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 Short Review on the Exora Bold

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post Jan 2 2012, 12:16 PM

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QUOTE(forgot_86 @ Jan 2 2012, 12:11 PM)
My brother bought the avanza early this year around 75k, 1.5. Use drum brake at the back. And he always has problems to overtake, so when i ride with him we only go for middle or left lane  blush.gif  Right lane later kena highlight  tongue.gif
The guy suggest me to change to 215/45/r17. He said that is just the right size.

Hmm, somehow when the guy explain about the whole tyre things, and how wide tyres have more grip and can brake better seems to make sense  sweat.gif  But now im not sure anymore. And kept pointing out also how most BMW and Merz have big and wide tyres for that reason.

Maybe the stock tyre is the best to go. Need to do more research
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Wider tyre does improve grip and stability, at the expense of weight and fc. They are also friggin expensive.
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post Jan 5 2012, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jan 5 2012, 04:40 PM)
yes...u need to sign agreement
the stock is there already actually....if theres no car there...they can't apply for loan
they need the car's identity to apply the loan
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I think you can apply for loan without the stock, but to prepare the documents for the signing the stock must be ready (Need car specs and chassis number). Maybe that's why vinorgouki waited 2 weeks after loan approved also not yet sign, because the car has not arrive yet.
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post Jan 5 2012, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(MR_alien @ Jan 5 2012, 04:52 PM)
hmm...maybe
cuz i remember that when u apply the loan...an officer from the bank will go see the car be4 they approve it
so thats why need to have the car there
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Nahh...when I signed for my car it haven't arrive at the dealership yet, but was in their stockyard in Seri Kembangan. Only after I signed the loan agreement did the dealer transport my car to their showroom in Sri Petaling. All the SA gave the loan officer was my documents and the car specs.

I remember my SA tell me that I can apply loan this month and buy car next month, but subject to interest and price changes la as long as you have not signed the documents.

Maybe it depends on the relationship between the bank and the dealership.

This post has been edited by dares: Jan 5 2012, 05:17 PM
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post Jan 6 2012, 12:30 PM

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QUOTE(vinorgouki @ Jan 6 2012, 11:14 AM)
thanx for the info mr. alien n dares.

coz the SA ask me to sign the bank agreement. then he can prepare all the things n wait for the stock come.

so i nd to comfirm with u guys 1st before making any agreement.
hows any others who had approve the loan?
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Better wait until the dealership recieve your car, unless they already stock it somewhere else. You cant sign anything unless they have the chassis number, and they cant have the chassis number unless the car is already in their possession.

When you sign, make sure you check the specs of the car thorougly, including color and such, it is listed in te documents.

My sa will only bring the car to the dealership after i sign it, although they have stocked it at seri kembangan.

This post has been edited by dares: Jan 6 2012, 12:36 PM
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post Jan 10 2012, 05:08 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ Jan 10 2012, 12:58 PM)
I am planning to get a exora soon because of the space. I am torn between the Exe (Manual) and CVT. The difference is about 12k.

Looking at the budget I have (79k) I don't know any good justification to spend 12k to swtich to CVT.

Anyone mind to share his/her comment?
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If you buy cps, kenot naik genting with full load. tongue.gif
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post Jan 10 2012, 06:04 PM

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QUOTE(neozombie @ Jan 10 2012, 05:59 PM)
Underated statement...

have u been to genting using exora before.... ... ?? dont give false statement
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You see the tongue smiley at the end of the sentence?

It is well known that the exora cps 4at is underpowered especially climbing hill, let alone at a full load of 7 people. What are you so defensive about?
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post Jan 10 2012, 06:20 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ Jan 10 2012, 06:10 PM)
I am well aware of the weakness of 4AT CPS. Normally you don't get much horsepower with AT especially during gear transition.

But does MT having similar problem?

Or can MT go up Genting ?
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Any car can go up genting, just a matter how slow you are willing to go, even risk engine overheat.

