Seachem purigen , can get from hehe- East Aqua Ikano branch(other branch don't have cos i nag ikano branch to restock - still got 2 box 100g left since i brought 1 more to keep) , Natural Aquatic World (aka NA subang got like 4 box 100g and the 250g bottle type, (if u buy the 250g bottle u need to get ur own filter bag as purigen media is very tiny in size, get the smallest pore size filter bag), ALL THE 100G come packed in filter bag - easier) , Aquatic Paradise in kajang got 2 box.

AI , 88 pets mart , Nilufar , Qian Hu ,all DON'T have(one of them don't know what is purigen -hahahahaahah) although they claim as one of the BIGGEST LFS in malaysia

Cheapest i can get is RM45 after discount for the 100g purigen , if u can get it cheaper let me know which LFS.

O almost forgot to tell u, DON"T use any amine based polymer dechlorinator with Purigen , it will not foul the resin but will render it non-regenerable.
I change to Seachem Prime bcos of that and i love it. It didn't smell and stain my 11 liters mineral water bottles like API stress coat.

taken from seachem website:
Q: Does AP Stress Coat foul/ruin your Purigen product?

A: If they use an amine based polymer it will not foul the resin but will render it non-regenerable. What amine based polymers will do is bond not just to Purigen but to any organic scavenging resin as well as any ion exchange resin and when you attempt to regenerate the resin they will then bond with the chlorine to form chloramine which can be released into the aquarium. This is not just an issue with Purigen but with all resins being sold in the pet trade. The problem only occurs when one attempts to regenerate the resin, there is no problem unless you wish to regenerate the resin you are using. Seachem products do not contain amine based polymers and are safe to be used in conjunction with not only our resins but also with other companies resins.
http://www.seachem.com/support/FAQs/Purigen.html

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 6 2012, 04:49 PM

for me i won't use the recycle GEX soil for CRS unless you can clean out all the debris left over from previous planting (plant root, rooted leave etc),
CRS need water to be very clean , better free from organic pollutant, if you have to use the Gex soil i suggest you get seachem purigen in your filter to help clean/absorb all the organic pollutant, but this will cost you around rm45 for the 100g purigen(treat up to 400litres water capacity) .

ADA soil , the problem is the long ammonia leeching period , took around 1 mths b4 the leeching subside, although a cycled tank will keep
the ammonia level under control , it will easily leech ammonia if the soil is disturbed in first month or so, a sudden spike in ammonia will wipe/kill
your CRS. (ADA soil need longer mature period and extra care, I'm using ADA new amazonia in my crs/shrimps tank cos i started as planted tank then converted to shrimps tank).

my choice i will add in ADA soil into current Gex soil for planted tank and get benibachi soil for the new CRS tank , for shrimps tank an inch thick of soil is sufficient. fyi benibachi soil 5Litres cost rm120 at NA(bargain abit, stated price is rm130)

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Added on April 7, 2012, 1:53 amSeachem purigen 250g bottle cost around rm88 in NA.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 7 2012, 01:53 AM

No, u can cycle a tank with ADA soil < a mths with sufficient bio-media and good filters just that the ammonia leeching of the ADA soil can continue > a mths, with capable bio-filters those ammonia will be neutralize in time, just that if u itchy hand and stir/'kacau' the soil a sudden ammonia spike may appear and may kill/wipe ur nearby CRS when the aquasoil soil is still new. This is due to the fragility of CRS.

You can keep HC or others nice plant, but what is your priority , plant or CRS? for me i choose shrimps that y i remove my C02 system, throw away my HC , carpeted Glosso & other plants. Keep mainly moss and marimo ball now. I using seachem iron, potassium,excel & borneowild lush, they are safe for shrimps, just don't overdose and to be safe use half recommended amount, now i seldom use those, only dose a very little once every 2 weeks.

if your wish is have nice planted tank(with HC, glosso etc) and keep CRS, i recommend that you build up the aquascaping/planting part first, when all things settle down(tank parameter stable ,plant healthy and growing) then only you start learn/keep more hardy shrimps like Red Cherry/Fire red first then only CRS. (u will save alot on lesson fee, as the CRS cost more then x5 the price of an red cherry).

