Combination of correct 101011 etc is very costly.

Wah, this thread is getting interesting. So I'll just throw in something I posted in another thread to add some confusion.

"This is not an endorsement for ahem BDs but truth must be told. Though most ahem BDs are 25GB vs most orignal BDs at 50GB, it is not really half the quality. There are two portions here, the audio and the video. As far as the HD audio is concerned, there is vitually no loss of quality but you may not have the full range of audio options (some languages not available, maybe only 5.1 vs 7.1 in original or no audio commentary, and so forth.) There is some loss in the video quality since the bit-rate will be lower because of the reduced capacity but it is probably only noticeable viewing in high end equipment or if comparing side by side. For pratical purposes, it is almost the same. You may also lose some of the extras found in the original but video quality is still much better than DVDs, even the original. The 50GB ahem BDs will probably have everything in the original but at RM40, it is more expensive than some original BD. The physical quality and reliability of the ahem BD is of course unknown. Just my view so others will disagree.

Considering the above points and price of some of the original BDs on offer, I agree that it is definitely not worth getting the ahem BDs. Just a current example, the Alien Anthology (6-BD set) is on sale at Amazon UK for GBP13.97 which works out to less than RM13 per disc including shipping. You get the original with the full works so in conclusion - no fight - buy Original!"

BTW, there are different quality of ahem BDs depending on the source so buyers will have different experience and you will not know what you'll be getting or what will be missing. Thus safer to buy original and even cheaper for some titles! Unless you don't really care.

This post has been edited by ronaldkwok: Dec 7 2011, 01:01 PM

I have both BDR and Original BD. To me they are the same as long as it is one to one copy without any compression on SQ or PQ.

yo buddy, never admit yourself of owning any pirated disc.

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Added on December 7, 2011, 1:31 pmwow, interesting topic for discussion, i guess most of us from bluray thread will not support pirated disc, not only the quality dif, in term of packing & reliability, besides original is getting cheaper, pls support original

PS: i just heard from a friend, he bought the "P" disc from china, only cost him RM6/disc

This post has been edited by johnbluraylover: Dec 7 2011, 01:31 PM

as long as original BDs prices remain reasonable and easy to obtain , there will be demand

omg , RM6/disc and P somemore, oh those chinese are so smart

Hahaha did I say pirated? No I only said BDR, I used BDR to backup the original mah

Agree with you bro wiNd, if a genuine BD price cheaper than BDR, would anyone go for a truncated materials? I'm sure some will due to the availability. This is beyond the authorities control to bust piracy as most of it decided diplomatically. So govt should take severe actions on those mongers first , that ensure people comparing genuine item and non-genuine item..

Just a thought..

I think BD prices now is quite reasonable. During the VHS days we used to pay around RM40-RM50 for the original VHS tapes. Now the BD price is around that range also. But i wish it will be cheaper

What a good statement!!

Its the same logic that applies to high and low quality hdmi cables..

Sorry I can't help it but to return my comment here although I did made a vow not to, (sorry to disappoint those airheads who can't make any concrete comment apart from 'this thread is close'). Like I mention before this topic has been in everyone's mind just that no one wants to open the pandora's box and be accused of 'promoting piracy'.

Let's face the facts, who here can claim that in their lifetime they have never download torrent films/music, buy ahem cd/vcd/DVD? It's not that I'm trying to justify whether or not it's right or wrong. It's definitely NOT right to buy any form of piracy. But actually we're here to make a genuine comparison whether there is a difference to a low budget HT kaki in terms of AQ/PQ. If we can convince/educate people that there is actually so much benefit we can gain from getting a BD then I strongly believe we can eradicate piracy in the form of 'ahem ahem cough cough BDR'

Everyone has a right to enjoy HD movie, irregards of BD or BDR. No one has the right to criticize or look down on those who stand on the 'wrong' side of the fence (ahem ahem cough cough). Everyone needs to start somewhere right? By learning to appreciate the plus point of BD only will more consumers take the Full HD leapt of faith to join the genuine BD supporters group.

Even myself would love to learn to appreciate the finer side of BD, to buy the best equiptment from HTkaki or get my calibration from Anfield Dude. That is why I started this thread....to learn from all the experience members here. But I have to start my learning process the hard way with my hd ready tv, entry level Yamaha receiver, Pasar Road 5.1 speakers, BD & BDR to compare. To be honest with my entry level HD gadget I can't tell any bloody difference.

I'm sure a lot of members here would be able to identify or share my predicament. And that is the whole point of having a forum, to share and learn from each other. I sincerely would like to thank those who had contributed valuable info in this thread. I learn so much from you guys. To those holier than thou whatever you call yourself......"and therefore never send to know for whom the bells tolls; it tolls for thee."

This post has been edited by ediaikau: Dec 8 2011, 12:28 AM

My experience
50G BDR
PQ - Good
AQ - Good but cannot trust, Some it shown DTS-HD 5.1 but only 2CH from FL & FR.. (make me understand how good they brag, still something missing that we don't know)

25G BDR
PQ - Good
AQ - At least still got 5.1 but sometime notice the sound not that great, but don't expect much since already know this is 25G
Special feature - normally can't play as already taken away so the movie can store in 25G

One thing that above BDR annoying me is when I want to playback on other language or some features that written on the cover and realized it was not available.

Blu-ray from Amazon or imported version bought at local store (now have some Blu-ray with Local Packing which I don't have any yet)
PQ - Good
AQ - of course is good, and get everything as written on the cover.
Special feature - get everything as written on the cover
Bonus - depend on which title or which version that you bought

PQ that I say good for all this 3 kinds of Blu-ray because I can't tell major different from my eye.. May be with higher end gadget which I do not own.

Certain BDR is fake, it not running official release BD, example obvious I check last time was "Gone with the Wind". It is pre-loaded with old copy DVD.

Beside this, I also found before two titles that record with skip frame (look like record with 12fps), and etc etc....

Nothing is promising for BDR, depends on the record source and record method.

This post has been edited by Andrewtst: Dec 8 2011, 09:17 AM

i think majority ppl r using entry level equipments to watch Blu-ray (not many can afford high-end stuff)

if u cant differentiate BD/BDR's PQ/AQ... its fine...you may stick to BDR, but u cant deny in overall, original BD will give u the ultimate Blu-ray experience. something you will appreciate more rather than a piece of disc

besides that, original BD will have resale value...(BDR, i dont think so..illegal so sell)

yeap... to be frank sometimes i encounter popping sound from my 10' sub while watching BDR titles, especially explosive scenes...

the one i remember clearly was a 50GB BDR IronMan2... damn potong stim wei~~

Might or might not be a BDR issue, it could also be your sub is bottoming out because it cannot handle the explosion.

Can't agree more.

^^^ then you should watch digital broadcast since it is 10010 also

The whole value chain with lossy compression is not so simple. When every thing can be lossless then it is true.

hey, DVD also uses 101010 data info

so DVD = BD ?

........................... VCD also 1010101............

Sumting for nuthin .. or close to it..

Who dont want tat.. But lets be fair and do the rite ting.. buy original so de magic can continue..

Aftr saying tat .. bootleg stuff can never be trusted to offer wat de original does, eg.. it says dts hd but offer only dts core only.. if u can live wif tat , then fine and gud.. if not , why complain since when u pay peanuts..

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