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post Sep 22 2012, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(gracelim2202 @ Sep 22 2012, 01:28 PM)
Hi all, need some advice here.

I am about to sell a property through a RE agent.
The agent wanted to charge 3% commission and ask me to bear for the 6% GST on the commission as well. Is this the normal practice?
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According to this site, the agent can charge a maximum of 3%, but it shld be negotiated between the parties before you appoint the agent.

http://www.lppeh.gov.my/fees.html

With regard to the service tax (not GST,mind you. That has not been implemented yet), the agent is bound to collect it from the client and pay it to the govt. Do ensure that you get a receipt for it though.
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QUOTE(Louiz @ Sep 23 2012, 11:48 AM)
Is this agreement bind to the Agent Company and not the agent person?

What if refuse to proceed the SPA where the agreement is signed by my brother and the TITLE is under my name? Do i need to pay any compensation?

Is there any problem? Is this agreement valid and the balance of the deposit will be refund upon SPA signed?

DARIO pls help...
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You issued the cheque in favour of the agency right? Then your cause of action lies against the agency. Doesn't matter about the agent. Money is with the agency anyway.

QUOTE(Louiz @ Sep 23 2012, 11:48 AM)
What if refuse to proceed the SPA where the agreement is signed by my brother and the TITLE is under my name? Do i need to pay any compensation?

Is there any problem? Is this agreement valid and the balance of the deposit will be refund upon SPA signed?
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That can't be possible. The SPA would be prepared in the name of the registered proprietor. Of course the person whose name appears in the deed has to sign, not anyone else. Unless there is a PA.
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post Sep 25 2012, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(reno virgin @ Sep 24 2012, 12:21 PM)
Hi Dario

Appreciate some advice on the following.......

My house in under 3 names....me, my mum n my sis (equal share)

a) If i would like to transfer the title to my name i understand that i would get 50% of the stamp duty for the portion transferred from my mum to me and no reduction for the my sister's portion to me? is my understanding correct? Is is possible to obtain a further discount for my mum's portion?

b) the MOT to be paid would be based on the market value of the house as determined by the land office? For eg if house valued at 800k, MOT would be RM18k so 1/3 each would be 6k so i need to pay 9k (3k for mum portion and 6k sister portion) ?

c) would it be correct to say that the best way to to do this would be to transfer my sis portion to my mum first and then subsequently transfer the 2/3 portion fr my mum to me?

d) is it possible to do the above transfers concurrently with loan documentation for a housing loan simultaneously? i would like think option b would be feasible but not option c .......

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a) Yes. No further rebate. The 50% sum is fixed.
b) Yes.
c) No.
d) The rebate is only for transfer out of love and affection only. That means that there is no SPA and no loan involved. Just an MOT with a clean transfer. After that you can apply for a loan and charge the title to the bank as collateral.
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QUOTE(NahseK312 @ Sep 24 2012, 04:43 PM)
Hi Dario,

I'm refinancing my parents' home. The loan amount comes to RM206k, and the legal fee is about RM5.3k. Is that a reasonable amount? I took a RM275k loan before and the fee was about RM3.5k. The current loan has a list of charges that I don't understand. Is there anything that is out of place here? Also, if I decide that I can't afford the loan and want to pull out, will there be any charges? Thanks!
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Whether it is fair or not, do compare with the many samples in v1 of this thread. Many samples and comments there.

Legal fees does not only depends on the loan sum. It depends on type of property and type of loan as well.

If you pull out after signing the letter of offer and if a loan lawyer has been appointed and work done, you might need to pay some fees. How much ? Depends on the bank and loan lawyer.
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QUOTE(Manutd_devilz @ Sep 24 2012, 08:16 PM)
Hi Dario sifu,

I had recently bought a house with SPA signed on 13/07/2012 everything looks OK but recently I was told that the bank and the developer have some issues in the undertaking.
The bank is not agree with some clauses in the undertaking while the developer is firm on their clause. This case has been delayed for almost a week now and my SPA completion date is near where it would be around 13/10/12. There seems to be no end of this issue and I am afraid I will need to bear the penalty charges if delayed. FYI, I have a common lawyer for SPA and Loan.

