other tasks? There is a difference here.
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LOL! Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Why the heck do I need the last say?

Dude, I'm just telling you what happened to me on HOW my N9 hanged. It's not slow down. Do you understand the difference?


Added on March 21, 2012, 9:04 pm
QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 06:56 PM)
Haha, for me, I prefer to have options, to kill or not.
And if it wants to auto, it should know which should not be simply killed, like what WP did on IE, it doesn't get killed, which I kinda like it. I tested it many times, the IE won't get killed, interesting, but the tabs will. Anyway, this can be seen as future improvements on the product.

Let's hope she will highlight the importance of need; It'll need these famous and well-known reviewers or writers to push and raise awareness. They say 1 word is better and more effective than many unknown people say thousands of millions of words.
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Yeah, very interesting that IE won't get killed. Have to test that. Yeap, the words from 1 person that ppl listens to is definitely way more powerful than the noise from an incoherent crowd icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Mar 22 2012, 02:09 AM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 21 2012, 10:53 PM)
Firefox is a high memory consumer, especially on N900. Web browser too as it's constantly running in the backgruond, the phone will feel hot and consuming battery even in sleep mode.
Previously when I was doing the N9 review, I did stress test video, I didn't really open many apps, but there's Firefox with few tabs, Maps, and several other; It lags pretty badly and I tried to continue play NFS Shift, the phone actually hangs and have to force turn off. Firefox is the main culprit and back then the Firefox is still early version. Not sure about the new one as I seldom or rarely use N9 to browse since I prefer qwerty keyboard.

But to run many apps is possible, just depending what apps.

In N900, with Kmplayer, when you minimize, the video still continues to play, this is quite amazing. Once I output the video to TV, then I receive an SMS, so I switch to multi-tasking window and read the SMS, the video still playing in the TV while my phone screen is in SMS, so I just reply and send; this is pretty amazing, but it does cause some jitter to the video when sending and during receiving. To think about it, N900 only have 256MB Ram, with 768MB being virtual memory... When the virtual memory is used up to certain level, it can cause heavy impact on the performance.
I'm not sure about N9 with virtual memory since the RAM is already so high.
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1st time my N9 hang happened to me was because of Firefox & it was loading some flash content. That made me a bit careful on using Firefox afterwards, switched back to default web browser for everything. The next time though caught me completely by surprise since I was using default browser & didn't actually open many apps. Just finished reading a long article then when I swiped to close the browser it just locked up when the phone was trying to update the multitasking screen. I guess tat one is a fluke since there wasn't any sign before hand (ie no slowdowns).

Yeah I've ran 30+ apps on my N9 just for fun. Power draw was crazy of course laugh.gif

Oh ya, N9 has 256mb for swap (virtual memory) only.

Wow that's amazing on N900. I've tested it once last time when my boss still had his late 2010 & was very impressed with the multitasking. He actually wanted to sell it to me but at that time I was just deciding on getting N8. In the end the N8 won since I needed a cameraphone to take pics of my kids. laugh.gif

Anyway, talking about video playback, I just tested CuteTube on my N9 which actually has a setting for playing vid when minimised. It works! Just that too bad it's not the whole size of the app windows, it's reduced to a small playback windows on the app itself, just like when you're playing vids on CuteTube when you're holding it in portrait mode. But it works & the playback never stopped even as I swiped it out to minimise & load it back to be focused. Great app for those who use YouTube a lot & definitely worth that RM4 price tag.

Oh ya, to the person who has issues with Nokia Maps, did you change the Language under Time and Language settings on your phone? I had issue with Nokia Maps when I 1st tried it during PR1.1 days & it turns out that if you changed the Language to anything but English (United Kingdom) before you 1st start up Nokia Maps, it'll go nuts. Weird prob. Not sure if it still happens now but I've not changed my default language since.

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post Mar 22 2012, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 09:40 AM)
Web browser is usually one of the main culprit but the default browser should be better especially since it doesn't support flash. For N900, the flash is one of the major performance killer, some people turn it off. The great thing here is there is option/choice for user, instead of not providing and giving excuses (e.g. Mr Jobs). But he successfully killed it I guess, no more Flash for future smartphone OS. Before that, it was said to come on MOST (if not all) smartphone OS, except iOS.

Luckily they manage to get flash on Firefox for MeeGo. For N9, I don't really like the default browser because it's very plain and simple, even after PR1.2, they didn't seem to add in features like history, bookmarks, and so on. I think they might not be improving/adding it further. Just wonder will we still get PR1.3
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Yeah, so we're actually lucky to get Flash support. But it's the end of the road for mobile Flash. Anyway, PR1.2 did add history to default browser, scroll down your most used sites list & you'll see it. Too bad they didn't give any settings to control how long history to keep. I also wonder when we'll get PR1.3, just keep our fingers & toes crossed biggrin.gif

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 09:40 AM)
In terms of web browsing performance between MeeGo default browser and Windows Phone IE browser, I do agree with ViraVira (as said in his article/blog); despite the IE browser score less in html5test, but you can feel it's smoother, more snappy, it gives better browsing experience. What MeeGo currently has is the advantage on FireFox for those and can compromise on the performance for what it can do or offer.
True, the thing flexibility is, user need to know the limitation on the hardware or what will happen if they run many apps.
In a way, Microsoft control and limit on how many apps can be run is a good, but it'll be even better if they provide options for user to customize further. You know, like Advanced mode, and then further customization. For general users, they can go with the "recommended" settings. But these are more like "nice to have" improvements in future.
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All good points & not something that can be ruled out on WP. Hopefully they add more settings. Well, hopefully. Most users aren't concerned or even know about app/memory management but yes, added flexibility to cater for geeks is always needed.


QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 09:40 AM)
Didn't know about the swap, thanks for the info.
For N900, what I notice is, when the swap is use up to like 150MB, the device will be really sluggish most of the time, and I will restart the device. There's also ways to sort of force it to use more ram by adjusing the swappiness properties or completely turn it off and face the consequences lol. There's actually an app called "swappoluble" for Maemo, which you can customize some variables or use the "recommended" settings from the developer.

Since N9 has 1GB Ram, I suppose we can turn off or adjust the swappiness level to very low like 10 or 20? Default should be 100. The problem is we can't monitor the ram usage. In Maemo, there is Desktop and you can put widgets to monitor the process and ram usage. I would say Maemo is very optimize in terms of processor and ram usage, despite the slow processor and ram, it can multi-task very well and it's still smooth to switch between different apps. N9 with 1GB Ram should do much better, that's like 4X the ram of N900.

Personally though, I would like to have more powerful device running Maemo5, but the source is with Nokia and they're not releasing it. Else, the team in maemotalk.org would've done wonders. They've modified the kernels to do many things, and there's also CSSU (Community Seamless Software Update) to provide their own updates, they fixed a bug which took quite some time before Nokia did. Imagine that, lol.
If the source was given, I can't imagine how it will turn out.
Yup, CuteTube is great, the developer did a fine job. I mainly use it for download. In Maemo5, it was free, lol; but the developer deserve to be paid for the amazing app.
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Thanks for the insight into N900. At least now I know why there r many diehard fans of N900 that wouldn't give up on the device. Super optimised! Yap, only the sky is the limit if Nokia released the source for Maemo5. Makes you wonder what Maemo6 would have been had it not merged.

Honestly the open source community is trully one of the best out there, spending their free time to fix/modify these things. I've always been amazed with them & trust that as long as given the chance, the community will respond & pick it up.

Anyway there's a nice app in Nokia Store called Drop Cache for N9. Helps out a lot in doing garbage collection which MeeGo doesn't seem to do enough. When I get choppy videos in CuteTube I know it's time to use Drop Cache. Oh I didn't realise CuteTube was free for Maemo5, but yes he definitely deserve to be paid smile.gif. I use it mainly for downloads too but sadly buggy DLNA support for vid makes it not possible to make my N9 as a media centre. I use YouTube Downloader/CuteTube/Nokia Trailers on my N8 to download vids & N8 DLNA support is amazing.


QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 22 2012, 10:50 AM)
Here's the NitDroid on N9 Video. Not too shabby for an Alpha release, eh? Not even laggy.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Way more impressive than I hoped for. Great stuff & super job by the dev!!!


Added on March 22, 2012, 12:18 pm
QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 22 2012, 12:10 PM)
Lol, now only you buy the app is it? Previously Open Video Player can play minimised but not compatible with PR 1.2. This one could watch full screen. It's the same developer as cutetube. I asked him in maemo forum is he going to put it to Ovi Store, he said no more doing, too many codes to change.
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No ah, I bought CuteTube the moment I got my N9 back in middle of Jan 2012. But I was testing the N8 version which he put out for free before that. Yeah I know about Open Video Player & why he stopped work on it. Big darn QT bug sadly.


Added on March 22, 2012, 12:20 pm
QUOTE(tonberry_ax @ Mar 22 2012, 12:07 PM)
My current Avg Idle is 6mA, anyone have below it?
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Wow! That is super!!! The lowest I've seen for my phone is 11mA. No I don't off my phone when I go sleep. Very good batt life after PR1.2.

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post Mar 23 2012, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:07 PM)
If you have used one, you may understand the feeling. EVen now, I still prefer the N900. Some of the N900 users after switching to other still looked back. You know there're few exceptional device from Nokia? Like 6600, N95, etc. N900 is one of them with very complete hardware (there's Infrared, stereo speaker, lens cover, stylus, qwerty) and a great OS. With the default browser, you can activate the "mouse cursor" so you can do the drag and drop thing, you can do "hover", useful on dynamic websites, you can visit desktop version of Facebook and pretty much do everything like the desktop version, chat, organize pictures in album (drag-and-drop). You can easily select portion of the text too since you can activate the mouse cursor, and use keyboard short-cuts.

Then the multi-tasking is a breeze and convenient to use, just tap the top left you'll go into mutl-tasking window and you can easily switch between apps. So, let's say I'm half way SMS, I can switch to the browser copy some text, switch back to SMS and paste there easily and fast. I tried doing the same on Android, oh the horror.

What I can say is, it's like having a mini pocket-size laptop in your hand, and it can do many basic/usual things that a laptop can do. This in my opinion, brings smartphone experience a closer step to mobile computer experience, what initially POCKET PC meant to achieve.
It doesn't need the person to be advance to use it, if a person can use the computer, it's pretty much the same, there's a desktop like usualy computer where you can put your icons anywhere you like, even overlap one another, no restrictions like where you can put and so on; so the customization of the Desktop is most unique, you can find many creatively design desktop from many users. In LYN N900 thread, there're many types of users, so it's no necesarily one must be advance user. The main issue is the lack of apps/games, official MMS support, 3G calls. The Ovi store is practically useless. Nokia never seem to bother about MMS and 3G calls even up to PR1.3. MMS was supported by 3rd party application and it uses data/internet instead.