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 7 2012, 04:06 AM

If you buy the 100g Purigen (the min volume u can get) it already come packed in a sealed mesh bag.
other volume like 250g , 500g or more all come in bottles which require one to get their own mesh bag or socks(some ppl use this )

My spare 100g Purigen (they come with MESH bag)


>50%exhausted Purigen in HOB

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Added on April 8, 2012, 12:05 amUmmm.. u got directly from the distributor advance reef in penang, of course that cheap.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 8 2012, 12:08 AM

curious of The Deep-Frozen or Freeze-Dried CYCLOP-EEZE , do a search came out with -> http://chuisui.com/viewthread.php?tid=13952
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Online store
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u try contact him.

NO, not 24hrs. unless you wanna breed algae. 8hrs is more then enough, give the shrimps some break, who's
wanna be under the torch light all day long.

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Added on April 9, 2012, 1:15 pmBeside driftwood, you can also tight moss to lava rock ,ryu stone, dragon stone,stainless steel/plastics mesh, etc, but make sure the rock/stone won't release substance that alter the PH. (exception is lava rock which lower PH abit ,unless you pour in the whole 'guni' sack of it.)

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 9 2012, 01:16 PM

The drawback is that some of the free floating food will lounge/stuck somewhere(substrate etc) every time you feed, in the long run
will foul the water cos those worm/brine shrimps may not be retrievable if the rcs/crs can't finish consume it.
That why we only feed the shrimps flake food that are stable in & won't cloud the water, remove it within 1-2 hrs even it not fully consumed.
Free floating shrimps/shrimplets food like borneowild bebi & mosura bio-plus is itself biodegradable and will help break down
organics waste thus will not foul the water and safe to left in there.

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Added on April 10, 2012, 1:04 amWith ADA soil in fishless cycle, there is no need to use fish food etc to kickstart the tank cycle, ADA amazonia is for famous for leeching substantial ammonia from the start which enough to last through the cycle. I cycled two tank with ADA new amazonia as substrate, after few hrs submerged with water it already leech out ammonia level more then 5.0ppm.


This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 10 2012, 01:04 AM

safe for shrimps, i have those but now disappear, just normal scraping the glass and water change , a week later didn't see them anymore.
Kind of miss them.
If your shrimps are big enough & no shrimplets, you can put in some small tetra or guppy, those are food to them.

Hey BW Ebi Bacter - BEBI is one product not two, just use a small mug/cup , mix BEBI with tank or aged water before pour in the tank,
i already use up half bottle , yes it work , my shrimp & shrimplets going crazy for it , the best is that it also help decompose organic waste
and won't pollute your water.
I use this alternatively with mosura bio-plus and shirakura baby food. Actually all three does almost the same things, juts itchy hand buy
all three.

L3()nZ @ BEBI is shrimplets food , you want breeding aid get BW Dance & Vigor , mosura Eros & Mosura Gravidas.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 19 2012, 02:44 AM

NA not selling Borneowild shrimps stuff, they only sell borneowild lily pipe & accessories.
The only LFS i know in KL that sell some(not full range) Borneowild shrimps food/supplements are 88 petsmart and Aqua World(damansara).
for starter food you can get the BW - Grow(RM35-20g) & BW - Bebi(around RM40) and for some breeding aid - BW - Vigor(RM60++).
Shirakura food - minima breeder Ebi Dama & baby shrimp food Chi Ebi only Aqua World have them cost around rm50++ per pack.

Shirakura link http://www.shirakura-shop.de/en/shirakura_...p_food_feed.htm
Borneowild link
http://www.borneowild.com/prod.php?g=2
http://www.theshrimptank.com/articles/borneowild.html

Others i normally get from aquashop in lelong.
my little collection:


This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 20 2012, 03:24 AM

actually this was taken from another forum members opinion but i do agree with him , those are:

If I were starting I'd go with the below:

Shield (this will keep the water and shrimp healthy...without good water you will have deaths)
Stout (this makes the shells really shiny and thick looking...healthy shell means healthy shrimp overall)
Grow (this is a "complete" shrimp diet unlike others that BorneoWild carries which are just supplementals)
Barley (I'd add this supplemental food too since it's REALLY cheap and it helps with water quality...you get get by without this but it's so cheap that you might as well add it to the cart).
Bebi (this i prefer cos it help build up bio-film and help decompose organic waste and won't pollute water , also useful when you have shrimplets
RCS really fast in breeding)
Mosura Old Sea Mud ( (help in mineralization and decompose of waste)

For RCS without breeding aid they also breed like crazy, think i have like >100 rcs/red fire shrimplets in my 2 feet tank. My xmas moss tree like
a Christmas tree during the feeding time when all of them clling on the tree top.