1. May I know if the dispute is between bank and developer, do I still need to pay the late interest penalty?
2. If yes, what can I do to protect myself as I am not involved in the delay? I feel it is very unfair to me.
3. Is the 3 months completion date include weekend and public holiday?
4. Based on your experience, can my SPA completed on time if they finally agree their undertaking by this week?
5. Shall I highlight this issue to my lawyer to prevent any penalty by developer?

What shall I do?

Thanks in advance.
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1. Yes.
2. There's nothing you can do. Perhaps follow up closely with your lawyer and find out how he plans to resolve the problem.
3. Yes it does.
4. Hard to tell since I do not know of other factors. Your lawyer would know best since the whole file is with him.
5. Your lawyer should be sorting it out right now himself, as the matter cannot progress unless one party budges with the LU. Most likely it has to be the developer who has to issue a new LU as banks are very 'skema' and always refuse to move out of their comfort zone when dealing with things.
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(reno virgin @ Sep 25 2012, 11:19 AM)
Hi Dario thanks for your reply

Just wondering why is the answer No for part C....besides it being time consuming
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It comes to the same thing when you calculate. You still pay full duty if half duty is paid twice.
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post Sep 25 2012, 01:40 PM

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QUOTE(Manutd_devilz @ Sep 25 2012, 12:26 PM)
Thanks Dario sifu for prompt reply,

I have been following up very closely with my lawyer and he is saying that he is now waiting for the bank senior management to approve the LU since the developer is firm with the decison and they are still holding my sort of title grant. The developer has seek legal advice from the legal department and they are not going to issue new LU. Bank on the other side also seem not agree with the LU. I am afraid their decision is not approve and keep on dragging the issue.
At the end I am going to pay the penalty which I felt is totally unfair to me.
Aside of waiting for the approval alone. What else can I try to do?
Can my laywer act as a stake holder or something to sort the issue?

Thanks,
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Stakeholder for what? The monies?

Nothing else to advise you further than what I've done so in my previous post. Just be patient and will till they sort things out. I'm sure one party will budge in the end.
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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Sep 25 2012, 12:34 PM)
Any sifu can comment because if the project under HDA, under the HDA Act/Regulation:

No housing developer shall collect any payment by wahtever name called except as prescribed by the contract of sale.

Under the standard SPA in the Act/Regulation, only the 10% is provided upon signing SPA. Hence legally the developer can only charge some admin fee and cannot forfeit the booking fee, right?
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Forfeit the booking fee for what reason? Please provide more details.
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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Sep 25 2012, 02:03 PM)
Let say after paying booking fee change mind and not sign S&P, can the developer forfeit the booking fee or can developer only charge the admin fee?

What is the protection to consumers under HDA and HDA regulation?
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You're right. Under the HDA, 10% is paid upon execution of the SPA and nothing earlier. It also does not allow the developer to contract out of the terms of Schedule G or H in the HDA.

However in reality, the practice is for developers to collect a booking fee.

My opinion is that they have to refund the booking fee to you less any admin charges allegedly incurred. If they forfeit the whole sum your remedy is to appoint a lawyer to sue but most people do not do so simply because the cost of hiring a lawyer would be more than the booking fee itself.
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QUOTE(brianccg @ Sep 25 2012, 01:47 PM)
Dario Sifu

1. The seller call off the deal after I paid booking and bank loan approved.  Can I asked them to pay me liquidated damages?  If they refuse, what should I do?

2. In addition, can a non bumi buy a property from bumi owner?  The property is landed leasehold and I read through the title, did not stated it is bumi lot.  From the title can we know if it is bumi lot?  I know if Malay reserved land, it will stated in the title but not sure about bumi unit.

3. If it is non bumi lot, is that difficult to transfer from bumi name to non bumi name?  Consent will take how long? It is under DBKL.

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1. Why did they call it off. Must be a reason. Did you miss the deadline to sign the SPA?