There's mplayer (uses processing power) which can decode most of the video file format/types, also have subtitles support. With TV Out, it can also serve as a media player, just dump videos into it and most of the time it just plays without any issue unless it's higher quality, then it may not be able to render properly or at all. There's also Knots2, which allows streaming of video via wifi from the PC's VLC Player, so I can use my PC to stream HD videos to N900 and output through TV.

Anyway, it's a great device, if only there's a better spec version to catch up with today's standard.
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Wow!!! Completely floored by your explanation of N900. Truly an amazing device indeed. If there's anything that is closest be being called a Pocket PC, it's definitely N900. Really impressed with the browser having a mouse cursor & ability to hover. Don't know how often I tried in vain to select one of those darn menu dropdowns where the option I wanted was at the bottom but I can never get there to select it. doh.gif Wah really cool way of using N900 as media centre. Back then it's done with TV Out. Now everything is done wirelessly.

Aiyak, no MMS & 3G calls on N900? Never fixed also by Nokia? doh.gif Of course nowadays no one cares bout 3G calls anymore. Hehe.

Anyway, I've found kmplayer & mplayer for N9, testing it for now. Seems like a better option to play vids on N9 for now. Also found VLC player for N9 but like a bit old & buggy to use.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:07 PM)
Yup, you can say most (if not all) those great apps for N900 is free. I don't visit OVI Store. In N900, by default there's App Manager, which you can add other repository (something like Cydia on jailbroken iOS), here you can find tons of apps, there're some ported from Desktop version (there's Chromium aka Google Chrome), there're also WarCraft2 & StarCraft (whcih runs on different engine), there's DOSBox, so much more. There's also some Java package you can install, then you can run NetBeans IDE! That's plain crazy though.
With Ir, there's Ir Remote app (as usual) and also Remote Trigger for DSLR.
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Haha! The way N900 works really like Linux/Ubuntu to me. Cool! Got so many ported apps! Walau! Netbeans IDE?? Hahahaha!!!! Great for showing off to ppl, hey look, I can do programming on my phone!! laugh.gif


QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:07 PM)
Basically, the main attraction for most people is simple, they want apps and games, those that are popular and nice. Nokia didn't push enough effort on this for Maemo and MeeGo, even Samsung did better for their Bada OS?
As for Microsoft, I believe they've been pushing hard on this since sometime a go.
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Yeap, that's the current trend. People want a phone that can install apps & games everyone is playing. Sadly Maemo was never anything more but a side project in Nokia. That was about to change with Maemo6/MeeGo but the delays killed it. Also, to cater for more normal use, they had to strip things out. So the resulting N9 pales in comparison to the mighty N900. Yes Samsung definitely did more for promoting Bada OS. Microsoft was trying hard to fix all the issues in the originally released WP7 & didn't spend much time marketing it to be honest. But at least with WP7.5, they are pushing hard.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 22 2012, 05:07 PM)
N9 video playback is not as good as N8; I tested some 720p video, N9 cannot play it properly but N8 has no problem at all.
As for DLNA, I suppose Symbian is more widely use and they have larger teams and more attention, so there should be less issue and if any, it could be rectified and sorted much faster.
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N9 video playback is very limited compared to N8, resolution & bitrate wise. The GPU in N8 is really amazing to be honest. The N9 it turns out uses practically the same GPU as N900 but missing some driver decoders which Nokia seems to have no interest to fix now.

The DLNA stack was built in on Symbian ^3 from the start but there was no way to access it. Thankfully the Beta Labs team started to built a client to access it but it stayed in Beta Labs until Nokia Belle release. Now you can download it on Nokia Store if you're on Nokia Belle.

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 23 2012, 07:10 AM)
Thanks.

1. How do I transfer N8's Maps Favorites to N9 Maps?. Both have different Nokia Account (I want to keep it separate).

2. When you export your Contacts to a File in N9, where is this file kept and what's it called? I did that but couldn't find it.
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1) I haven't found a way to import favourites on N9.

2) They are all in a folder called Contacts in your MyDocs folder.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 10:29 AM)
Yup, back during the time of N900, many people were asking about the 3G and MMS, because of this, they sold or didn't get it. Then it's all about apps and games. Their friends are enjoying game on iPhone/Androids, so how can they stand, hee. Moreover, if there's multiplay, they'll be left out and also left out of the circle or conversation, no idea what they're talking about.
But actually for iOS, there's an option, which is iPod Touch which you can get for 1/3 of iPhone price, but you cannot have data, and have to rely on wifi.
I think I download it before but seems not working, I think that was the early versions or something.
Good for show only, cannot do, lol, way too laggy. NetBeans IDE consume high resource even on Desktop PC, lol. But with the Java library (forget what's it's called), you can run applets, and stuffs on the phone. It's like having full java on the phone, not the ME edition.
My colleague got the Samsung Wave on Bada, during that time, they done more promotion and giving free games and bringing apps and games to the platform. But Nokia didn't, we only have Angry Birds on N900, and some other puzzle or blocks type of game, but the device was not so much meant for gaming, more for work, the 9 series.

