Yes, N9 and Lumia 800 speaker is soft. Lumia 800 is far worst.

And it comes with Monsters Headset or IEM for early birds promotion.

It's still usable, also usable using Nokia Drive, unless your car's NVH and soundproofing is really bad.

N8 speaker is at the back, if you turn it around, it will sound much louder, but if covered, it can be quite soft or very soft.

808? Hehe...

Actually got, N9 got the N9 Ninjas ma, you didn't go hunt them? I like the Shuriken, and you can also get a chance to win the Nokia N9, and upon collecting your Shuriken, you will be greeted by a hot chick in sexy outfit. Ooops... I mean, she is holding a beautiful N9 and ask you to try it.

The Lumia may receive even harder marketing because Windows Phone will be their primary OS now, so they need to get attention and people to experience and like it.
N9 they only need it when they launch to get it sell up to at least their target I suppose.
It's a business after all, but N9 is a good device; Personally, I don't simply recommend to anyone blindly, it depends on what they need and want and will they be satisfied and enjoy the device.

Right now, Windows Phone is inevitable, Nokia already go down this path. Only thing is, can Nokia change MS mind to make their OS less restrictive, more flexible and customizable? With current restrictions and limitations, my personal opinion, I believe it will greatly impact many Nokia loyal customers, although they may gain new along the way. Is it worth the risk?
Why not maintain the old as much as possible while gaining new (not to mention more)?

For Apple, what it first strike people is the smoothness; No other smartphones have this.
But then, there's the limitation and restrictions; but the tons of apps/games sort of make up for it plus, there is jailbreaking later.

As for Nokia Symbian, I primarily blame Nokia on going cheap on the hardware, especially the RAM and internal memory; I guess most of us knew that the main problem with most Nokia Symbian device is the lack of ram and internal memory, especially N97 (the mini version have larger memory).
But in terms of phone capability, Symbian is better than iOS anyday; It has better contact book features/function as well as messaging.

For iPhone, it's an media device (iPod Touch) with phone; so generally, it's a very simple, straightforward easy to use device. Compare a media player with a mobile computer, most people have no problems using a media player.


The problem with most company is: Why choose only one when you can do both?
Maintain the old and get more NEW. They should already familiar and use the Windows Phone before, so they ownself should know the drawbacks (especially comparing what they currently have). They should push those MS to implement or provide solutions for those drawbacks before launching the device in order to minimize losses at the same time attract the new.

Now, I wonder how many new they can attract; Yes, they're louder and easier to influence, but at the same time, they can be very damaging; If they use and hated the restrictions and limitations, they can also be very loud to spread the drawbacks, and suggest to get an iPhone instead since both have similar restrictions and limitations.
New and Young is also more exposed and familiar with other OS, so they may have taste more; What makes it unique and special that Windows Phone OS compared to the rest?
Smoothness and Reliability, iPhone has it and it's more attractive phone and preferred choice to most people.
It looses to Android on the flexibility, customizations and freedom.
I may attract people who are:
1. Microsoft supporter?
2. Actually prefer the Live Tiles and UI and UX. But many people seems to consider it dull and boring, it's 2D flat look. Many people actually wants more options for customization or wallpaper options, interactive themes, etc.
3. Really into social networking and thus, the People Hub.

There maybe some people who like the speed/performance, but actually, I think iPhone is more simple with only 1 GOD button, 1 button to rule them all. Anything just press home.
Windows Phone more confusing and complicated with the 3 button, especially the back and windows button.
Back to go back-back-back until first then CLOSE. Windows button is like home button, it pauses the app on the background. Sometimes, press wrongly, accidentally CLOSE the app instead of pausing the app in the background, Ooops. And the annoying search button. People may not use or want it, so the button can be useless; what's more, accidentally pressing that, you will meet Mr. Bing again... and again... and again...
In terms of simplicity, iPhone does better in this department.

I like Windows Mobile, but was disappointed with this one as it didn't seem they make a mobile version of Windows, instead, it's like a very restrictive and controlled OS which is not the traits of Microsoft.
One thing I really like is the People Hub, but it still have much things to improve on.

Well, it they actually make a mobile version of Windows then it's different story. This is no where close.
Same goes for Apple, imagine if the actually develop a mobile version of their Mac OS, instead of using the iPod Touch media OS.