2. Check with the developer if it is a bumi lot. Can transfer but subject to consent of state authority.

3. It is really subjective. Can be 1month even to one year.
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QUOTE(brianccg @ Sep 25 2012, 02:42 PM)
I also dont know why seller cancel and agent told me they want to sell to relative.  I did not miss the deadline to sign SPA in fact is ahead.
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What is the liquidated damages as stated in the booking form? If you can accept that and if they are willing to pay, then go ahead. Otherwise, you would need to litigate the matter.
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QUOTE(CMW123 @ Sep 25 2012, 03:47 PM)
How much you estimate to engage a lawyer just to issue a demand letter quoting the HDA Act?
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There's no fixed rate, there's no estimate rate. Litigation lawyers are like cars - there's Proton, Toyota, Merc, BMW. Different brands of course different set of fees.
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QUOTE(cychoy @ Sep 25 2012, 05:39 PM)
Hi ALL!

I has recently purchased a sub-sale unit. The seller is lawyer and he told me his lawyer firm will act on his behalf as seller. That's mean I am unrepresented as a Buyer. He asked would I am ok with this arrangement?

Please advise if I could do this way? My objective is to save on legal fee.

Thanks!
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It does not mean that you are unrepresented. You as purchaser need to appoint your own lawyer as there is a substantial bit of work for the purchaser's lawyer to do compared to the vendor, who can choose to be unrepresented. Plus, since the vendor is a lawyer I would suggest that you appoint an experienced lawyer who can act in your best interests. Refer to my post in the first page of this thread on tips to appoint a good lawyer for your SPA.

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QUOTE(gigigaga @ Sep 26 2012, 11:27 AM)
Hi,

after fully settle the bank house loan, can i personally do the loan discharge  process by myself, if cannot what is the lawyer charge the fees?
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Do you know how to prepare the relevant form, i.e. Deed of Receipt and Reassignment and attend at Court for revocation of PA as well as stamping of the Deed of RnR at LHDN? If yes, then you can do it yourself.

Legal fees would be fixed at RM400 (RM300 for Deed of RnR and RM100 for revocation of PA), plus a few hundred more for disbursements.

QUOTE(gigigaga @ Sep 26 2012, 11:27 AM)
now i want to change the property name from wife to husband, but the property still under master title ,but is ready to transfer to individual title, shall i change the title or change name and title at the same time ?

can i do all the process without the lawyer?

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Direct transfer can be done subject to agreement of developer. See what they say. Otherwise, you have to do back to back MOTs. However, the second would be exempt from stamp duty if it is from wife to husband AND if it is out of love and affection (no SPA, just transfer with no money changing hands).

If you know how to prepare the MOT as prescribed in the National Land Code, filling up of PDS form, submission for adjudication, dealing with developer and presentation of MOT at Land Office, then yes, you can do it yourself.

Legal fees for preparation of MOT depends on the market value of the property and is scaled according to it. You can download the SRO at the first page to find out more about the legal fees. It would not be the same as for SPA but much more less.
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QUOTE(shing1987 @ Sep 26 2012, 02:39 PM)
Hi Dario,

The lawyer had post to me this letter to prove the reject letter of lhdn.

I felt very disappoint with the negligent service by the lawyer..
And i wish i could get back my money.
Is there anything else i can do?
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When was the SPA aborted? Was it within 1 yr period? When did the lawyer apply for the refund? You need to establish more facts before you can accuse the lawyer of being negligent. Just because the SPA was aborted does not mean that the lawyer is negligent. You need to prepare a proper chronology of events and see what went wrong, how it went wrong, and whose fault it was. There are other parties involved as well, from what you stated in your earlier post. About liquidators and some quit rent issue. For now your explanation is vague, so I cannot say for sure if you have a good case against the lawyer for negligence.
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QUOTE(uanmal3437 @ Sep 26 2012, 03:54 PM)
Hi Dario,

When paying earnest deposit and signing booking form, normally the following clause is inserted in the booking form:

"Purchaser hereby undertake to execute SPA with 14 working days from the date of acceptance of purchase provided there is no delay from Vendor or vendor's solicitor in agreeing terms and conditions of SPA, failing which the said earnest deposit shall be forfeited."