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Yap so true, everyone playing some game, multiplayer somemore but we can't join in coz we're on Nokia. Actually that's the reason I got the iPod Touch, to be able to play games with those poeple on iOS. But I don't think I wanna carry another extra gadget with me nowadays.

That's the thing bout Nokia, they only do what they think is enough to promote during launch, after that nothing one. So we also get Angry Birds on our N9 but never going to be updated sadly.

Kmplayer & mplayer definitely works now on my N9. At least with it I can play vids without that annoying error 'You can't play this type of files on this device' in the middle of playing. I found out that that error was added in to stop video playback if bitrate too high in PR1.2 so it's not a bug, it's a feature. doh.gif

Haha! Yeah, the nature of Java, eat ram like nothing. Oh ya, I read about that, getting Java apps to run on N900. It's cool, having the full Java on phone but at the same time really laggy lah. Hehe. Even on my Ubuntu, I had to search around for a lighter Eclipse based IDE to do my stuff or else just open IDE & a few Chrome instance is enough to trip my laptop badly as I run out of ram.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 10:29 AM)
Yup, MS pushing and attracting developers is obvious that it's highlighted in GSMArena and several sites. It'll take some time, but it'll definitely catch up; but their marketplace needs better organization or some sort, most feedback I have is the marketplace is not so convenient to browse and apps/games are not sorted well, you often see useless 1 star app on top, weird. Even myself, when I was browsing to see what free app/games it has, after browsing very far below, only I found more interesting and the common app/games.

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Very true, I also find the sorting in WP marketplace very messy. I usually have to resort to searching for an app I'm looking for. Much faster than scrolling through endless list of dun know what rubbish apps. But maybe this is something that only happens in M'sia Marketplace since it's still new?

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 10:29 AM)
The GPU is great, but did you notice banding issues on Nokia devices? I first notice the severity on N8, but seems very few notice this, but it's so obvious, once I show it, they can see it clearly. You can see this on N9 as well, but not as bad as N8. N900 has no or very little banding issue, so I never really notice it, but on N8, it's very obvious.

Here's an explanation and sample of banding.
http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/gradient.php

Here's the sample video I took, not so obvious when see from video, but it's there. E7 with CBD also same.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


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The colour banding issues is caused by the screen. It's a 16-bit AMOLED screen. You won't see this banding on say Samsung Galaxy S2 because they use a 32-bit AMOLED screen. Both N8 & N9 uses 16-bit AMOLED but it's not as bad on N9 because resolution & pixel count on N9 is higher so that masks the banding a bit. CBD actually is just a polariser to stop light reflections from the screen itself, doesn't do much for fixing colour banding.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 10:29 AM)
Nice and addicting games, but not everyone draw nicely.

If got bigger scree it's better, on small screen and using fingers, it's horrible.
Samsung Galaxy Note is nice for this, Tablets even better.
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Well, ppl seem to draw ok ah on iPhone. laugh.gif But it's really hilarious lah see some of the results.

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QUOTE(drexar @ Mar 23 2012, 12:33 PM)
That's the best part of the game actually hahaha
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 03:13 PM)
Same, I got the iPod Touch, but I hardly use it after a while. The gaming is quite fun, but it's have not much control so not all types of game is suitable; Still prefer to play on PSP.
One app which I particularly like is the "Dynolicious" app  brows.gif
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Dun have a PSP so I game on my N8 nowadays hehe. Oh, didn't know what app was "Dynolicious", searched it up, wah, car tuning? shocking.gif Didn't know got such app.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 03:13 PM)
Let's hope so. There's still many things to improve on Windows Phone. Talk about scrolling, the contacts could use a better scrolling feature like in N9, you can scroll to specific alphabet easily, or like Android, you can easily filter by scrolling. The seems to missed this on Windows Phone, but they really did amazing job on SNS, you don't have to install Facebook application at all, you can comment directly, like, tag, etc. Very cool! When you browse a picture or post, it will be cached into the phone. You can view them even when offline, since it's cached into the phone, zooming is smooth and quality is still there (unlike Android), and you can even save it even offline as it's already cached. This is the Amazing Everyday experience, lol. I'm surprise how detail and well they did this, but other features seems they just do the basics.
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Actually there is kind of scrolling to specific alphabet in Windows Phone, but it doesn't work the same way like N9. Instead it works like this, you notice an 'a' floating on top of the 1st contact you have that starts with 'a'? Press it to get an index from a - z, then choose from there. This works in almost any list I think. U basically can access the index by pressing that floating alphabet. biggrin.gif

