Jeez I was a master league and almost grandmasters player for sometime man, not everybody that disliked the game was necessarily bad at it. It's just funny you guys can say the game is growing when the SEA server is empty as hell......and you are bragging about how LoL and Dota players can't control more than 1 unit lol. Funny thing is the thread creator FXOboss just had his NA squad disbanded.

This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Aug 23 2013, 01:37 PM

note: Josh left FXO like almost year ago in case u dunno

and u have good dota2 teams like Kaipi which got fcked up by Valve in TI3 invites and missed out events from the lack of sponsors...
Blizzard outdid Valve in this regards before everyone worship Valve due to a once in a year tournament while they did nothing for smaller tournaments or even funding teams to survive all year long (especially lesser known teams or new bloods)...
look at the NA dota2 scene and how many offline Dota2 events is there...
know more about the dota2 scene b4 making comments about it geez...

sigh at TI3 bandwagons

Riot > Blizzard > Valve as far as eSport contribution goes...
and don't forget half of the TI3 prize pool were funded by the compendium buyers themselves...

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 23 2013, 01:55 PM

Throwing people insults always start a fight and isn't objective to this discussion.
Secondly, I personally believe the design of the UI system isn't 'bad' but improvements would be highly welcomed with regards to social aspects.
Ability to control more than 1 thing =/= pro. Other games also have their tactical or strategic elements within the game that has to be considered. The more random these variables are, the more complex it can become. Please do take note.

Cultural elements in Malaysia would always be a problem for Pay to play based gaming. This is of course due to the nature of our national financial status within the global economy. RTS games in general for Malaysia have always been very low due to this and the next reason below.

Moreover, RTS games are by default have a lower base population (competitive wise) due to the nature of the genre itself and the learning curve. The big chunk of players are also more casual which the steep learning curve strongly discourages such players from entering such games.
Team games in general also have better population since its after all a team game. I've probably mentioned this once before but people prefer games with more social elements aka teams.

The games being discussed are different genres entirely. Comparison of quantity should be made within the same class ideally. After that, we can put further discussion to this.

Now I need to get back to work lol. Have a good day

pretty much why people should stop comparing sc2, lol, dota2, wot etc altogether...
as i've said, apple vs oranges...
as a person who play both games and actively participate in their events, both have their pros and cons...

if u wanna say a good contributor for a competitive scene, look at Wizards of the Coast and what they are doing for MTG...
their model is imho the best you can emulate...

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inb4 Hearthstone as the new eSport lolx

Kaipi is not a good dota 2 team, they don't even have solid rooster and players get replaced over and over again. I never once said the NA Dota scene was big in the 1st place, it barely has offline events compared to Europe and Sea, the interview with erik johnson from valve said they would not bother sponsoring teams and hosting events etc as the community has to do it themselves. And yes I know he left the organisation a year ago.
Finally somebody that can make a solid argument without insulting somebody else, I guess you do have a point here.

This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Aug 23 2013, 02:07 PM

Kaipi not a good dota2 team? Seriously?
EternalEnvy was the founder and captain of NTH (winner of Dreamhack as well) which became Alliance (aka winner of TI3), Arteezy is known as the best solo mid in the western scene totally dominating Dendi and S4 while having 400 ping, Bone7 is the best batrider in the west while easily the few offlaners who actually stay offlanes, PieLieDie is the best KotL in the west and at that time it was ComeWithMe known as the best Visage in the west...
heck even S4 gave Envy credits for the strats he came up with..

look at their performance going into the TI3 qualifiers which they were deny to even be in the qualifiers: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Kaipi
not to mention the star players which comes from the team to join other well established teams...
they replace their players often cause they kept getting the stick by Valve and not being able to grab sponsors with their latest merger with Qpad failed (and SingSing joined KP)...
Arteezy went back to school and not everyone is EternalEnvy who made a bold choice to quit uni and play fulltime on his own...
u cant have stability without sponsors in the first place...

I can make the same case for some other teams who deserve more but never given the chance to...
compared to what Blizzard and Riot is doing for the smaller scene? Valve did a bad job and how they justify it is just bad...
watch other interviews of pros and commentators which said that TI should be scaled down and help fund the smaller scenes a little...
tell that to Pinoy teams with loads of potential but still suffers from exposure...
heck even Zenith disbanded with IceIceIce saying that eSport is not possible in Singapore, looking to leave Singapore to EU or China lolx...
and here we have people like u worshiping Valve for doing a single good event once a year...

ps:

breaking into the dota2 scene is hard especially without something like IXDL for new blood to be discovered...
your only hope is to be pubstars and good luck being pubstars as a position 4/5 player...
SC2, HoN and LoL have a better public matchmaking and rating system for tat purpose and tat's what Dota2 need right now...

Since when was it Valve's job to fund the entire esport scene for Dota, both Dota allstars and BW survived without Blizzard help and Dota 2 will have to do the same if it wants to succeed. And EternalEnvy was kicked from NTH for a damn good reason as he was generally a jackass and I am pretty sure Alliance would never had won TI3 with him in the team. What Valve is supposed to do is a make a damn polished game and make sure that shine stays and unlike Blizzard that promised their god awful Battle.net 2.0 would be the future of gaming.

