actually i won't recommend this N9 tweak, anything goes wrong with ur phone, u need to reformat it, even it has the restore setting option, it doesn't show much help. 

I rather script every tweak 1 by 1.. its safer & u know what u r doing.

Camera wise I don't think there is enough difference between N9 and Lumia 800 to base your decision on.

However the audio quality of N9 is great while that of Lumia 800 through headphones is very poor with no bass and muddy sound. If you listen to music on your phone this will be a deal breaker.
http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Nok...p/1236759#M1973

There is already a good FM radio app for N9 with presets.

Hey guy, Calligra (MS Office editor) is coming to N9 soon!
http://everythingn9.com/calligra-active-on-n9/

Can you play Farmville on N9 or any smartphone for that matter?

Can the N9 tether? Got inbuilt program or apps available?

Not even Andriod?

Firefoxx 11.0.0.1 is available now in nokia store.....
no update in 'update  application '...weird

Interesting debates, I'm sooooo impressed by you guys that managed to type so well,
even longer than my thesis lol
(Not teasing, pure admiring, purposely login to say this lol)

This is why as Andy said WP is not suitable for many people like aunties and uncles who don't have hotmail, Windows Live ID or Cloud services. Many of them don't even have a PC to run Zune and with internet access. It's just like file transfer between phones. Using bluetooth is direct and easy. Using email means both sender and receiver need email a/c and data connection. Why make things so complicated and the ownership requirement so high? Just because Apple does it is not a good reason.

Now Nokia Drive offline mode is just released for Lumia. Why so late? N9 had it from day 1. Looks like Lumia is a rushed job for Nokia. The audio quality of Lumia 800 was disastrous until Nokia recently issued an update. Poor Lumia users had to wait 4 months for this.

No matter how I see it, I don't see how is Windows Phone OS a better choice if Symbian is the burning platform.
There're Androids, and the highly potential MeeGo.

The reason like only 1 MeeGo device in 2012. It's not valid, it's not like they released many Windows Phone in 2012? And to prove further, they didn't launch N9 in US? And upcoming 808?

Is there is a burning platform for Nokia, it will be the Windows Phone OS as it will affect many of their users.
Despite having many problems with Symbian, there still many people using it especially those that has been loyal and sticking to Nokia. Choosing Windows Phone, is like taking a big risk, trying to gain new (which is not stable) and risk loosing many of their highly potential loyal customers.

But then, it's more like depending on Microsoft, whether they decide to open up, loosen up, remove the restrictions and limitations, make it like how a smartphone OS should be.
It has great features like People Hub and Office integration. Even if people don't use it, there is a CHOICE/OPTION not to use it because IT'S AVAILABLE.
Unlike Bluetooth File Transfer, ZUNE reliane, and other restrictions and limitations... people have NO CHOICE/OPTION, they are FORCED to adapt.

So is MS and Nokia content to cater to a niche market? What about all the talk of being a 3rd ecosystem?
Yes, it's great to Lumia users that offline mode and better audio quality are here now after 4 months but not everybody are so patient. In Europe the return rate of Lumia is so high that salespeople don't even want to push Lumia anymore. In Finland itself, the home of Nokia an independent survey shows that 8 out of 10 salesmen will bring out another phone even when customers specifically ask for Lumia.
So Symbian is going off into the sunset but this doesn't mean WP7 is the right platform to replace it. If Nokia had put its weight behind MeeGo instead of treating it like an unloved stepchild things may be different.

Even if they decide to go with Windows Phone OS, there's no need to drop Symbian. The truth quite ugly, how fast Symbian will be drop very soon... sooner than expected, but hope the market response will wake them up and put back Symbian in-line.
They should only decide on Symbian future when their Windows Phone OS has stabilize. It's like running 2 tap water, until Lumia is stable and people have no problem switching and are satisfied, then you can safely decide on the future of Symbian. If software, I think you also know this phase. But they announce much earlier, they don't even know if their users can adapt to Windows Phone. It's like forcing people to adapt or "leave". Well, if the product is really that good, they can do that.

Just like the article mentioned, which I think it's an important point
1 to 1.
Can Windows Phone OS gain back 1 to 1 of Symbian? Or AT LEAST like say 80%?
Now it's just the beginning of Windows Phone, they're already loosing many Symbian customers? That alone is in UK market? Where they were more convince about their Windows Phone?

