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All About Harddisk Thread V4
All About Harddisk Thread V4
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Aug 20 2015, 04:57 PM
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Aug 21 2015, 09:01 AM
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I heard if buy 4TB internal harddisk and use USB3.0 dock, can connect thru USB3.0 to PC (act as external drive).
But heard 4TB harddisk may have issues with some system? |
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Aug 21 2015, 01:29 PM
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Aug 23 2015, 10:51 AM
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Aug 23 2015, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 23 2015, 10:51 AM) HAMR HDDs To Debut At 4TB Capacity But Reach 100TB By 2025 in my opinion, i think they will stay relevant as an alternative options, just like magnetic tapes still being used as backups for some companies Heat-assisted magnetic recording (HAMR) is a novel process in which a small laser is used to apply heat to a disk so more data can be written to a standard platter. Some thought this was implausible, but Seagate says they will be introducing them next year for testing. Do you think mechanical hard drives are going to stay relevant thanks to these advancements, or will improvements in SSD capacity make them obsolete? It seems that shipments of HAMR-based hard drives will start in 2018 after the tests started in 2016 probably end in 2017 and demonstrate whether HAMR tech is ready for mass production or not. To beat the rapid advancement of SSDs driven forward by Samsung, Seagate plans to make the new drives available only to select cloud and hyperscale datacenter customers, and only after that, the technology will move to the wide spread consumer market. http://news.softpedia.com/news/the-first-h...ty-489812.shtml but what might shakes things up in the storage front might be next year's Intel Optane SSDs, though I am still skeptical about Intel's claim that the price would be "affordable" as new tech dont normally go with the word "affordable" This post has been edited by rurushu: Aug 23 2015, 10:41 PM |
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Aug 24 2015, 12:17 AM
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Aug 24 2015, 11:04 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Aug 24 2015, 12:17 AM) what i am not sure is about HAMR performance. will it end up just being another shingle hdd with good reads but not good constant writes. basically just meant for archiving purposes (e.g. videos, music, documents etc etc...)rather than for running your applications directly from (especially if it's something that runs constantly while in use like torrent client for example). For HAMR performance, I think the same like you, but if it is like a read-oriented drive, then I guess it can hardly pleases the crowd, but since it is aimed at enterprise at the moment, i think their endurance and reliability can be accounted for. But all these will only happen somewhere in 2018 according to kitguru, inbetween are some test production and prototypes, so still time to perfect the next drive.but then again for high capacity, people don't really expect performance, which they already rely on ssds for OS, games, apps... so i think the status quo will stay the same. and yes i do think that optane ssd has a good chance to trump nand ssd because of the endurance, performance, storage capacity, the process to make is not too expensive (according to sources they speculate pricing to be somewhere between ddr4 and nand pricing. though with scale it might get cheaper). nand recent developments are increasing the capacity size via 3d-nand, and other methods to cram in more storage space. the only way nand ssd's will still be relevant once optane comes out, is if they can produce nand ssds with high capacities and cheaper. otherwise people will just pass that over and go with octane. then again like how people would for sure buy 1 single ssd for the os rather than hdd, people may now do the same once octane comes out. so nand ssd will have to take the place of what mechanical hdd was in that sense. mechanical hdds seems like hamr is the next new thing after helium hdds, and shingle drives to renew the mech hdd platform. they too will be very reliant on having more space on the cheap to stay in the game. but if you ask me, i think once nand ssds get to around 4, 6 or even 8 tb each, and cheaply, people will just get those and pop them into a NAS and use for storage. but the only downside is, they need to keep the NAS 24/7 operational, or at least scheduled to be on once every week because it was found that nand ssds begin to lose data if left without power over a few months or so. also make sure you only use ssds with some form of protection from sudden power loss, otherwise you are screwed down the line. anyway about HAMR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-assisted...netic_recording Yea, I also agree on the paradigm that like how mechanical drive has shifted to secondary role as storage while faster NAND SSD would take the spotlight in running OSes and I/O intensive programs. The same would highly be happening when Optane is released, but I think unless the price is right, I doubt they would displace NAND so fast especially right now 3D V-NAND is ramping in production with Intel/ Micron, Toshiba/ Sandisk all disclosed their plans with 3D V-NAND. Regarding the NAND SSD as NAS, I think the issue with them beginning to lose data if left without power over a few months is highly dependent on the temperature the drives are kept in. If i am not mistaken, JEDEC has outlined a few classes or minimum requirements in order for the NAND SSDs to be able to be sold. There are a few operating temperature ranges (classes) which would require the NAND SSD to hold their data (data retention) for a determined duration and if they passes those regulations, only then they are allowed to be sold. sauce just my 2cents This post has been edited by rurushu: Aug 24 2015, 11:05 PM |
