thread regarding DDR3 Overclocking. 1 Home 1 Easy Reference
Now for the usual bla bla bla....
Should I buy high performance RAMS or just value RAMS?QUOTE
-You should buy RAMS that contains chip that is known to overclock and not because of its name or manufacturer
I'm noob in overclocking Memory, there is a lot of options in the bios I dunno which one to change.QUOTE
-You should read before attempting an overclock, learn the basics such as Main Timing and Sub Timing. Failure to do so, its like a cobbler trying to mend a NASA Rocket.
Should I buy a Memory Fan to get better overclocking result?QUOTE
-You should put a fan blowing to the Memory only if you are running >0.5v overvolting or if the modules are hot during operation. Other than that, just PC inner enhancement.
Why always I see LYN Overclockers use brands like Team, GEIL, GSkill, OCZ, A-DATA, Elixir, Kingmax, Mushkin, Patriot, Promos, PQI, PNY, Super Talent, Twin MOS? Is it good meh? Why not use Corsair Dominator or Kingston Hyper-X for overclock?? Dominator and Hyper-X power worrr....My friend/his uncle/his friend/his brother/his cousin/his American/British/Australian/Singaporean friend said power worr!! Expensive on pricelist summore sure good and nice looking!QUOTE
-Not necessarily
Whats the best RAM for Intel i7?QUOTE
-All newer DIMM that works below 1.65v and not those >1.8v DDR3 modules used to be produced during the Core2 Quad era. - according to Intel
Whats the best RAM for AMD?QUOTE
-All newer DIMM that works below 1.65v and ALSO those >1.8v DDR3 modules used to be produced during the Core2 Quad era!
Can I use DDR2 on my DDR3 slot?QUOTE
-NO!
Are overclockers (Memory) poor or cheapskates?QUOTE
- Yes, no, yes, no
Why you say like that?! Not good weh!QUOTE
- You asked it, I just answer it.
There is always 3 camps in OC world! One is the camp of smart people who overclocks their ram according to what they know to be used (Memory CHIP/IC) on the stick PCB. These sort of people are usually old timers who is used to take a careful look on each and every module on the store shelves in search of the best chip they know to run a higher speeds or tight timing. They wont usually care for RAMS with heatspreader because the can't see whats under them unless they have absolute confirmation regarding what IC is underneath the heatspreader. Like for example, if he/she spot a KVR (Kingston Value Ram) with Elpida Hypers on the stick, they wont hesitate to purchase it right away, even though there is another spoilt rich brat next beside him bragging about his newly purchased Corsair Triple Channel 2000 C7 Dominator GT with Fan, he would just ignore him and probably laughing the hell inside his head.
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-Because with lesser money, he can get speeds that the next guy to him guaranteed to achieve. Because he reads a lot and he knows that even if he tweaked his KVRs he would probably get the same result as the next guy at the shop. He knew the capabilities of Elpida Hyper IC and he already got to know how to set where and which timings and voltages to enable him to run at 2000 CL7.
So Dominator GT not good?QUOTE
-NO! DomGT is good, only if it falls in the right hand. I have seen many DomGT modules being run at a lesser rated speed on a dumb rich kids/bloke PC many many times before.
What about the other camp?QUOTE
-Well, the other camp are those who are willing to spend higher and overclock the s&*t out of their DomGT. These guys usually are hardcores, they take off heatspreaders, run their rams on dry ice or LN2, overvolt the modules to insane voltages which not many people afford to do. These guys usually tops memory overclocking charts at hwbot or other extreme overclocking forums.
Well, what about the last camp?QUOTE
-This are usually those spoilt rich brats that don't know a thing about overclocking, they just buy because they probably heard/being told that DomGT is fast. How fast? They usually don't know, even if they know a thing or two, its probably either purely BS or barely scratch the surface in terms of overclocking.
Wow! Overclocking Memory is hard, does it result to a better performance?QUOTE
-Yes, if not, peeps won't be overclocking their memory
Last time I heard Winbond BH-5 was the king of ICs....Is it still we need to look for modules with Winbond BH-5 for our DDR3 overclocking?QUOTE
-NO! BH-5 was the king, after that when the whole computer scene switched to DDR2, it was Micron D9 ICs that was the king!
So which IC should I look for in a DDR3 stick?QUOTE
-Well, there is the 1GB module, 2GB module and 4GB module. You need to identify which capacity to use before you search for a module.
Ok, lets say I would like to OC a 2GB stick!QUOTE
-If 2GB stick? You need not to look further than the Elpida Hyper IC.
Why Elpida? Why not Kingston or Corsair??QUOTE
-Because the manufacturer of the IC is Elpida and not Kingston or Corsair!
I don't understand liao! Why Elpida??QUOTE
Ok, let me tell you a folklore regarding memory chips/IC.
In this whole wide world, there is a practice called Business. In this practice, the only things that matters is profit and nothing else. Without profit, business will fail and eventually shut down like you computer without electricity or a burn't PSU.
In business there are companies who manufacture, market and sell things. To make things simple, I break it down for you.
Elpida - They are the manufacturer, they make IC and complete memory modules (but probably not the PCB that holds the chip together). They only produce memory chips to be used in electronic devices such as computers, tv, radio, professional equipments, computer peripherals such as a mouse with onboard memory or hard disk cache memory or even Graphic memory. These IC are also used in automotive industries and other electronic devices such as the car ECU, the ABS and gearbox module and so on.
Crosshair, Kingrock, etc - They are know to the major public as computer Memory manufacturer, which sometimes is correct and sometimes is wrong. Some of these so-called manufacturer doesnt even produced 1% of the product. It is all 'sometime' comes from a third-party vendor. Let me explain;
-The memory IC comes from Elpida!
-The memory PCB comes from Brainpower! or if they want to save cost, just take a ready made
-The ramsinks/heat spreader comes from a factory in China OEM
-The packaging box comes from China OEM
So what does these so-called Memory manufacturer do? They obviously 'sometimes' do nothing in the development of the ram itself! Do note that I mentioned 'sometimes'! They market their product and sells them at a higher priced than that of their cost. Let's say 500%....They take 300%, distributor takes another 180% and the retailer sometimes take 20% or less. Take into account taxes and shipping costs.
So what is it that they do exactly?» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «
Well, for one, they make sure that their 'product' can actually run at a certain advertised speed. The higher it gets, the more expensive they can sell them and they market them as if your computer can fly!
So who determined the speed?QUOTE
Again, the 'speed' really comes from the manufacturer of the IC themselves. The example would be this;
"Is it possible for Ferrari to NOT know the speed of their car? Who determines the 'Top Speed' of their car? Certainly not the customer right?"
This is also the same case with Memory....Do you really think Elpida or other IC manufacturer such as PSC, Micron or Samsung DON'T know what kinda speed that is achievable from their own manufactured IC? They need Crosshair or Kingrock or any other 'Computer Memory Manufacturer' to assemble everything only then the speed can be determined?
Have you ever wondered, why does Memory manufacturer nowadays tends to have 'heatspreaders' even though at 1.8v DDR3 stick be it 2GB or 4GB is even warm? I leave that assumption to you own perspective.
Jan 29 2012, 03:25 PM, updated 14y ago
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