This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Aug 23 2013, 02:57 PM

we are talking about KP as a team which u said isn't a good dota2 team...
awaiting ur counter argument still on that cause their results say otherwise :3
and not a personal insult to EternalEnvy (which most pro players find otherwise including his ex-teammate S4 and Bulldog)

as for Valve, so since u agree with me; in what way Valve is better than Blizzard comparing what they are doing for Dota2 and SC2 now???
so u think Blizzard should nt bother with SC2 now emulating Valve and just hold a Blizzcon WCS finals without the other WCS???
i guess u dun even care that Zenith disbanded rite? i mean comeon, Valve is doing such an awesome job... i mean they even made HYHY quit Dota2 just to play LoL for his better future...

ps: Riot got LoL to be recognized as an official sports and their League as a real sporting league recently... all hail Riot!!!

tldr: stop comparing apple with oranges

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 23 2013, 02:59 PM

I'm sorry to burst your bubble, folks.

This is an SC2 forum. Please air your Dota2 gripes on the Dota2 thread, wherever it is.

bt bt bt he said dota2 > sc2
Blizzard is EVIL, Valve is GOD...
#disbandBlizzard #uninstallSC2

those that complains about the lack of sc2 tournaments/ events...
when there is one, did any bothered joining?
i for sure never saw this Jason dude anywhere...

Hahaha.

I was actually writing something on here. Quite long actually, but I decided not to post it.

MOBAs and SC2 are different, just as Valve and Blizzard are. No sense butting heads coz neither will yield. So, to each his own. Let them play their game, let's play ours.

To be honest, I play a little of Dota2 and I kinda like it, and you could only really get good at it if you play with good players, not 12 year olds who know every Yo Mamma joke on the planet. But I will not like it enough to stop playing StarCraft.

So, yeh, to each his own folks. You play your game, we play ours. You watch your tournaments, we watch ours, 1 million views or not.

They disbanded due to their piss poor performance at Ti3 and even before Ti3 they were not performing for a long long time even before that they barely had sponsors. HYHY left Dota 2 for LoL but yet i don't see him leaving Dota 2 for SC2, ever wonder why, he simply left for the money which was at LoL when no other esports (not even SC2) could pay him to even survive. You act as if rooster swaps are a big thing in the Dota scene when players swap around teams they don't like or due to lack of sponsors for a long long time even before Valve made Dota 2, the scene simply goes on since people are interested in the game.

I despise the WCS because how the event gives me the feeling that how Blizzard tosses tons of cash into it like a machine to boost their game that is going to die due to the lack of interest, the entire event feels plastic, artifical and even robotic. At the rate it is going, I expect SC2 to die out in 3-4 years time unless Blizzard figures how to properly make an event or they actually make a game that is well actually good.

This post has been edited by MYNAMEISJASON: Aug 23 2013, 03:19 PM

im sure there are alot gamer out there enjoying both game~ and watch both tournament actively, i watch and enjoy both scene and im 1 of the conpedium user...
btw SEA player alwiz hav an issue with P2P game if u know what i mean..
I think here is 1 of the reason why HyHY didnt go to sc2,
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessag...topic_id=425909

pretty much, i enjoy both games and participate in both events...
was even in Melbourne's pubstomp when I was over there, was at the BurgerLab Ti3 event, was at the Stashden Barcraft...
i dun see the need to compare or finger point cause the more esport exposure, the better...
what more when the genres are different...
the key is, the exposure is slowly making eSport accepted and recognized especially the recent Riot's effort for the US as a sport...



nope, i suggest u reading about the scene more (for Kaipi's case in the qualifiers) and watch some Ice3 streams to know the situation better about Zenith...
better not talk about things u aren't familiar with

u hate wcs? good then jz dun watch it, no1's forcing u and while u hate it; others still love it and have barcrafts going around =)
no1's forcing u to and likewise there isn't a reason for ur mass QQ/ hate over here...
there is something called the 'vocal minority' after all
i think i've heard about sc2 dying too many times till i am immune of it since like the first year it was out (terran killing sc2, patchzergs killing sc2, slayers killing sc2 etc)...
good that it dies in 3-4 years though cause tat's when sc3 should be coming? provided LotV doesnt take forever...
even if it dies, there's other RTS who will take its place

and poor blizzard, trying to improve the scene and they got called artificial plastic lolx... #recycleWCS #saynotoplastic
i'll still enjoy WCS and Blizzcon for sure


ps: still awaiting the Kaipi is not a team response... guess i'll never get it before #road2ti4

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 23 2013, 03:30 PM

Not to forget SK.MC road to 400K~ BOSSTOSS

M: What about Starcraft 2? You once said that you were going to try it out.
LoH: I said that I will try it. I tried it and I can say one thing: Koreans will kill everyone, I understood that in a week. You can only play 4v4 for fun. For 1v1 it doesn't matter how smart you are, you will get destroyed by any Korean. You can't do anything about it, until you learn to be as physically fast as they are.

^ lolx...

#freeunitskillingsc2 #koreankillingsc2

This post has been edited by evofantasy: Aug 23 2013, 03:30 PM

I want to join but i am just bronze.

if not wrong sc2sea got BSG tournament