The 1 to 1 or maintaining current Symbian users is also what I wanted to highlight to my previous debate; It's not right to just tell the current Symbian users, it's not for you, go leave. Bloggers can write that because it's not their business.
For Nokia, these are their customers, can they afford to loose all these customer and tell them, don't like leave "lah", don't buy? Not for you? It's easy for bloggers to write, but it's not this way to tell customer, moreover, it's the CURRENT users. Like I said few times before, this strategy to gain new customer (which is unstable), but can they risk to loosing their CURRENT LOYAL STABLE LONG-TERM Customers?

The thing is, Nokia can have 2 OS if they want. Then everybody happy,thry can try get back some from western market while maintaining the existing customers.
If look at nokia support discussions, even those from europe, japan complain abt the zune, skydrive and increased data rates. 1st question ppl ask, 'if nokia pay for my monthly data usage than can consider all this skydrive'.
As for iphone, studies have shown iphone users very loyal to iphone. Latest from my nokia blog is iphone users 90% remain with iphone

because of the money they spend on buying apps, i suppose. For me it's the same, i spend money to buy quite a number of apps too, thinking that i would lost all of them if i move to Android.. sometimes just saddens me

honestly, i agree on the above when you guys said that Lumia 800 and 710 are rushed, look at the Wifi hotspot feature, recently announced and will have update, Maps too, you check on the Lumia 900 prototype unit and the Nokia Maps they are running from, you will know that there are still MANY features that are yet to be included into the phone. Right now, that phone is just a toy that has basic features, whereby N9? optimized, but lacking of apps. Honestly, if only N9 have at least whatsapp, this phone will still be selling well.

1.9% global market share for WP7 as at Q42011 is a niche market. We are looking at market share to determine whether a platform is popular or not. Actual numbers have no meaning without relating to the total.

This is the link about Lumia returns.

Why does Elop have to put a cutoff date for Symbian? Once you put a cutoff date users will migrate and new users will think twice. This is a blunder from the CEO who is too anxious to push to WP7.

Unfortunately WP7 can never directly replace Symbian in developing countries unless they change the whole design philosophy to remove its dependence on Zune and online services. This is not within Nokia's control. There is no transition from Symbian to WP7 going on, Nokia is losing Symbian users to other platforms.

Actually, I mentioned this quite long ago and suggested to Nokia before, they should have plans like porting the purchases to new OS platform when they switch, or at least give some rebates, discount or something like that.

It's simple. If I've been supporting Nokia with Symbian, now Nokia wishes me to adapt to Windows Phone. Why should I switch if I'm loosing everything and starts fresh? When I can... venture into Android or iOS with better games and less problems. With iOS, I don't have to worry about Apple dropping iOS? With Android, I can easily switch to Samseng, HTC, LG, etc. and my purchases still there.
It's not optimize, but I feel it's more stable and reliable than Symbian. At least for me; when I need to make a call ANYTIME, I can rely on N9 anytime and it's easy and fast to access to calls or SMS. But Symbian sometimes it can be slow a bit to respond, Android is the worst....

I won't blame MeeGo much, but Nokia in not putting enough effort and manpower. It's just like Maemo, it has so much potential, a powerful Linux OS in a mobile device, with flexible Desktop (not your typical homescreen), flexible customizable widgets (e.g. Queen Beacon Widgets), excellent browser where you can activate mouse icon, and just so much more. If you use it, and look at the development update progress, it's very clear that they're not putting enough effort and manpower to this. Maemo and MeeGo is like their backup, adopted baby, thus not given enough attention.

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Added on March 21, 2012, 12:50 pm

Yup, that's what I also said previously, go multi-platform. But their plans of going purely Windows Phone OS is suspicious. Abandon their MeeGo project despite invested so much? And Symbian despite their Belle has shown improvements and some users are actually happy with it?
Choose WP instead when most preferred Android?
It's all just doesn't make sense and too suspicious; Hence, back then when the partnership was announced, rumors circulating was, "infiltrate and attack from the inside and finally..."