In shrimps keeping especially CRS , it is very very important to keep tank water clean(your water look crystal clear doesn't mean it is clean), that is lot of waste hidden in the soil substrate you can't see and shrimps like to dig the soil for food, that why it is important to have shrimps food/supplement that can help in developing good bacteria and decompose of organic waste.

BW Grow & BW Bebi you can get from 88 petsmart , but BW Stout they currently out of stock
BW Shield & BW Barley you have to get it online through Aquashop in lelong.com.my.
You can just get all from aquashop since it cheaper even with the RM10 shipping charge.

CRS won't survive in KL malaysia room temperature(29-31'c++) unless you staying in cameroon or genting. The lower/lowest grade CRS
can endure till 27'c - 28'c if i not mistaken but at this temperature they hardly breed, if breed shrimplets hardly survive.
CRS best keep at 23'c-25'c range, i keep mine at 24'c, now 5 CRS berried, 1 give birth , shrimplets still survive after 6 days but hopefully
they can make it this round, previous 2 round all CRS shrimplets died within 3 days.

If you really want to keep CRS , recommend you get a chiller , Advance Reef(penang) distributor for Hailea brand chiller currently in Kenanga Mall near
Pudu Jail KL having a booth display , they have 2 unit of hailea chiller selling at 20% discount, get the HS-28A model if your tank is less then 400l in size. (but don't know still available or not) , i saw it yesterday at 6pm. the event is from 19 april(yesterday to 22 april(sunday).
refer -> http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/2314122

Yes, i think they do, beside Mosura Gravidas, i also use BW Vigor and Mosura Eros(rarely cos overdose have adverse effect), but you need time for it to took effect, but other necessary criteria must be meet first especially CRS(water temperature etc) , but if only for RCS then it much easier , i setup one new 1 feet (36l tank, air cooled max 28'c) . dump in 15 selected high red rcs(baby from berried fire red i brought), around 1cm length, feed them Vigor and gravidas as part of the food routine, a mths plus now 4 berried. and another 5 have eggs in the ovaries.
Before that i never have a berried RCS in my first 5 mths rearing them and i have to resort to find/buy berried fire red in LFS(recalling the experience , it was very exciting & chaotic as those berried one normally getting snapped up once stock arrive) so have to take leave just to get it. phew...
My 5 crs also berried now.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 20 2012, 04:14 PM

You try lower your temperature to 24'C, mine last time at 25'c , none of my CRS berried as well and those CRS who was brought berried and giving birth, the CRS shrimplets died after 3 days.
Fire yellow i like, can pm me the breeder you get it from, outside price selling more then normal crs.
Sunkist shrimps..ummm it is like orange or diiferent? , google result showing sunkist like an orange shrimps, you mind take a picture of
your sunkist shrimps and post here for a look?

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Added on April 21, 2012, 4:04 amHave some truth in it cos CO2 will lower water PH, sensitive shrimps like CRS can't tolerate PH swing especially your tank is small and not enough
PH buffer.
That why i remove my CO2 system and convert to shrimps tank.
Oh, remove SAE if have one in your shrimps tank , those sucker is shrimps killer especially when your shrimps just molt. Otto is safe though.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 21 2012, 04:07 AM

you guys using any floating plants in your shrimps tank?
currently got some dwarf water lettuce and trapa natans in there, hope
to reduce/clear up excess nitrate.

new breed of shrimps you have there, or it is eater by caterpillar.

i haven't sorted out my shrimp, have fire & cherry mixed. Try to allocate them to different tank but my new tank not yet finish cycled, hopefully
can cycled in one weeks.
How many you want to buy? 10 or 20 tails ? market price a tail is RM6 to RM10. of course mine cheaper then that.
If i sell my one is like 1cm to 1.5cm big only, smaller then the one in LFS, but frankly speaking, juvenile shrimp better cos they more easy to adapt to
new environment and last longer since rcs only have a life span of the most 2yrs.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 25 2012, 01:53 PM

think it is possible , refer to the below link , others did it too but in a container.
http://www.planetinverts.com/Artifically%2...ing%20Eggs.html

unless your filter intake have gap for shrimplets to be suck into the filters , i think those shrimplets are from the eggs you deposit.
ya . 2 weeks is like the period for the eggs to hatch. Congratulations of having some canister born baby.
RCS really tough shrimps, if anyone having trouble keeping them alive it is bcos they did somethings really wrong in the tank setup.