This serves as a protection to vendor.

But how about protection to the purchaser?
If the SPA is ready and purchaser signs the SPA within 14days but vendor delays signing the SPA, does purchaser have rights to abort the purchase and demand for earnest deposit refund?
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Why would the purchaser want to abort the purchase when he wants the house? And when he has paid legal fees, applied for a loan, etc? It is not common for it to happen.

If the vendor delays signing the SPA, the completion date will be longer and the purchaser would have more time to complete the transaction. Would that not be beneficial to the purchaser? in the interim, the loan processing and loan documentation can be sorted. This will mean faster turnover, so it can be completed within the 3 months' period. The vendor is punished by having to wait longer for his money, if he delays signing the SPA.
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QUOTE(X-Zen @ Sep 26 2012, 05:59 PM)
Hi Dario

Again thanks for your contribution to this thread
I got a question regarding purchase of a leasehold property from bumi to a non bumi

However that unit is NOT a designated BUMI lot
We still need to get state consent right?

Normally in this scenario, do we state in the S&P that the 3+1 period only kicks in once consent by the state has been given?

Worry that the state will delay or reject the first time hence cannot meet the 3+1 timing
What is the normal S&P procedure on this?

Thanks
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I would not know as I do not have a copy of the title. What does it say? If it says consent is required then it does not matter when the owner is bumi or otherwise.

If consent is required, then it is a condition precedent to the SPA. If no consent is obtained, the SPA is nullified and the deposit is refunded. Time starts to run from the date of receipt of the letter of consent from the authorities. More often than not, a period of 6 months is given to obtain consent. Sometimes even 6+ 3, i.e. a total of 9 months. More than enough to apply and then appeal, if unsuccessful.
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QUOTE(JW3333 @ Sep 26 2012, 09:42 PM)
Hi Dario,

Just to check whether any charges to Seller if the process for SPA take more than 90 days? This is mainly due to his bank delay to present the title.

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Delay by vendor due to bank delay to PRESENT the title? Presentation refers to presentation to register at the land office. This is done on the purchaser's side, not the vendor. Perhaps you mean delay by the bank to handover the title to the purchaser's or vendor's lawyer?

If the delay was as such, then the completion date would be extended in your favour. Calculate the number of days of delay from the number of days given to the vendor to obtain title from his financier. If 14 days was given and 20 days was taken to perform, then you have another 6 days to add to your completion date. So, there would be no late penalty interest for that extra 6 day period.

QUOTE(JW3333 @ Sep 26 2012, 09:42 PM)

Besides, when can I takeover the key if the last payment already released by bank? What is the normal procedure? Can I charge the seller if he handover late based on the date of last payment released?

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What is stated in your SPA?

Usually the vendor has to handover keys within 5 working days from the date of receipt of the balance purchase price. On the 6th day onwards, you would be entitled to charge late penalty interest upon him. However, for your case, check your SPA as to how many days are stipulated.
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QUOTE(mcrayfc @ Sep 27 2012, 03:32 PM)
Can you please advise if the fees are reasonable? Why is the professional charge for DOA so high?
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When it comes to love and affection, the fees are not scaled according to the purchase price but is of a "reasonable amount not less than RM300".

Download the SRO at the first page, and see page 21 clause 4(a).

If you still think that it is so expensive, then get another quotation, and keep on doing so until you are satisfied with the cheapest.

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QUOTE(xbotzz @ Sep 27 2012, 02:12 PM)
Need you advice on the pricing. Is this a fair value.
Also, by doing this, can I achieve my intentions.

Regards
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Same advice as my previous post. When it comes to love and affection as consideration, it does not follow the scaled fees and the fees are "any reasonable sum not less than RM300".

Of course, don't expect RM300 to be the fees but having said so, what is reasonable differs from one person to another.

It is not a difficult transaction and for this lawyer to charge you so high for disbursements itself (RM250 for transport is too high), I'd advise you to get another quotation.

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