nope, it is optimized. Optimized = drawing more performance from the chip. Previously, Symbian 3 was not optimized, you see lagging here and there, whereby you don't see much lags on N9, not as far as i experienced.
as for what you are saying, it's stability. I have to say, it's a brand new OS coming to the market, and sadly, there aren't many users as other phones to give a more progressive and useful bug report, so yeah, for now, i think stability wise it's still incomparable with some other OS, but over the time it will catch up. BTW i'm more concern on Android on N9, that will really make me interested in it, again. As of now Meego aint really attractive to me apart of the smoothness and the swipe gestures

yes i do mean that, and to me Belle is very optimized. But, there're always room for improvement (greedy consumer mindset).  IMO Windows phone will sell, BUT, only if they allow the device to be plugged in as a media device, which allow easy drag and drop for picture/songs etc, and allow pictures, audio note to be shared through wireless connections like Bluetooth. All these are already available in other nokia devices but the Lumia. Sure, recent updates brings offline navigation, which IMO is not bad, but does it allow us to adjust the route setting? (faster route, shorter route, allow toll roads, etc)
without those, we are pretty much being screwed with only the default options. We might ended up spending toll money, when there are some other route that uses same time but doesnt require tolls.
there are so so much more.. in short term, WP will not sell well, we'll have to see how Apollo change the game, but personally I won't be putting high hope on that

N9 has 1GB amount of ram. I think it will be a plus point as I notice Android consume and requires a lot of ram. SE doesn't have dual core device until recently, their Androids only packs 512MB of ram and is suffering, especially when you customize the homescreen and install more services. It frequently restarts the launcher, etc. I hate when the OS gets too smart in killing apps, but there's just not enough ram.

As a phone, one thing is should do it, the basic phone feature and home should always easily accessible. When we press HOME, it should immediately go back, just like iPhone, it doesn't matter if the apps lag or not; Manufacturer's need to know the priority of a phone is the phone function, and also the home, we should easily go back to home and easily access to our contacts and make phone calls, etc.
Most people complains is when they receive a call when they're doing something and the phone just lags and cannot respond immediately, or when they want to make calls half way or access SMS, it lags and respond slow. These are the critical and most important factors.

Yes, Nokia is "PaiKia", Samsung is "Samseng Kia", hehehe.
and now we have Lumia
S: Ni hp ape?
N: Ni Nokia Lumia.
S: Bukan I mia lah, I tanya ni hp ape?
N: Betul lah tu! Ni Nokia Lumia lah...
S: Bukan la, I guna Samseng mia.
N: #@#@#$%#...

Yeap, it's pointless, it's just to release our "unhappiness" lol
Anyway, for bloggers and reviewers, what they write can become important especially when their blogs or article are famous, so what they write can really contribute to the decision or changes. Hence, why I state that they should be considerate and think more about everyone; For this case, Nokia, they should consider current users most importantly, not asking them to leave or say things like, it's not suitable for them; more so, when these things are actually easily solvable. It's just requires Microsoft attention and take a "small" action. These are not major change or something serious, it's a simple modification of feature, and it doesn't take a lot of effort at all, just a matter of "management decision".

actually, believe or not, iOS also has phone lags, for instance, when you got a phone call, sometimes the "slide to answer" doesnt work, you slide your finger across the screen, but the touch input is not detected.
Sometimes, after sliding to end(phone answered), the screen will hang there will the slider at the right edge of the slider, meaning slider to answer edi, and wait around 3-5 seconds only change to the typical phone call screen.
there are also times when you wanna call, you press on the contact, it will highlight the contact on touch, hang there few seconds, then only start calling.

when you screen is not locked, you get the "Answer" and "reject" button. my experience is that there are times when you press answer, the phone also takes few seconds to respond. and upon hanging up the phone call(press cancel button ) it will hang there will all the button shaded, longest i seen was around 1 minute hang on my gf's phone. and some of this happens rarely, while some of these happens on daily basis.

Message, no complain, apart from it lags the application to death.

I believe what your friend complain on the lag, is when the message come and the notification shows. 3-5 seconds before the notification shows, your game will drop to slideshow speed, then show the notification, then suddenly run smooth again, and recent experience, my character fell into a hole in Temple Run. all these are common stuffs on smartphone, but as far as i can recall, Symbian was the best in this, it doesnt have very noticeable performance drop

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Added on March 21, 2012, 4:03 pm

the thing about 808, i suspect it will come out at RM2200 RRP
overly high pricing to make other premium Lumia phone look like they are better deals

yeah, seriously, samo almost beat my high score
talking about lagging, notification on android also sometimes have that issue on my tablet, say when email come, it will also stutter a bit. I guess memory management wise, really, nothing beats Symbian now.
Nokia, did u saw what i just type? yes, Symbian today = WP at 2014 at least, u sure u can ensure that long?
i was hoping to have most the major OS devices out there so that i can compare on the OS without being bias. I seen many people complaining about this or that just by hearing some of the user feedback, where most cases are really, users' fault, haha. Although my android device is a tablet and i wasn't able to test anything on the SMS/Call part, the notification part is also having rather similar lagging as on the iOS

It's good because it limit what you can run and use. Which is OK for me, but NOT be too smart to close the app for me without asking my permission. Where are the manners? Imagine if the app is a word document which I've type very long?
Similarly, IE tabs only allows up to 6 tabs, if you click on the link and open in new tab, the smart OS will decide to close the first tab for you. Again, no manners.