MT exora cps i am not familiar, maybe someone can shed some light on it. Butnif you have not test drive the cfe + cvt, please takeit for a spin. It will be money well spent esp if you carry many people most of the time.
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post Jan 10 2012, 07:58 PM

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QUOTE(fx20 @ Jan 10 2012, 06:24 PM)
Tested BOLD Premium 2 weeks ago. I like it very much,  but 12k more. Can only full loan 70k and no extra cash at hand, sad.gif
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Well since your budget is fixed, nothing can do about it blush.gif

QUOTE(A2Z2U @ Jan 10 2012, 07:48 PM)
Bro, I know the turbo kick in at 2000rpm. How about the pickup below 2000rpm? let's say from 1000-1999rpm, is it same as normal cps or better in term of pickup?
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Like any other normal car.
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post Jan 11 2012, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 11 2012, 08:09 AM)
erm,actually, cfe has more torque than cps from 1k-2k rpm, u can refer to torque graph. If u want to get optimum fuel efficiency, u shud drive below 2k rpm before the tubo unit kick in coz when it kicks, more fuel will be injected to perform complete combustion coz air ratio already diff(a lot of air coz forced induction), n fuel ratio need to balance it, so,it is known as air fuel ratio.

About feeling delay or not moving,it is due to cvt misconception by those who are not familiarize with cvt. If u get uncomfortable with cvt behavior,thats why sat button is created.

In cvt, rpm meter easily jump up n speedo is not following the rpm until it reach desire speed@designated rpm.

If u want to have feeling rpm n speedo move accordingly together, just set sat on.

To said cfe torque at rpm 1k-1999k rpm is low than cps unit,is totally wrong. 90% of torque for cps only available@3k rpm which is only 135nm@3k rpm,which cfe already reach nearly 160nm of torque as low as 1500 rpm, more than peak torque of cps 150nm at 4.5krpm.

So,hopefully this will clear the picture


Added on January 11, 2012, 8:15 amcompression ratio is not only about performance,it is also about efficiency n also lower comp ratio allow the engine to accept low octane fuel.

Normally high performance na engine has high comp ratio,and its cause them only to accept premium@high octane fuel only. Thats why type r n swift sport only can accept minimum premium fuel as ron 97 in malaysia.


Added on January 11, 2012, 8:17 amthats is also why cvvt existed in cfe,to cater low end torque from 1-2k rpm before tubo unit kick in.
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I was beginning to wonder when is anyone gonna bring up the vvt in the context of the campro cfe.

This post has been edited by dares: Jan 11 2012, 10:32 AM
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post Jan 11 2012, 03:36 PM

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QUOTE(imin @ Jan 11 2012, 03:14 PM)
this article here http://www.arenakereta.com/13/12/2011/prot...d-h-line-prime/ mentioned that exora bold FL will come out soon.. hmm
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Exora FL = Exora Bold / Exora Prime. No such thing as Exora Bold FL, at least not yet.


QUOTE(mat79 @ Jan 11 2012, 03:31 PM)
of couse vios is price higher due to tax, but also due to traders profit. Let me inform u, vios is under asean cept program n it being tax the same as locals @ 75% excise duty n 10% sales tax. 10% ckd import tax is wave due to cept.Same as saga,@ 75% excise duty n 10% sales tax. Please refer to www.maa.org.my to get clear picture.

Locals rebate 50% on excise duty already lifted since 2009,it is under nap program. So,now they are equally in term of tax paid. Refer to www.customs.org.my , www.maa.org.my n midf website.

So, what had happened? It is higher traders profit charge by toyota to us. If u have opportunity to look at ap paperworks,u will be shock coz even some take traders profit at 70k percar,its not from europe,it is from asia country.

Saga is not relevant to compare to vios, coz even without tax, its still cheaper than vios. True competitor is persona elegance n gen2.

Just wait for p321a, it is direct competitor with vios n city, with same tax applied, n judge whether prtn can do better or not compare to vios@city.

Dont talk about old tax structure coz we are now in 2012. Happy motoring.


Added on January 11, 2012, 3:33 pmjust wait whether p321a premium is par with inspira @ rm80 below or better or lesser.
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Good info.

