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westlife
post Mar 13 2012, 08:53 PM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Mar 13 2012, 05:37 PM)
Insurance company is more or less the same, most of the terms are standardized and regulated by Bank Negara (yes if you ask, insurance is considered financial sector just like bank, so it is governed by BNM).

From a consumer (or more accurately known as the Insured) point of view, what determines whether you will be a happy claimant or not in the event of any accident would depends on which workshop you towed your car to, and also your luck on getting which insurance adjuster to evaluate your car.

Insurance adjuster would be the one that report the extend of damage to insurance company (of course, the workshop will mark the damaged area and recommend the repair), and the adjuster is the one that recommend how much to pay or what parts to be repaired or replaced.

The workmanship part of the repair will of course depending on the workshop itself. Other things such as preparing and collecting police report will depends whether you get a good callman (those walkie talkie guy that appear out of nowhere within minutes your car met accident). A lot of times, callman knows the people in police station well, help you to sketch accident diagram, collect police photo and findings etc, and that save you a lot of trouble especially your one and only car you have is no longer driveable and your job requires you to be in office from 9am to 6pm.

As I had mentioned in my earlier post, you have to take out your insurance policy covernote and read on the endorsement part (because windscreen is an add-on coverage, look for windscreen section), as every insurance company have slight variation in defining their terms and condition for coverage. As far as for all the 3 cars in my house having 3 different insurance company, all their windscreen endorsement mentioned covering all the glass windows around the car, sunroof and tinting.

Whenever you have free time, it is good that car owner run through the insurance policy to know what you are covered for the premium you had paid. Of course, I do hope no one will ever need to make a claim, but in case if you come across the need, at least you don't feel lost or cheated.

Also for new car owner that still have warranty with your car, make sure you insist your car be towed to panel workshop (those who not sure, please call the Honda Insurance Package tollfree number to ask for location and procedure). This is to ensure there is no dispute in future warranty claims of the vehicle.
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thanks for the great explanation.

besides, touch wood in the case of any claim, can't we just send back the car to honda service centre for repair and claim for the damage instead of going to panel workshop?
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post Mar 13 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(cbinn @ Jan 26 2012, 04:48 PM)
Just sharing what I understand about how Insight starts its engine.

Under normal circumstances where your IMA battery is not completely exhausted (which very rarely would as the computer will try its best to keep it at least 20% soc or above unless you left the car parked for more than a month without start), the car engine would be crank started using the IMA motor instead of the normal starrter motor. IMA motor will spin up the engine before resuming the combustion cycle, it is kind of like we push-start a manual car with a dead battery.

Because this process does not involve the use to starter motor powered by the 12V battery, and the starting method is to spin up the entire engine to speed and resume the combustion cycle i.e. fuel injector, spark plugs and valve trains, the engine is kind of like 'resuming from hybernation' instead of starting from stop.

If you notice, starting Insight with this method is extremely fast and quiet when compared to cranking up any of the non-hybrid car using a regular 12v starter motor.

As other forumers had mentioned, this is actually a designed feature and definitely this revolutionary method of starting the car avoid those wear and tear produced by regular starter motor. This method also reduce a lot of polution and dirt builtup as the first cycle of fuel injected when starting engine will be completely burned (as engine already spinned up to speed using the IMA motor), while in regular starter vehicle, the few engine cycle during cranking up left behind unburned fuel, which turns to carbon deposit in combustion chamber and exhaust system.

Finally, starting the vehicle using the IMA instead of 12V system reduce stress to the 12V supply system, as you will not get power surge or sudden voltage drop during engine start, thus can help to prolong the lifespan of all 12V equipment and accessories from faulire caused by power fluctuation.
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Added on March 13, 2012, 11:20 pm
QUOTE(john insight @ Mar 13 2012, 11:14 PM)

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Thanks for the valuable information. When the IMA down would the engine start as usual ?.
How the 12V battery charge up since I can't find any alternator, or share with the IMA motor
for charging. Is there any DC12V starter install in the event of IMA totally failed. I was told
the 12V battery for accessory and inportantly used also for the computer for the whole control.
Older Insight 2 door version do have a 12V starter.

eager to find out and get prepare in the event happen !.

This post has been edited by john insight: Mar 13 2012, 11:20 PM
Ryan Soo
post Mar 13 2012, 11:38 PM

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QUOTE(babysmile @ Mar 13 2012, 07:06 PM)
@Ryan Soo

how is your car ? what is the solution ?