I think they set priority 1st & foremost on getting FB & Twitter right since that's the thing everyone uses. There is a limitation in the FB integration, u can't access group info I think. For that you have to install the official FB app. Anyway since FB & Twitter is very good now, I hope they start to pay the same attention elsewhere in the OS.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 03:13 PM)
Finally! After so long, a very good explanation. The bit you mean color?
I've been wondering is it because of the color but then my N900 (65K) doesn't seem to be obvious, that what makes me wonder, but maybe it's because of the resolution and pixel count, and also screen size.
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Yap, bit refers to colour, 16-bit is 65K while 24-bit/32-bit is 16 Million. Anyway, the reason why you don't see the banding on N900 is because it's TFT type. TFT doesn't show obvious colour banding if compared to AMOLED.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 03:13 PM)
I mean can draw, but not easy, small screen and finger also cover so big already.
I've seen those that draw very detail and nice. I tried drawing with the Galaxy Note, it was soooo much better, first the screen is big, you can draw more details and with the stylus, even better. Just that I find it's not always accurate to the touch, sometimes you touch on this spot, it appears on another spot. Have to hold it properly. Plus, you can see gap between the glass and the display, unlike N9 and Lumia 800 tongue.gif
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It's hard to draw in small detail since capacitive don't allow it. Haha! It can only sense your finger, anything smaller doesn't register. Unfortunately that's how the tech works. I haven't tried the stylus on Galaxy Note so can't really comment on it. But I did notice that gap you said between the glass & display. The display on N9/Lumia 800 is really something to behold.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 23 2012, 03:13 PM)
I notice got one bug, anyone got the word "USB"?
I draw USB, when I watch back the person guess, there is no "U" word in the list? LoL, how to answer.
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Wow! Didn't notice this bug but then again, I didn't play it much yet. I just watch my friend play most of the time.

QUOTE(ViRaViRa @ Mar 23 2012, 04:34 PM)
http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-4007.php

I thought that just recently Nokia retrenched a lot of people after decision to dump Symbian.Not again?

Looka like Nokia is really having a bad time now.
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Well, this was announced recently that they are shifting pretty much ALL their manufacturing to China. So no more made in Finland Nokias anymore. Well, unless you're staying in Europe. mad.gif
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 23 2012, 06:21 PM)
It was reported early this year that Nokia will open a factory in Vietnam. The news link abt  opening in vietnam was posted in gsm arena by an asian. They close in Europe, open in Asia, normal trend. Last time, everyone want to go china open, now shifting to vietnam
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Actually it's being moved to South Korea & China. Read this. It was reported way back in Feb 8 2012. So not a big suprise.

QUOTE(KennyKB @ Mar 23 2012, 07:59 PM)
No Angry Birds Space for WP7? What a shame. At least N9 users can play the Android version.

http://techcrunch.com/2012/03/23/analyst-n...okias-recovery/
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Guess what? Read the article again, there's an update! Haha! Someone might have said something wrong coz CEO of Rovio, Mikael Hed had to step in & 'correct' that. laugh.gif

QUOTE(k@|i0s @ Mar 23 2012, 10:29 PM)
any hope for angry bird space for meego??
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 23 2012, 10:31 PM)
Oh, that's why my E6 doesnt have this banding thingy. I thought it's cos it's smaller 3.2" screen. Actually the N9 also not so noticeable, unless watch videos in the dark  tongue.gif
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Yap, coz E6 uses TFT screen also and it has a freaking high 325 ppi pixel density screen somemore. That's very near the iPhone 4/4s 330 ppi pixel density screen.
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QUOTE(eaglehelang @ Mar 24 2012, 01:01 AM)
I was refering to this :
http://excelbrothers.com/vietnam-software-...ory-in-vietnam/

http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/09/0.../#axzz1pxZVr600
http://www.businesslawconsultant.com/news/...special-offers-
Factory supposed to open early 2012, but government making it hard, not surprising

Latest news on Finland job cuts also mention Vietnam : http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-03-2...t-finnish-plant
So, I suppose in the meanwhile, China  & South Korea factories will be producing the phones
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Oh no wonder I didn't see Vietnam in the news that I've read. The factory ain't open yet. Hehe. Let's see how long the gov is going to drag this before they get a big slap in the face from Nokia.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 26 2012, 10:43 AM)
Yup, no Facebook Group access, only friends/contact at the moment. Not sure how they will implement group, as in Facebook, we have personal grouping of the contacts and then there's the discussion or group page. Perhaps just sync the friends grouping in Facebook is enough.

For The Group/Discussion Page, not sure if it will be implemented, but it can get quite messy and so I think it shouldn't be inside People page, perhaps a different page, or just use the FB app for that cause there's also other things like fan page, your own page, etc.
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Oh ya, now that you mention it that way it's true also that it's going to be messy for Group/Discussion to be integrated into People Hub. Yeah just use FB app for that then which works great already.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 26 2012, 10:43 AM)
N8 specs seems to mention that it's 16M colour but the resolution is low and also quite low ppi.
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The N8 actually 210 ppi pixel density, not really that low. Actually I also noticed that N8 specs mentioned 16M colour. Same with N9 too. Reviews seem to state Lumia 800 shares same screen with N9 & is using 16-bit AMOLED screen but can't find any mention of it on N9 reviews. Make me scratch head also. Search online for "AMOLED banding" & you'll find huge discussions. From the discussions I think it's safe to say AMOLED handles 16-bit colour stuff horribly, unless proper dithering is applied. There's also mention in discussions that most AMOLED screens are 16-bit colour but have dithering system to achieve 24-bit colour. So I think that's how they all got advertised as capable of 16 million colours.

I've been looking at my stuff on my N8 & only noticed banding on videos, specifically videos that I've downloaded. Videos that I've recorded with the phone don't seem to show this banding much even if its pitch black. So it's very likely compression artifacts are causing these banding to appear in downloaded videos.