Yes, the main OS.
Don't say primary, even secondary or extra OS, also they don't want; MeeGo was killed before it was fully born/develop.

If Nokia has to find another OS to save them, why Windows Phone instead of Android? How do they justify Windows Phone is better than Android especially back then when Windows Phone isn't even mature yet?
Why need to kill MeeGo? How do they know MeeGo won't be successful? Why aren't they pushing and putting enough effort on MeeGo? It's pretty obvious how great is MeeGo OS especially with the swipe gesture. It can easily outclass the other OS, it has the smoothness on iPhone, yet it has the flexbility and power of Android. What it needs, is good source of apps and games. I don't see any good reason they should drop MeeGo?
Elop says by end of last year, they will only have 1 MeeGo device. So? Make more. They can come out with Lumia 900, which means it can run MeeGo as well. Why Windows Phone? Not like they can launch few Windows Phone last year? I still don't get it. This year, they could've launch many MeeGo phone if they stick to it, so what's the difference by dropping and using Windows Phone OS? It doesn't make the pace any faster? And now they gotta pay Microsoft? And have little control over what the OS can do? I really don't get the logic here.

Restriction also gets on people nerve especially the ability to send files, but there is jailbreak, or they simply don't share. The iTunes also issue, but they have no choice, it's just like buying a branded protected media player which you have to rely on the software to transfer the "content" (means controlled files).
One thing for sure, those providing jailbreak and Cydia is the real genius, not Apple not Jobs.
Plus, there is many nice apps/games for iPhone; everyone wants them, and it's easily to use, with ONE button to RULE THEM ALL. No sweat, playing heavy games half way, just press the GODLY HOME button, and you're back to menu and you can access and make phone calls with no lag whatsoever.
Other smartphones back then,... gosh... lolz; it's like you're playing a performance game on a low spec (especially ram) computer utilizing high virtual memory, then you press ALT+TAB to go back to the Desktop...

iPhone camera maybe not spectacular, but you gotta give credit to them for make it smooth and easy to use, plus the nice "shutter" effect animation. People will prefer fast, smooth and easy to use camera (plus more fun) than slow and laggy camera, even if the quality is better.

Another problem with MeeGo, many leak news about it will be killed long before it was launch, MeeGo project abandon.... etc... Who wants to get N9 then? If N9 didn't become successful, it's also because of them, not the OS. Passing the N9 device for review previously, I dare to say, everyone likes it; from iPhone to Android users. It's full of positive impressions, it's just lack of apps/games (and also a proper homescreen, but if it's in-house Nokia, it's possible for them to add it if there is high demand).
Another obvious point is Nokia Malaysia Facebook page, how many people are excited with N9, and see what happen to Nokia's Lumia now.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 12 2012, 05:01 PM

The main question, how many people actually use it or utilize it? It cannot be customize, so it's useless to many and it's annoying when you can easily accidentally pressed it on the Lumia 800 which is not a hardware button, you'll occasionaly meet Mr. Bing on and off, "Oh Hello Bing? You again?"


But not everyone uses the low end devices, many of them still using high end Symbians despite they don't utilizes it, mainly for the higher spec, display, design, camera, etc.
Example: My uncle uses the N8, but he doesn't surf net, he doesn't have data plan, he doesn't connect the phone to the PC. But he does take photo and transfer files to his friends or relatives. He's been an all time Nokia user.
If Windows Phone failed him and no more options, where to go? Now think about many other of these users.
Some may be able to adapt, but how many?
BUT, luckily and thankfully the 808 PureView will still be running the Symbian...

What search key on Android?
Android have "Back", "Home" and the third one is not search key, it's a Menu key, which I find it much more useful and wanted it on the Windows Phone.
On the Windows Phone, you have to press the "..." at the bottom right, if there is not "..." means no options and you're stuck, means there's nothing you can do there. I feel this many times, even my friend who review it, looking for the menu, then I said here no menu.

Simple; People want the latest or new. Symbian is old. These people I would classify as "wants" not "need" or doesn't understand or know better, or simply, wants a reason to bash the 808 PureView.
They didn't exactly state reasons for using Windows Phone OS or why is it better, their comments is mostly plain and blant.