Which manual you have see ? from your Honda Malaysia paper manual or online US version ? R u driving 2011 or 2012 Insight ? In 2011 there is no way have autolock feature.
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hey babysmile...my car now working...root cause -> 12V battery dead
so confirm the alarm sound that trigger was an alert that the battery going to dead soon(in 5 minutes)..consider our Insight quite "intelligent"..

call my insurance and they come over to JUMPSTART for me..
then drive to Honda service center and replace it...claim warranty..lucky 2 year warranty for 12V battery

p/s - battery dead on my car 1 year + 1 day old sweat.gif
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post Mar 14 2012, 08:31 AM

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QUOTE(Ryan Soo @ Mar 13 2012, 11:38 PM)
hey babysmile...my car now working...root cause -> 12V battery dead
so confirm the alarm sound that trigger was an alert that the battery going to dead soon(in 5 minutes)..consider our Insight quite "intelligent"..

call my insurance and they come over to JUMPSTART for me..
then drive to Honda service center and replace it...claim warranty..lucky 2 year warranty for 12V battery

p/s - battery dead on my car 1 year + 1 day old  sweat.gif
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after they jump start your car, do you check the IMA battery level?

from previous post, what i recall is the car 12v battery is constanly charge by the IMA battery. what happen is when the 12v battery spoiled and no longer able to keep the current, the IMA battery try it hard to continue charge it.
At then end, both are empty and the car no longer able to start.

correct me if i am wrong...
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post Mar 14 2012, 08:57 AM

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normal the 12v battery will die short of 2 years so the 2 years is there and just replace a brand new one lor
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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Mar 14 2012, 08:57 AM)
normal the 12v battery will die short of 2 years so the 2 years is there and just replace a brand new one lor
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Ain't the 12V battery come with 3 years warranty following our car warranty?
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post Mar 14 2012, 09:49 AM

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QUOTE(westlife @ Mar 13 2012, 08:53 PM)
thanks for the great explanation.

besides, touch wood in the case of any claim, can't we just send back the car to honda service centre for repair and claim for the damage instead of going to panel workshop?
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You can send it back to Honda Service Center and they will help you on the claim procedure, however, eventually they will still help you to send your car to their panel workshop because the equipment inside service center is for routine servicing and not accident repair. They would not have facility or manpower to perform accident damage repair job such as panel beating or spray painting in the most of the service center.
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post Mar 14 2012, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(joshuawong @ Mar 14 2012, 09:46 AM)
Ain't the 12V battery come with 3 years warranty following our car warranty?
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no 12v battery come with 2 years... that is the standard lifespan of the 12v battery... it has been practice by honda since stone age...
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QUOTE(john insight @ Mar 13 2012, 11:14 PM)

Added on March 13, 2012, 11:20 pm

Thanks for the valuable information. When the IMA down would the engine start as usual ?.
How the 12V battery charge up since I can't find any alternator, or share with the IMA motor
for charging. Is there any DC12V starter install in the event of IMA totally failed. I was told
the 12V battery for accessory and inportantly used also for the computer for the whole control.
Older Insight 2 door version do have a 12V starter.

eager to find out and get prepare in the event happen !.
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If the IMA system failed (either faulty IMA battery, controller or IMA motor), the car may still start as usual because it still have a normal engine starter that runs on the 12v battery. However, bear in mind that all IMA assist and regen function will no longer be available, and you will be like driving a regular petrol engine car. Also, if the damage to IMA is at the IMA motor or the DC-DC converter module, your 12v battery may not last very long as there is no way the engine can recharge the 12v battery, so there could be just enough power to move your car to a safer location e.g. rest area or road side for you to wait for help. If only the IMA battery failed but the rest of IMA system still ok, you can drive the car as normal for very long time, just minus the availability of IMA assist and regen braking.

This car does not have a regular alternator. The IMA motor sandwiched between the engine and CVT gearbox serve 2 function i.e. when power is fed to the motor, it assist, when the motor control module (MCM) sense that you are slowing down, it trigger regen mode which turns this motor into a generator. The power generated from the IMA motor will be fed to the back of the car to recharge the IMA battery, which is over 100volts. The battery control module (BCM) have a sub-system that monitors the voltage of the front 12v battery, and when necessary (voltage drop due to consumption by 12V accessories like lights, air cond, wiper or ECU), the BCM will trigger the DC-DC converter module to utilize the power from the IMA motor (when engine running) or IMA battery (during auto-stop), converting it down to 12V to recharge the front 12V lead acid battery.