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 28 2012, 11:02 AM)
After further testing, my previous findings were incorrect.
It will still put away the browser from multi-tasking window, but it's not killed, but just you can't see it in multi-tasking window, when you open up to 5 other apps. Previously I think I access the web browser (any tab) will do, it will bring the application to the latest accessed.

Previously, what I was told and know is, the multi-tasking will close the FIRST app you open, as in FIRST IN FIRST OUT concept. BUT I find out this was not the case, IF you access the FIRST app after you open 4 app, the FIRST app will be bring to then back. So, it should be the last access app will be put away first.
Another thing I notice, although the 6 tabs doesn't SEEM to contribute to how the maximum 5 apps you can open, actually it does. You can have 5 apps open including the browser and the browser having 6 tabs. But when you access another tab, it will put away the last accessed app to make room for the tab you're viewing.
Kinda confusing at first, but basically, the tabs are also not loaded until you access and in running in the multi-tasking window.

One more thing, I tried with Word and Excel mobile, edited the default doc, then try running more than 5 apps, the Word and Excel got put away. I re-open again the word and excel app, I notice the edited document is still there, it wasn't terminated. So, in a way, I think you can say it actually can save the state of more than 5 app, just that it only allows 5 app to be shown in the multi-tasking window, and possible these 5 apps with allowed background process? No real idea. Also not sure how long will it keep the state after being put away from multi-tasking Windows, as I read from MS site, if there's not enough memory, the app will be tombstoned, supposedly it means completely wipe away or does it still keep the state? Not sure, cause even after few days, and running many different test the IE tabs still there.
Anyway, if you restart the phone, then all these states will be gone, but IE tabs still preserve (e.g. those tabs that were left open), but the word and excel document edited half way will be gone. So, not really sure how long can Office documents state be keep after being put away from multi-tasking view.
UPDATE: After restart, it only preserve the tabs and thumbails, but if you access them, it will try to refresh. So, it doesn't preserve the page, unlike if you didn't restart, even if you've used many application and the IE has been put away, when you access IE, the page seems still available, but not sure for how long, maybe more memory intensive apps/games needed for testing.
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Wow what testing you went through. Anyway, a very good read on this whole thing is here - Execution Model Overview for Windows Phone. It's very technical but to sum it up:

1) It doesn't really follow FIRST IN, FIRST OUT. Instead it closes whichever app that is least recently used.
2) An app has a state dictionary to save stuff, this state dictionary is stored in memory only. There's a separate persistent application state that can be written to storage when needed. This should be how IE stores it's tab info.
3) Once an app is not in focus, it's dormant & it's state is saved. However the app is still in memory & can be recalled & state restored when needed.
4) When OS starts run out of memory, any dormant app that is least recently used will be closed but it's state preserved in memory. This is what they call tombstoned. According to the page I linked, "The device will maintain tombstoning information for up to five applications at a time".

So I guess it all depends on how an app saves it's state when it enters tombstoned state. If it just saves state dictionary then if you're lucky you can resume the app if the state info still in memory. Else hope that the app did save persistent application state so that at least can resume something. Else start from scratch. sweat.gif

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 28 2012, 11:02 AM)
Did you try indoor especialyl low light? Especially when the brightness go up. It's not just the downloaded video files, I first notice it from TRON trailer which were included, I notice the same on photos, you can see large pixels banding very obvious, and not just on blacks. When watching movies, those scenes with clouds or night scene, oh gosh, it's horrible. Example: "Salt" movie, the dark scene, it's totally horrible.
Even video recorded have this issue as most of the time, I record videos indoors in low light, poor/weak flourescent lighting, it's bad. Even during recording, you see the screen, it's bad, and I don't even have to hold it near to look. To me, it looks really bad.
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Yes I did try indoor low light. I even tried night time outdoors. I still don't see that obvious banding in videos I've taken, at least not like the ugly banding I see in trailers I downloaded. Maybe I'm not so sensitive to it. laugh.gif

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 28 2012, 04:52 PM)
It's for the review, which I kept modifying lol, but not the usual review. I'm not really suitable to write review or stuffs like that, but since it's required, I just write my own, about my findings, my opinion, rants, complaints and stuffs.

I've read that, but didn't go through in detail. Today, I read another blog which talks about how the developer can write its state permanent storage.
So, in theory, it's actually can support more than 5 apps as those apps not in the "mutli-tasking view" still have it's state preserve, just that it's not in the "multi-tasking view" (something like a limit of "recently app used list").
But I think the difference is, those app in multi-tasking view will have priority over being tombstoned and can have background service running? If the app is being remove from multi-tasking view, possibly the background service will no longer be allowed to run. Need to test it out first. The behavior is dependent on how the developer implement it.
But IE has something unique, it still continue to load in the background, so assuming it's process is running, if I leave it in multi-tasking view and didn't close it, it doesn't seems to consume battery or resources, unlike N9, which have true multi-tasking, the browser will actually consume resources. I assume Windows Phone, the IE will be in dormant state after finish loading.
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Oh! So I guess your review still not done? Haha. Ya I know what you mean on write reviews. Can become very long with all those. But I guess good also have such a comprehensive review. thumbup.gif

Well I guess it's how u define multi-tasking. An app being able to resume in some manner? Or an app being able to resume without needing to reload things? Coz on WP, even though u can resume a killed app, it'll spend time reloading the app persistance data then have to refresh it's view. This of course takes time & ppl will interpret as 'lag'.