It should:
1. Ask user if they choose continue/OK, which app/tab will be closed, or cancel it.
2. Some people will say, "aiyah, this is annoying". But think further, this can be set as option in settings, "always ask" or auto-close, etc.

They can push it to 8, but here's the catch, device with not enough ram may not support it.
Just as 256MB ram, will not be able to support 5 apps multi-tasking and there is a limit to how many ram is allocated to each task, if not wrong, below 90MB? Again, this overly smart OS will decide to close for you without asking because the OS is a smart OS, and it consider the user as a dumb user 
So, although Lumia 800 have 512MB is enough, but more is always better, it means ready for future requirements.

Anyway, hope MS will implement something like above, the options.

Already read this slightly earlier, doesn't seems any useful. We should think about Nokia current customers.
As previous article by Kenny, can Nokia gain back it's customer 1 to 1?
They already lost 1/3 of their customer since Lumia, in UK alone, where they have higher hopes for Windows Phone OS?

In Asia, there're many customer who may not be able to adopt with the restrictions and limitations (not just Asia actually). Note, I did not mention changes. People can try new ones, but not at the expense of inconveniences, frustration and unhappiness.
If you take some time to read through the article Kenny posted, you will read about more interesting point.
The above article, never seems to touch what may draw customer away and how to improve Windows Phone sales, it's more like a believe that it will success. To success, means you need to make sure your customer are happy/satisfied and have as little complain as possible. At current rate, it's already pretty bad, but mainly it can be resolved if Microsoft could just open up, loosen up, remove these restrictions and limitations, make a true smartphone  OS. The stability and reliability is great, the People Hub and Office Integration is amazing, but they need to take care of the little things that can be what turns people down/away.

No, but other OS, so far it won't close for you except Android which is also annoying. I type half way, go back, it's restarted. Windows Phone OS worst, where's my app? Missing from the multi-tasking view.

Other phones like Symbian, Maemo, MeeGo, it doesn't close for you; but because no restriction on how many you can open, it can affect the performance on Maemo and MeeGo especially. Not sure about Symbian as I never tried it before.

Windows Phone doesn't allow open anymore tab when there is already 6, the "+" tab is disabled, but you can clikc on a click to open in new tab.
Actually no big issue, MS can easily add in an option for user to decide or just use AUTO (or "recommended" settings). This is like "things to improve" feature.

Push 8 apps, maybe depend on the ram consumption on each app, as with 256mb device, there's a limitation on ram for each app, if exceed if not wrong it will close it. But that's the limitations, who ask the manufacturer to skimp on ram. Like Lumia 800, it could have 1GB ram like the N9, but the decide to give less since it meet the requirement. But nothing serious, 512MB is fine, it works well, no complains; it's just "nice to have" more and getting more value for what you pay (including for future requirement).

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Added on March 21, 2012, 5:43 pm

Nah, didn't say she's helping Nokia improve sales; Just saying she's a believer that Windows Phone can success; Initially I believe too when it was first announce they will revamp Windows Mobile and emphasize on Social Networks integration, back then I've experience SNS in N900 so I know how appealing it is, but I never thought they will put in limitations and restrictions, moreover from Microsoft.

As I said, if the product wants to be more successful, we need to identify early, what can turns people down or off, and can it be avoided? In this case, YES. But seem they didn't and go ahead with the restrictions and limitations, which have no good reasons as now they have to face many complains and unsatisfied customers.

Anyway, it's her point of view and how she felt about the phone. For me, I can live without bluetooth file transfer, but as I said, it's not about me; moreover, why remove this feature when it can cause many unsatisfied customers.

As a reviewer (especially famous one), it will be helpful if they write about these restrictions and limitations, because it will take more attention and awareness of Nokia and Microsoft. For us, we can write thousands of times and it may not get any attention or priority.

This girl published a review of her Lumia 800 a mere 24 hrs after getting her phone. She hasn't even used it in-depth yet. She also got her Lumia free and the main thing she went ga-ga over was the colour. Here is a review by a real user who bought his own Lumia 800, used it for 1 month and said goodbye.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/...mia-800-goodbye