The car will be completely disabled if your front 12V battery failed. This is because before you can start using any power from the IMA system, you need to power up all the control modules (BCM, MCM, DC converter and ECU), and all these runs on the 12v sub-system.
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post Mar 14 2012, 10:15 AM

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Mar 14 2012, 10:05 AM)
no 12v battery come with 2 years... that is the standard lifespan of the 12v battery... it has been practice by honda since stone age...
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the weird thing is. i dunno why honda 12v battery life spend is only 2 years. my city 12v battery have to change every 1.5 or 2 years (could it be the alternator problem?)....where by my other car kelisa battery lasted me 3 years before changing....

does insight comes with alternator? cant remember whether i saw it or not....

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post Mar 14 2012, 11:08 AM

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QUOTE(alxdc @ Mar 14 2012, 10:15 AM)
the weird thing is. i dunno why honda 12v battery life spend is only 2 years. my city 12v battery have to change every 1.5 or 2 years (could it be the alternator problem?)....where by my other car kelisa battery lasted me 4 years before changing....

does insight comes with alternator? cant remember whether i saw it or not....
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Lead acid battery is used in car because it can stands many cycle of charge (when engine runs) and discharge (when you start vehicle or use 12V power without running engine e.g. alarm and door locks or even when you left the car not being driven for too long i.e. self-discharge).

However, there is a shortcoming of lead acid battery i.e. it cannot be left over-discharged or being in discharged state for too long period of time. This will lead to a phenomenon call sulfation or formation of lead sulfate in the battery which is irreversable and reducing the ability to accept and store charge thus reducing the battery capacity.

Based on this, there are some steps that one could try to practice to prolong the lifespan of your car 12V battery:

1) Try your best not to use the battery when the engine is not running e.g. leaving the car door open for very long which turns on the room lights, turing on radio or headlights without engine running, letting your kids play with the power windows etc.

2) While waiting to pick up people, whenever it is possible and safe, do not leave the headlights on even if the engine is running. Apart from putting stress to alternator, the headlight assembly will heat up, causing lens to turn yellowish or fade faster.

3) Do not always full blast your air cond blower. If you get into a car that was parked for too long under hot sun, open all windows when start driving to allow hot air to escape will be a better solution.

4) If you install any aftermarket audio system, rever camera, alarm or lighting, make sure the wiring are donw properly, does not create any shorts and unnecessary circuits are turned off together with ignition to prevent power drain when the car is parked.

5) Avoid short trips (e.g. less than 3 minutes) engine start and stop. Starter motor draws a lot of power and a 3 minutes trip may not be long enough for the alternator to recharge back the power consumed (especially if it is a night driving with headlights, aircond and audio system full blast).

People may ask, when my car is running, my alternator is on and my battery would be recharged so why I have to worry of keeping 12v accessories turned off to save power? The alternator for smaller cc car (usually those 1500 and below) are designed not to load the combustion engine too much in order for the engine to have more power to move the car and maintain the car's high fuel efficiency. In order to maintain the load to be small, the alternator produces lesser power. Usually designer calculated the power output to be slight over the regular consumption of all the 12V accessories under normal use (daytime could be hotter so aircond use more but headlight off, night time headlight on but cooler weather so air cond blower not at high speed). The extra from the slightly over output of the alternator is used to top up the 12v battery depleted by engine starter, accessories usage during stop e.g. alarm and also due to self discharge (normally between 3 to 20% a month depending on quality and size of battery).

Based on the above, if your trip is too short, or you have big amplifiers blasting away with air cond at full speed and headlights on most of the time, chances are your alternator output are just sufficient for accessories or even worst, at deficit, thus either not charging or instead actually draining your 12v battery.

To maintain good lifespan of a lead acid battery, it is normally not recommended to allow the battery to be discharged more than 75% of its capacity. The more it get discharged, the more sulfation would happen and the lower the battery capacity. When batery capacity becomes low, there is more chance you going to discharge it more, thus the effect is exponential when near the end of the battery life. In order to save weight, modern small CC car uses smaller battery, thus smaller capacity and higher chance to get badly discharged more than bigger batteries.

Sideline a bit, Insight does not have a regular alternator and power steering that are driven by belt by the combustion engine, that's why even when the engine is just 1300 cc, it felt so light. Insight does have power steering, but it is driven by electric motor. The only belt driven subsystem in Insight is the air cond compressor.

This post has been edited by cbinn: Mar 14 2012, 11:09 AM
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QUOTE(cbinn @ Mar 14 2012, 11:08 AM)
Lead acid battery is used in car because it can stands many cycle of charge (when engine runs) and discharge (when you start vehicle or use 12V power without running engine e.g. alarm and door locks or even when you left the car not being driven for too long i.e. self-discharge).