There are 2 other things apps can do after exit. Batch processing & background service. Batch processing is where you can exit the app but it stays in the background to finish a task in a defined period of time. Good eg for this would be any background uploads/downloads that need to be done. There's a time limit to this & if exceeded usually the background task will be killed & error reported.

Backgrond service though runs all the time, but very limited task can be done. Usually reserved to just check for notifications.

I think IE is a special case in WP. They must have put it higher priority so that as long as you've run it recently, it's not tombstoned unless really not used very long.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 28 2012, 04:52 PM)
Probably the brightness settings? Or the light sensor? When I send to Nokia Service Centre last time, we compare with another customer's N8, it's obvious mine were worst. But ding dong ding dong, there's nothing wrong with the device, which later I learn about the banding thing through more research.
Anyway, luckily it was not my primary device, so it doesn't really affect me, but that time I just want to know what's wrong and is it my device have problem; If it's the display, maybe Nokia can take note of it for their future device, if it's software related, maybe they can look into it. Only know it's banding issue, but didn't know was caused by display or software until your explanation, lol.

So, I think Nokia should take notice on this issue about the display.
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I've tested with full brightness in normal room light to see my vids but didn't notice bad banding also. Just low light noise. Hehe.

Anyway, from what I've read, the screen supplier for Nokia also have trouble with the same banding prob so I think that's why it wasn't fixed during that time. How to fix when your supplier also can't fix? Who's the supplier? Samseng! laugh.gif

Now of course different story lah.
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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 29 2012, 02:37 PM)
Not done, when I pass the device around I also have no time to really explore so cannot really write, unless just a brief impression; but anyway, mine is really long (like a long story - "cheong hei"), lol, just as you can see how I type in forums, lol.
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Hahaha!!! Don't forget to give me the link to your "cheong hei" review when you're done. laugh.gif

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 29 2012, 02:37 PM)
True, it depends the behavior of the application. For those application that will be permanently remove from memory, I notice it will stored its state into permanent storage, so when I resume, I got this "resuming..." screen. I forgot which app was that already. Overall, the memory management is good, and similar like Apple concept, the developer need to handle the behavior on their program and store the state, the OS will kill when it need memory. This way, the OS will have more stability as any problem, it's the app, the OS will not be affected.

Yea, IE seems to have special priority. Even I have nothing in my Multi-tasking window, the next day, I open IE, all my tabs is there, and the contents are still available (no internet connection). Only if I restart, it will clear of the content, but the tabs is still there with the thumbnails and address, when I access it, the  it will tries to refresh.
They can apply this to their Office, if the document not yet been save, the OS can save as temporary file in permanent storage; so even after we restart the device or crash (somehow), everything will still be in tact, just like our desktop version office.
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Yeah, very true that this method of OS management gives more stability. So I wish that Nokia gave me a switch to toggle autokill apps when not enough memory in N9. Hehehe!

Well, improvements are always coming so that kind of feature in their Office app might happen in the next few updates. The improvements in Office from the ori WP7 they say was huge. It was very very buggy in the ori WP7.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 29 2012, 02:37 PM)
LoL! But during N8 time, when I notice this issue, I check with my colleague's Samsung Wave, there's no banding issue, his display was smooth and more clear. I guess the one on N8 might be older or also maybe due to the resolution?
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Oh, didn't realise Samsung Wave was using AMOLED. Anyway, most of the complaints seem to be on Samsung Omnia 7 & Samsung Focus. A good example is here.
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QUOTE(Kazuki @ Mar 30 2012, 11:38 AM)
Update from tgalal on porting of Whatsapp to N9!
Look at the last post!
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Super news!!! Very exciting times for our N9

QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 11:44 AM)
How to set update feeds to manual? Is there a 'one switch' that does that?
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There are options under Applications/Feeds. No there's no 'one switch' to do all these. U have to go in configure them yourself for whichever service you want to auto update or not.
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Mar 30 2012, 12:15 PM)
If you switch it off, what about emails?
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What Andy means is that u can go into an account like Facebook, disable chat. Or go into Gmail, disable chat. That will not affect your contacts or your email.

Update: Oh wait in Facebook, Contacts & chat are tied together. Haha!

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QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)
Sure, but you might find it very long and you may read many of my "personal" view, so not those general review.

My Nokia N9 version:
http://214impressions.blogspot.com/2011/10...mpressions.html
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I just finished reading your review, now can answer your post. laugh.gif

Really long oh. But it's good stuff. Seldom see people write reviews like this so once in a blue moon have comprehensive also good. thumbup.gif

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)
Thanks for the link, really weird, some of their devices/display have no issues, while some have, they should have more standard.
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I think they reserved the best AMOLED displays for their best devices, Galaxy S & Wave. The rest like Omnia 7 & other manufacturers that buy from them gets the 2nd class ones. It's business what to do.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Mar 30 2012, 09:35 AM)
To me, I'll be fair, both N9 and Lumia is works well and have good performance, smoothness, reliability and stability. Lumia is better, no doubt; Just like what I've said before, it's built to achieve this, so it surely will be better, just by how much and how important is it to people.
Not everyone wants the FASTEST phone, similarly, not everyone wants the most POWERFUL phone, etc.
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Well said! Can't agree more with that.

