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 Fundsupermart - Invest Globally and Profitably, Discussion on investment through FSM

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howszat
post Aug 6 2012, 08:40 PM

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"Distribution" is the most widely misunderstood aspect of Unit Trusts.

"Management fees" or any other fees already deducted from the NAV looks like the second most misunderstood aspect.

The net amount in your hand is all you need to worry about.


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post Aug 6 2012, 10:38 PM

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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 6 2012, 08:40 PM)
"Distribution" is the most widely misunderstood aspect of Unit Trusts.

"Management fees" or any other fees already deducted from the NAV looks like the second most misunderstood aspect.

The net amount in your hand is all you need to worry about.
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Yeah, I agreed, so need to plan and aware what the cost involved in UT trade accordingly.
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post Aug 6 2012, 10:53 PM

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QUOTE(techie.opinion @ Aug 6 2012, 10:38 PM)
Yeah, I agreed, so need to plan and aware what the cost involved in UT trade accordingly.
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Actually, I was saying something different.

You don't need to know the management, etc, costs. All you need to know is what you get after costs - because that is all you see. And that is all that investors should need to care about, what you get in hand.

Consider the following:

Fund manager A - low costs, but make a loss for you.

Fund manager B - high cost, but returns a profit for you.

Do you prefer A or B?



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QUOTE(howszat @ Aug 6 2012, 10:53 PM)
Actually, I was saying something different.

You don't need to know the management, etc, costs. All you need to know is what you get after costs - because that is all you see. And that is all that investors should need to care about, what you get in hand.

Consider the following:

Fund manager A - low costs, but make a loss for you.

Fund manager B - high cost, but returns a profit for you.

Do you prefer A or B?
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Well said rclxms.gif
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post Aug 7 2012, 02:36 PM

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OSK-UOB EMBF drop so much.. == if i foresee US will doing well, wonder should i stop investing this fund. Any advise?
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post Aug 7 2012, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Aug 7 2012, 02:36 PM)
OSK-UOB EMBF drop so much.. == if i foresee US will doing well, wonder should i stop investing this fund. Any advise?
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don't be too short-sighted

Yes, it dropped a lot past 1-2 weeks... doh.gif
...but look at its 3-months and 6-months returns... icon_idea.gif
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post Aug 7 2012, 08:36 PM

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@Pink Spider, when you bought the REIT fund?
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post Aug 7 2012, 10:24 PM

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ah... today dividend time for Dynamic Bond
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post Aug 7 2012, 11:22 PM

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QUOTE(David83 @ Aug 7 2012, 08:36 PM)
@Pink Spider, when you bought the REIT fund?
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Last Thursday tongue.gif

1000 sudah jadi 1005 hmm.gif


Added on August 7, 2012, 11:23 pm
QUOTE(Kaka23 @ Aug 7 2012, 10:24 PM)
ah... today dividend time for Dynamic Bond
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NAV pricing suspended... nod.gif

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post Aug 7 2012, 11:48 PM

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One thing you quickly realize about unit trusts, is that you can't really lose money long term. Am I right? is there a fund that's actually been losing money for years?

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Aug 7 2012, 11:48 PM)
I think they are fairly safe, they are majority owned by OSK. OSK has been in the game a long time smile.gif
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Why u reply to a >6 months old post doh.gif

and FYI, its not majority held by OSK...FSM is a JV between OSK and iFast Corp (which was owned by a Singapore media group)
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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 7 2012, 11:50 PM)
Why u reply to a >6 months old post doh.gif


Didn't see the date tongue.gif


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post Aug 8 2012, 11:14 PM

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Malaysia Equity Funds At The Top In July 2012

The Fundsupermart Indices - All Equity advanced 1.8% month-to-date as at 31 July 2012. The top 5 funds were Malaysia and REITs funds; bottom 5 funds were an assortment of funds that included Malaysia funds too.

KEY POINTS:

1. FSMI Advanced 1.8% In July 2012
2. Top 5 Funds Were Malaysia And REITs Funds
3. Bottom 5 Funds Were An Assortment Of Funds That Included Malaysia Funds As Well

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2594
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Dave...OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond freefall cry.gif

Lucky my equity funds punya gain more than enuff to offset the loss sweat.gif
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post Aug 9 2012, 07:39 AM

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QUOTE(Pink Spider @ Aug 8 2012, 11:23 PM)
Dave...OSK-UOB Emerging Markets Bond freefall cry.gif

Lucky my equity funds punya gain more than enuff to offset the loss sweat.gif
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I noticed that too. I have lost 2% including 1% promotional service charge. cry.gif

I put stop loss alert at 5%.
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Malaysia: A Positive Month For All Sectors!

KEY POINTS:

1. Building materials sector gained 5.0% in July, mainly supported by Lafarge and Tasek.
2. Other cement producers are expected to follow the market leader, Lafarge, to increase their cement prices.
3. With production cost remaining stable as a result of lower fuel and energy costs, profit margins of cement producers are likely to expand as a result of the price increase.
4. The recent price surge in cement stocks suggests that investors are currently pricing in the potential of higher profit.
5. Technology sector was tagging on rising investors’ sentiment, edging up marginally by 0.5% in July 2012.
6. But, we remain cautious on the outlook for technology sector as a potential slowdown in global economy will dampen the sales of electrical and electronic products.
7. GDP for 2Q 2012 is going to be announced on 15 August 2012. The slowdown in manufacturing activities and weaker exports demand are likely to mitigate the growth momentum and cause a slower growth in 2Q 2012.
8. Based on Bloomberg consensus estimates, GDP for 2Q 2012 is expected to grow slower at 3.8% as compared with same quarter last year.
9. In terms of valuations, the estimated PE ratios for FBM KLCI are at 15.2X, 13.7X and 12.6X for 2012, 2013 and 2014 respectively (as at 3 August 2012), which are just marginally lower than its fair PE ratio of 16.0X.
10. In the near term, external headwinds from the European debt crisis as well as the uncertainties that may arise from the 13th General Election could create a short-term consolidation, especially given the strong recent run-up in the Malaysian market.
11. Our advice to investors: rebalance their portfolio and to consider switching some of their holdings into more attractive markets such as the Greater China region and South Korea.

URL: http://www.fundsupermart.com.my/main/resea...?articleNo=2610
wayne84
post Aug 9 2012, 10:07 AM

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Amdynamic fund show my return to negative >.< ......how to calculate the divined o distribution? >.<
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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Aug 9 2012, 10:07 AM)
Amdynamic fund show my return to negative >.< ......how to calculate the divined o distribution? >.<
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I think the distribution reinvest is not added in yet!
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QUOTE(wayne84 @ Aug 9 2012, 10:07 AM)
Amdynamic fund show my return to negative >.< ......how to calculate the divined o distribution? >.<
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Distribution made...NAV dropped to reflect the distribution, but the distribution will only be credited into your account after maybe 2-3 weeks. nod.gif

What I normally do is, during period between ex-distribution and crediting date, I won't bother to update the NAV for that fund, don't like to see the negative profit/loss on my Excel sheet. For AmDynamic, I freeze my NAV at 03-Aug-12. tongue.gif


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post Aug 9 2012, 11:22 AM

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Ahahaha..yeah man. we dun like -ve lolx..

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