However, there is a shortcoming of lead acid battery i.e. it cannot be left over-discharged or being in discharged state for too long period of time. This will lead to a phenomenon call sulfation or formation of lead sulfate in the battery which is irreversable and reducing the ability to accept and store charge thus reducing the battery capacity.

Based on this, there are some steps that one could try to practice to prolong the lifespan of your car 12V battery:

1) Try your best not to use the battery when the engine is not running e.g. leaving the car door open for very long which turns on the room lights, turing on radio or headlights without engine running, letting your kids play with the power windows etc.

2) While waiting to pick up people, whenever it is possible and safe, do not leave the headlights on even if the engine is running. Apart from putting stress to alternator, the headlight assembly will heat up, causing lens to turn yellowish or fade faster.

3) Do not always full blast your air cond blower. If you get into a car that was parked for too long under hot sun, open all windows when start driving to allow hot air to escape will be a better solution.

4) If you install any aftermarket audio system, rever camera, alarm or lighting, make sure the wiring are donw properly, does not create any shorts and unnecessary circuits are turned off together with ignition to prevent power drain when the car is parked.

5) Avoid short trips (e.g. less than 3 minutes) engine start and stop. Starter motor draws a lot of power and a 3 minutes trip may not be long enough for the alternator to recharge back the power consumed (especially if it is a night driving with headlights, aircond and audio system full blast).

People may ask, when my car is running, my alternator is on and my battery would be recharged so why I have to worry of keeping 12v accessories turned off to save power? The alternator for smaller cc car (usually those 1500 and below) are designed not to load the combustion engine too much in order for the engine to have more power to move the car and maintain the car's high fuel efficiency. In order to maintain the load to be small, the alternator produces lesser power. Usually designer calculated the power output to be slight over the regular consumption of all the 12V accessories under normal use (daytime could be hotter so aircond use more but headlight off, night time headlight on but cooler weather so air cond blower not at high speed). The extra from the slightly over output of the alternator is used to top up the 12v battery depleted by engine starter, accessories usage during stop e.g. alarm and also due to self discharge (normally between 3 to 20% a month depending on quality and size of battery).

Based on the above, if your trip is too short, or you have big amplifiers blasting away with air cond at full speed and headlights on most of the time, chances are your alternator output are just sufficient for accessories or even worst, at deficit, thus either not charging or instead actually draining your 12v battery.

To maintain good lifespan of a lead acid battery, it is normally not recommended to allow the battery to be discharged more than 75% of its capacity. The more it get discharged, the more sulfation would happen and the lower the battery capacity. When batery capacity becomes low, there is more chance you going to discharge it more, thus the effect is exponential when near the end of the battery life. In order to save weight, modern small CC car uses smaller battery, thus smaller capacity and higher chance to get badly discharged more than bigger batteries.

Sideline a bit, Insight does not have a regular alternator and power steering that are driven by belt by the combustion engine, that's why even when the engine is just 1300 cc, it felt so light. Insight does have power steering, but it is driven by electric motor. The only belt driven subsystem in Insight is the air cond compressor.
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nice. thanks for sharing.

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guys... how to remove water mark on windscreen? I tried with car shampoo, but it doesn't work, anyone experience this?
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QUOTE(Lucky_Wishes @ Mar 14 2012, 01:59 PM)
guys... how to remove water mark on windscreen? I tried with car shampoo, but it doesn't work, anyone experience this?
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newspapers?

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QUOTE(Lucky_Wishes @ Mar 14 2012, 01:59 PM)
guys... how to remove water mark on windscreen? I tried with car shampoo, but it doesn't work, anyone experience this?
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with white vinegar ?
http://www.ehow.com/how_2271198_remove-wat...om-vehicle.html

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QUOTE(calvin_ng @ Mar 14 2012, 08:57 AM)
normal the 12v battery will die short of 2 years so the 2 years is there and just replace a brand new one lor
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averagely how long our Insight 12v battery can tahan?
mine less than 10000 km dead...what about u guys?
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depend should last around 1 1/2 year minimum
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QUOTE(Ryan Soo @ Mar 14 2012, 03:45 PM)
averagely how long our Insight 12v battery can tahan?
mine less than 10000 km dead...what about u guys?
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Can't say for sure when, mine is going strong @23k km and a load of ice in my car
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Hi, anyone know how to disable buzzer sound??

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