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Aug 25 2015, 12:10 AM
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Aug 25 2015, 03:04 PM
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Aug 26 2015, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE(azmieza @ Aug 20 2015, 11:01 AM) thank you very much for your reply... if u want sell your 4TB WD black, pm me…haha…as a normal user, i dont think i want to use the NAS technology and other advance technology... i just love to read about technolgy but dont have enough money to try use it...... huhuhuhu.. some time if i use my friend powerfull computer that i help him to buy because of my little knowledge, also i dont know what to do to maximize it power... i dont play games, dont know much about video ,picture editing... so my ancient system is far enough for now, maybe in future i will upgrade... wd 4tb black is for video processing, gamers...new price is about rm800... normal external casing is rm100... maybe i want to sell it when i get it next week.. i won it from amanz.my website.. confuse.. |
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Aug 27 2015, 10:40 PM
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Sep 1 2015, 12:39 PM
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Hi,
I'm building a NAS for my small business. From my googling WD Red Pro or WD Re seem to be best HD for my application. What do you guy think about these HDs, any good?better choice? |
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Sep 2 2015, 11:11 AM
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Sep 5 2015, 01:02 PM
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Sep 6 2015, 01:18 AM
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anyone else having issues with detection of external HDDs via usb docks ? - can't initiate disk management, will only show as disk drive with alphabet on My Computer, will detect in device manager (tried disable/enable/updating driver) but still the same error.
any known solutions for it ? cheers |
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Sep 7 2015, 03:45 PM
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hi there, was looking for a external HDD
currently cheapest i can find is Lenovo F309, would like to ask how reliable is it compare to WD my passport ultra? Warranty wise, Lenovo 3 years, but WD only 1 year. I was a long time WD supporter but due to the price & warranty duration, i intended to give other brand a try. but of course reliability come first. So, what's your opinion ? Thanks |
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Sep 8 2015, 02:43 AM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 5 2015, 01:02 PM) my drive just arrived.... Just clean up disk and shadow cleanup . running the test to make sure it is brand new, also no errors hdds usually like if says 1tb, you don't actually get 1tb usable space. probably slightly less. for example my seagate 1tb is actually only 931gb usable space. also 512 vs 4k sector drives, the later has more usable space on a 2tb+ hdd, because it's more efficient as it uses less space for stuff like error correction etc. so for 2tb+ hdds always get the 4k native models. you only use 512 when using an older OS, which i don't recommend doing total read 770gb seems a bit low.... can u check whether part of your HDD is unallocated ? i suspect that is the problem for your particular case. to check, either use something like AOMEI's partition assistant app, or, go to computer management in windows and check if the drive in question has any partitions unallocated PS: i checked the same properties windows as you, and mine correctly states total capacity is 931gb. so yours is definitely weird yet 100gb mysterily missing .. huhu any tips |
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Sep 8 2015, 08:00 PM
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Sep 10 2015, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE(Moogle Stiltzkin @ Sep 8 2015, 08:00 PM) can you try download aomei partition assistant and check if there is any partitions ? I would've love to try the software 1st. And check the partition of it.also try use hd tunes and run a block scan, then view the smart info i'm an ameteur as well, but if i had to guess, either it's an unallocated partition, or .... it's bad blocks that have been reallocated which would make the usable space much smaller. The last is just my guess, cause i don't know if it would actually do that but what else could it be ? But the logic answer i received , it said maybe its the reserve memory that hold the deleted file temporarily |
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Sep 10 2015, 06:27 PM
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