No idea how it will look and how it will work; but I still doubt it because there's no reason to drop MeeGo or other OS, it seems more like there's something else going on.
Yunno, when Elop joins and there're already rumors, and when he kills off one by one and announce WP, the rumors become more accurate. Infiltrate and attack from the inside.. and then....
Who knows, just rumors.

If they drop it, I think it's proven it's pretty useless, LoL.
My friend using HTC, I checked with him, he also never use it.
It maybe personal preference, but I think majority may find it useless, thus it's better to allow user to customize.

Not sure if it's Symbian, but even my friend's who's been using the Milestone since it first launch, when he use the Windows Phone, in some screen, he was asking how to get the menu/option. There's no such button, have to look for "..." at the bottom right of the screen.

Anyway, among all the phones I used, I never really have any problem; except this Windows Phone, because I really find the search key, not really useful and since it's not a physical hardware button, it's easily accidentally press. The Lumia 710 is physical button, so you may not experience it so often; on the Lumix 800, if your hand just slip or accidentally "molested" it, then "Hello Bing!"

For Windows Phone, probably the Menu button is useless in the Live Tiles screen (but actually it can be useful when they allow user to customize the Live Tiles more, user can hit the menu button and access the menu options).
In many other screen, the menu/option is very useful, I've been using it on the Android, whether viewing photo, in FB app, or whatever. There's no "..." button hidden on the bottom right like Android. So I don't think it's a Symbian thing.
If you're viewing a photo in FB app, and you want to access option, in Windows Phone, you have to see whether there is this "..." sign on the bottom right. With most other phones, you use the menu/option button; There is usually nothing on the screen.

As I said, it's a personal preference, whether on screen on or hardware key, it's just a matter of getting used to, just like iPhone only have 1 button to rule them all, and N9 have button-less.
I have no problem with N9 anyway, but why Windows Phone? Because I find the Search button hardly use by many; If given choice, I rather customize it to another usage; I want search, I can add a shortcut in the Live Tiles, which I think many might prefer, but I doub't they wouldn't even bother to put in the Live Tiles.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 13 2012, 09:26 AM

Haha, I guess it's because the button is not physical, it's on the display itself, so you can easily accidentally "molested" it while using and Mr. Bing will come and find you "You call me again?"
Even my friend testing the phone, he also accidentally called Mr. Bing, lol.

It can take some time to get used to and when it happen less, it'll be less irritating; possibly starting to miss Mr. Bing also that time, hahaha

How much is it?

If it same or more expensive than AP set? If yes, better get AP set as there will be warranty.
Just FYI, AP set is original, Zitron or Avaxx set should be called Authorized set/unit. All are original.

TS? LoL

Anyway, As Kenny mentioned, it's 16GB.
RM1,499 is hard to sell especially one can get AP Unit.

Anyway, the one letting go at 1K, is possible but need to becareful if there is any problem or stolen unit.

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Added on March 14, 2012, 11:59 amOnly, it's currently only in SG, Nokia SG even posted about it today since today is the "White" day in Japan.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 14 2012, 11:59 AM

I think got AP set, but check the price different, may not be worth it.

You can try:
x132755
or
nicholasbeh

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 15 2012, 12:47 PM

You're using both the N9 and Lumia 800?

Sorry, mistaken with another user, lol.


It depends; can't directly compare with iPhone, which have simple OS.
The N9, depending what you have customize or set. If you have accounts set up, when you connect to Wi-Fi, these service will start to set Online status for you, FB/Twitter/etc and Mail services will starts to get updates, etc.

Camera wise, in terms of features, both has pros and cons; In terms of quality, it seems Lumia 800 has the edge, you can see from shifu aspire's shot. I read the the Lumia 800 have new chipset, but in low light, GSMArena mentioned that N9's noise reduction engine is better.
Usage wise, Lumia 800 has the shutter key, so it's more convenient and has the advantage here BUT I notice one problem with the Lumia 800; It tends to focus to the background if the subject is not big enough, the Focus Point Area is VERY big and WIDE, so even you shooting a person you need to get close else, you will see the background is in focus instead. It may not be obvious on the small screen and to untrained eyes, but if you look carefully, and zoom in, you can see it always focus on the background. This is annoying as all my shots turn out like this, hope this issue is fixed in the next update.
The video auto-focus also has flaw on the Lumia 800, it hunts and focus very slow, if the subject is moving, it virtually cannot focus; Many people thought there is problem or but, need to restart or swith off and on the auto-focus in video mode, but actually if you point to a static non-moving object, after a while it will focus.