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post Jan 19 2012, 10:40 PM

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QUOTE(kimsim @ Jan 19 2012, 08:08 AM)
Lotus is a selfish company,
where they need help proton to built the engine 1.6l or 1.8l engine for proton...

Normally we saw on the satria or persona at rear bonnet and pasted the handering by lotus logo.

That's just a trusted on proton, cause that model of car have ask lotus company to help up for tested only.

If the lotus can help up for proton and product the best 1.6cc and the engine technology just modify on lotus, then the proton won't facing up the Campro engine on bad FC and underpower performance.

That is what I mean.
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Hahahahahaha Lotus testing only? Proton OWNS Lotus. Whatever Proton wants, Lotus must do. That involves developing the suspension for the Proton cars.

And dude, who did you think helped Proton develop the Campro engine?

Let me give you a hint, L_TUS.

Unless, you still think Campro was developed by Renault.



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post Jan 19 2012, 10:52 PM

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QUOTE(turbocharged @ Jan 19 2012, 10:47 PM)
Oh cool, so fake lancer has lotus handling and lotus engine. Can we call it fake lotus Elise
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No

Still fake Lancer.
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post Jan 21 2012, 06:23 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jan 21 2012, 05:04 PM)
About suspension and handling department no doubt lotus is well known but it is the other way round for engine if i am not mistaken, as they uses toyota engine for their car. So how are they suppose to help proton built engine if they use third party engine?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotus_Cars#Pr...tus_Engineering

Lotus Engineering has developed engines for multiple car manufacturers. As for why their cars use Toyota engines, I think others are more knowledgeable than me.

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post Jan 21 2012, 06:45 PM

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QUOTE(leechers @ Jan 21 2012, 06:38 PM)
I dint know that. Thanks for the info
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No problem.
I think mat79 can shed more light on this.
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post Jan 22 2012, 06:01 PM

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QUOTE(Longy @ Jan 22 2012, 05:55 PM)
I heard about this many times from Proton owners. SA trying to push the unit they have and give all types of excuses. Proton, try to understand when a car owner wants to books a car, he or she has already decided on a particular colour of the car, please advise your SA to stop pushing the other cars with excuses. I heard the same 15yrs ago and I'm still hearing it from SA.
Proton has a proper booking system, then where is the problem of not able to supply what the customer want ?. Is it from the production side or SA themselves ?
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It is the dealership trying to clear their own stock, not necessarily proton ask them to.
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post Jan 22 2012, 09:31 PM

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Awesome post as usual mat79, particularly interesting is the genesis of the iafm thumbup.gif
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post Jan 22 2012, 11:14 PM

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QUOTE(allenultra @ Jan 22 2012, 10:54 PM)
do read more posts from mat79 in persona r thread. iafm+ not found in any proton cars yet.

iafm+ solves the low end torque problem where max torque arrives earlier at low rpm than predeccesors.
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Campro iafm+ refers to the entire engine, not just the iafm. As far as i know the difference between the campro iafm+ and campro iafm is the cam profile, NOT the iafm. Campro Iafm+ was introduced with the saga flx.

Essentially, the campro iafm+ was designed to achieve its max bhp and torque at a lower rpm, to keep the cvt running within its specified operating speed. Hence, it also results in lower fc because you dont have to rev as high as you would in the older iafm engine.
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post Jan 23 2012, 07:41 PM

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QUOTE(eidda @ Jan 23 2012, 07:27 PM)

Q2.if Q1 can, can i use L mode in long period time when speeding (use 1-2hour).how gearbox, will burn or not..

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You might run out of petrol first.... blink.gif
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post Jan 24 2012, 09:33 AM

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QUOTE(eidda @ Jan 24 2012, 07:56 AM)
this actually i want to ask.. cool2.gif
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Same here. I gone through the manual last night...couldnt find any references to this thing sweat.gif
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post Jan 25 2012, 01:03 AM

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Do you often run you fuel tank nearly dry before refueling?

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