Low grade fire, think got some , that will be down grade to cherry range.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 25 2012, 02:23 PM

It is a shrimps tank or planted tank or it is convert from planted to shrimps tank?
smell like water problem , suspect organic waste build up or did anyone spray insecticide near your tank or (DBKL spraying pesticide in your taman etc)
Jumping around is like 'kena' poisoning, transfer to another tank is of no use if they already got poisoned , they will continue to died.
Like my case when a new plant i brought release pesticide. Transferred shrimps still continue to died slowly for almost a week.

Or anythings new you feed them recently, and ask your family members did anyone ever use insecticide near or putting hand/things in your tank.
Don't dip your hand in the tank if you just wash your hand with soap.

This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 25 2012, 07:21 PM

unfortunately i didn't find a way to cure it other then seeing them died one by one, but you can put in Active carbon to absorb pesticide and
seachem purigen to clear up organic waste, a vacuum of the soil/gravel is recommend if organic waste build-up is suspected.
You can use organic based soap to clean your hand or wash/rinse your hand thoroughly before handling the tank.

I have been to this pesticide and organic waste problem before as my tank is actually a planted tank converted to shrimps tank,
Those plant debris and waste accumulated at soil is slowly killing my shrimps , each day will have like one to two died until i realize how
dirty my substrate are although water is crystal clear. I did a major vacuuming of the ADA soil , do a 70% water change, fill up tank and put in
Purigen, change my feeding pattern and food. (no longer feeding food that unstable and easy polluting the tank.)

For shrimps tank you need to maintain high level of beneficial bacteria not only in filter but on anywhere in the tank , those bacteria will help
decompose waste, build-up bio-film(food) etc, you have to choose some food & supplement that will provide those bacteria or help decompose of
waste beside the normal shrimps food. Borneowild Bebi/mosura bio-plus is not only shrimp & shrimplets food but also as waste decompose helper, Mosura Old Sea Mud will also help in absorbing toxic and cleanup waste.
My routine every morning is to dose old sea mud & a little bit of bebi or bio-plus to the tank, at night will feed some small amount of shrimps pellet plus bebi/bio-plus. occasionally boiled organic spinach etc. ( i usually won't buy/feed those shrimps food that come in small/micro form that will sunk anywhere in the tank as those food will be impossible to retrieve and will pollute the soil unless they can self decompose like bebi/bio-plus)
Mineral and breeding aid and other conditional will be added occasionally. Every 2 weeks or more i will throw in a ADA bacter ball for them to feed on.

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Added on April 26, 2012, 3:08 amcubic 1 feet tank will be 27L water capacity, not too bad. Lighting 11w to 15w is more then enough , plants can be just moss or with ferns, i don't recommend Anubias, for me i use only moss, moss got lot of variety and appearance, search for it in google. Moss you need to tight to wood or rock, you can get some cheap wood from nilufar pets & aqua shop in tesco jln kuchai lama, but for any new wood, treat it with boiling water and rinse and let it sit in a bucket to leech out tannie for a few days before use.
For gravel , you can use ADA new amazonia or just plain holland/river sand will do, but the latter won't have ph buffering capabilities.
Further read on setting up shrimps tank -> http://www.planetinverts.com/Invert%20Tank%20Setup.html

You will need a filter , a HOB(hang on back) filters , canister , sponge filters, combinations of them is possible, limit is your budget and tank size.
Air pump is a must , shrimps just love oxygen rich environment, (sponge filters need a air pump to function).

Then you need to cycle your tank, refer here for guide -> http://www.tropicalfishkeeping.com/freshwa...um-cycle-38617/

Example :

Saw the tank on the left , that tank is almost the same size of one you want, just 5cm taller, 1feet(L) x 35cm(H) x 1feet(w),
That is EBI Fluval shrimp tank, come with most items , internal filter, lighting , shrimps soil , net , shrimps food , water conditioner.
If you don't mind fork out rm300++ for it , it almost a complete set for beginner.



This post has been edited by arrow: Apr 26 2012, 03:08 AM