Is there difference between the display?I read GSMArena, Lumia 800 also has Anti-Glare Polariser, it's meant to reduce reflection.

ADDED: Nokia N9 display is brighter by up to 50%.

Some googling reveal this:

Clear Black Display is Anti-Glare Polariser layer added.

"ClearBlack display isn’t a completely new type of display technology like AMOLED. It’s actually a method to reduce reflections on the screen and improve visual image quality, especially outdoors."

"The effect of the ClearBlack display technology is similar to that produced by a pair of polarising sunglasses. If you look at a body of water on a sunny day without a pair of polarising glasses, it’s really hard to see anything below the surface, but with the glasses on, the reflections are eliminated and you can see underneath the surface. "

"In the same way, without ClearBlack display, you see the reflections on the phone’s screen, but with it you see the image on the screen. However, unlike sunglasses, ClearBlack display improves the vividness of the colors: in fact, because the contrast is higher, they’ll seem more vivid."

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 16 2012, 11:31 AM

Fluid and smoothness; This part, it depends how you judge.
If we only see the surface and cover, yes; Windows Phone OS is more fluid.
But for those smartphones users especially for more technical users, we should understand its not as simple as that. Just like iOS, it's fluid because? Similar like Windows Phone, the OS is simple and very controlled, there is little service running.
For other smartphone OS, especially a true mobile computer OS, it will not be as simple as that, it's not just a mobile phone that only runs mobile phone services, it has other OS related services and other features provided for users. It up to the user how they wish to customize or they wish to make it simple.
BUT if leaving no options for user, that is a nono.

For the UI part, as I mention above, they can make it simple, but doesn't mean they have to remove what it can do.
Example:
Don't like widgets? Don't use
Don't like homescreen? Make option to turn it off, only only 1 main screen like Lumia.
So, with OPTIONS (or CHOICE), it's up to the user, they can CHOOSE between SIMPLE or COMPLEX.
BUT Windows Phone OS? Sorry, no OPTIONS or CHOICE.

By the way, I did met some hiccups on the Lumia too, so does the person who were passed on to review.
Sometimes, the black screen turns white too; but nothing serious.

For the restrictions on ZUne and bluetooth file transfer; While I agree people have no problems with iPhone, it doesn't mean there's no reason to dislike Windows Phone OS (Not Lumia or Nokia).
In my perspective, it doesn't matter if some people have no issue with the restrictions or limitations, if it's not a good thing, we need to highlight and keep feedback to Microsoft, they need to remove this restrictions and limitations. If we just accept, then we're no different that those hardcore blinded Apple fans.

This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 19 2012, 10:57 AM

Is it the full FCam?

Basically, FCam is a very powerful library for camera app, on the default FCam app, you can get manual controls like shutter speed, ISO (even above what's provided in the default, like if not wrong, there is 6400 ISO for Nokia N900, of course the quality is another story; and on Nokia N900, it allows shutter speed up to 1 second exposure).
The default FCam app is very interesting and nice to use, in N900 forum, you can see there're few DSLR users who are very impressed and enjoyed using it. It also adds vignett effects sometimes which makes it nice and the photos taken with FCam is usually way better than the default N900 camera app.
With the library, developer can develop camera app for it, such as HDR and LowLight in N900.
HDR basically does HDR, I've used it few times and loving it. I'm not talking about those over-doing HDR, I'm talking about proper HDR as in getting what we see with our eyes (e.g. Person standing in front of windows, camera usually only able to expose either the window or the person, but our eyes can see both). Many people usually mistaken HDR with those "artistic" type which is over-doing and different. I prefer the HDR which achieve high dynamic range, which camera cannot do but our eyes can.
LowLight is another app which works something like HDR (basically, it merge 2 photos) to get a better low light photo.

OK, I'm not really good in explaining, best to read it here, you can also see the HDR as what I mention, not those "artistic" HDR.
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/07/27/...light-examples/

If we judge by COVER or SURFACE --> the answer above is YES.