Anyway, as a user of both N8 & N9 at the same time, I'll add a bit on the N9 WIFI & 3G issues. My N9 is my main phone now with data line while my N8 is my 2nd phone for family calls.

1) WIFI reception on N9 is weaker compared to my N8. I can sit in a coffee shop, whip out both phones, open WIFI scanning & see my N8 show a list of available WIFI that is at least twice as many that is shown on my N9. This is repeatable anywhere I go. When connected to the same WIFI, the N9 also shows less signal strength compared to the N8 and sometimes can lost connection if the WIFI signal is weak but my N8 stays connected.

2) I sit in a room at my work place that is a bit isolated from outside so mobile signals are pretty weak in my room. I generally get around 2 bars on my N8 & N9, though most of the time it's just 1 bar on N9. I use DiGi by the way on both phones. This is normally not an issue until I have to reply something on the phone. At least on my N8 I can type & reply sms without DiGi line disappearing from my phone but not on my N9. Just holding it in portrait orientation & typing is enough to kill signal. I then proceed to finish typing, the put my N9 on table, wait around 1/2 a min for it to get back signal, then press send. But I did find a better way, hold the phone in landscape orientation & signal won't die. Apparently, the mobile antenna is located near the bottom of the phone, slightly above the speaker. So holding the phone in portrait orientation with your hands covering the bottom half will cause signal issue, not a big issue when signal is strong or good, but can be very frustrating when you're in a place with poor signal.

Disclaimer: This is just my observation on using both my phones. Please don't shoot me saying things like I don't know how to use a phone. icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(Optiplex330 @ Apr 1 2012, 11:01 PM)
Not when you want to use the Favorites. It will be super super lagging.

Found another problem. When downloading huge maps data of a 200MB using MAPS, it will freeze (showing....starting) but nothing got downloaded and sucking battery life.

The only way out is to exit Maps and then re-enter to continue downloading where it left off. For a size of 200MB, you have to repeat the exit-reenter at least a dozen time. Maps in N9 is simply a piece of junk.


Added on April 2, 2012, 12:09 amHow to force N9 to use Wifi instead of Telco data when wifi is available? Where are the priority setting?
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I agree Favourites in Maps is very laggy. Seems to be the one part they forgot to put GUI acceleration in. I've also hit the problem with maps not downloading once but u can solve it by restarting the phone.

There's no priority setting in N9 like in N8. Just go into Internet Connection, Edit Networks, select the WIFI u wanna use & enable Use Automatically.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Apr 2 2012, 09:53 AM)
Thanks, since those common review we can find anywhere, and in-depth review, GSMArena has done very detail with detail testing; and I'm not a reviewer, so I decided to write like a blog for what I personally feel and want to talk about the phone, rather than general review. For MeeGo, there's lots to share (even more for Maemo), plus, it'll most likely the only MeeGo device in the market (or MeeGo Harmattan), and it's like a introduction to a competely new OS.

For the Nokia Lumia 800 though, it'll be worst but I've edited a lot, but still very long. LoLx

Anyway, I've done the video on the Multi-Tasking; Not sure if my findings are 100% accurate or not, have been re-writing and re-do for this part few times.
» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «

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Nice vid u did there. Though I understand you're trying to find a consistent behavior in the Multi-tasking model, I feel that most users will find it confusing. Hehe!

The one thing I feel you forgot to show is that how jumping around a few open apps affects the queue & what will be closed when there's not enough memory. This one will show how it doesn't follow FIFO rules, instead your least used app will go poof!

Quite honestly after using so many phone OS, I've never used one that will prompt you if you wanna close an app when memory is running out. Besides, a prompt that shows up each time like this will annoy the crap out of most users so yes it's better to have option to turn it off if available. A good example is Symbian OS, there's just too many prompts showing up that is not needed, gets in the way & just pisses me off. Luckily with Nokia Belle, they are all almost gone.

QUOTE(Andy214 @ Apr 2 2012, 09:53 AM)
True, if compared with N8, N900, and some devices, it's weaker. But I compared with my iPod Touch and other people's iPhone3 and iPhone4, seems N9 was better, at last it didn't disconnect. From my room, it was weak signal, other phones were also in 1 bar. The N9 still have no issue, even update to latest PR1.2.
I only have problem when the first time I try to DETECT and connect, it cannot detect as no signal, once I acquired the signal and connect and remembered, I have not face any problem so far (touchwood).
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Actually I'm wondering if you used your iPod Touch with iOS 3.xx before? As I was using 2nd Gen iPod Touch I was using it since iOS 2.xx & signal has been great. Upgraded to iOS 3.xx also was fine, no signal issues. But upgrading to iOS 4.xx turned my iPod Touch into a horrible device with signal strength & batt life issues. Though some ppl might say my batt life issues are becoz my device is so old, I beg to differ. It was fine right before I upgraded to iOS 4 & has been horrible since upgrade. Signal strength was a joke, I can be beside my router & it shows 1 bar!!! It's really random & only happened after iOS 4. Later versions of iOS 4 did fix it a bit but it's still nowhere near the kind of signal strength I got when I was using iOS 3.xx.

Honestly my N9 haven't got much issue connecting to WIFI networks it remembers, just that it's range is not as good. I'm quite disappointed with it since it's body is poly carbonate which doesn't interfere with signals, while my N8 is made of aluminium which interferes with signals. I was expecting better than my N8 performance.

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