If we use above SIMPLE answer and judge everytime, then what for develop a powerful customizable and flexible OS? Just make it simple and ensure everything running smoothly.
The key here is to make something that is powerful, customizable and flexible, smooth and reliable. Not drop everything and make it simple to achieve the smoothness and fluidity.

A DSLR is very powerful camera, does it it, in order to make it easy for people to use, it must remove all it's capabilities? NO.
Every PROPER DESKTOP OS outthere, even MacOS, they're all capable and powerful OS, they improve and make it better everytime, but does it mean it need to make it simple and remove everything? NO
Photoshop is a very powerful and complex tool, they constantly improves and make it easier for newbie to pickup and use, improve the performance, make it smoother and faster, add in new processing engine, simplifies some feature, but does it need to remove it's capabilities? NO.

Thanks to Apple's iOS, people tend to overlook this. iOS is not a mobile version of MacOS; It's actually an OS used by the iPod Touch, the media player. Hence, why it's smooth and simple.
Instead of developing a mobile version of MacOS for smartphone, they simply use the iPod Touch.
Similarly, Windows Phone OS is no longer the original Windows Mobile which is mobile version of Windows. It more like taking the Zune player and make it into a phone like what Apple did.

With a smarpthone, it's like your computer. IF you add in customizations, widgets, install services, install this and that, runs services, then the performance of your device will be affected.
As with N9, in default factory mode, it's very smooth and hardly have any issue. But it provides many services that is always running with it's TRUE multi-tasking nature.

I didn't disagree the Windows Phone OS is smooth, just that, it cannot directly be compared to N9 as it's like something that is solely built for performance only, while N9 is for performance, flexibility and power.
Think of it as, a car built solely for SAVING FUEL, and another sports car with high power, yet easy on the fuel and nice and good handling. If we compare which car saves more fuel, it's not really fair as one of the car is solely built for saving fuel and sacrifices everything else.
If we look at the COVER or SURFACE, it's means comparing these car without knowing the details. Surely and no doubt, Windows Phone will performs smoother, there's no need to even run any test. Based on it's nature, I don't even need to test it to know.


I didn't say end of the world? Make it such way? The problem is, they DON'T have to make it such way.

I'm a software developer, I understand very well about software. No such thing a make it simple and remove everything. That in simple words, is to control, cheat and limit what user can do. What they're doing now is no different than what Apple is doing. There're many types of user, are they only targeting certain specific user?
I'm a long term user of Microsoft and also using their development products and also attended their course, they have never thought or recommendeds things like restrict or limit or control, it's always about flexibility, provide options, customization. This current Windows Phone OS is way off Microsoft's route.

What they do here is NOT disable, is completely removed. Disable is ok, but NOT removed. As I mentioned, they can make the default mode as disabled. For users who wish to have this feature, they can turn it on at their own risk and understand that it may affect the performance. Just like Flash, you can turn it off. JavaScript? You can turn it off. It's also a nature of Microsoft to allow such options. But Windows Phone OS? Sorry, so NOT Microsoft.

As I said, if we just agree with what they did, then they will continue with it since nobody or little people is complaining.

Some people may don't care about the widgets, homescreen, wallpapers, etc. BUT, we should always consider different types of user NOT forced them to accept and use, especially from GOT become NONE.

Maybe only your friends have no problem. All of my friend, young to old, have problems with it. Just a simple example: My uncle don't really use computer, you expect him to use Zune? He's using N8 and usually using high end Nokia devices. He transfer photos to friends/colleagues using bluetooth.
How can one remove the most commonly used transfer method and WANTS everybody to accept it?

Yes, no doubt, some poeple have no issue, but are you saying we should just accept and push forward this? Or should we tell Microsoft, they should consider and provide this feature?

For me, I don't support any brands, if it's not good, then it's not good, I will tell out.
Even if I have no problems with some limitations, I think about others and other possibilities as much as possible.
There're many different users, you never know what missing feature or limitations can change their mind.

If we want the product to be successful, it's not forcing people to like it, it's to try pass the message to the manufacturer so they know and understand. With big companys with multi-level, somethings, they don't even see the small little things that matters.
If the reviewers or bloggers is saying "nice things" or how others can accept it with iPhone, it gives the wrong impressions that this is OK and we should just accept it.
Just imagine those political people on top, how they judge things and make decisions.



This post has been edited by Andy214: Mar 19 2012, 01:02 PM