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English Clubs Liverpool Football Club - The Kop Talks 2011, Wigan 0-0 Liverpool

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post Dec 8 2011, 01:06 PM

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ATTENTION MAINSTREAM FOOTBALL WRITERS: Here's a quick rundown of "offensive gesture" incidents to help your write your Suarez stories properly:

9 May 2011: Manchester United and England player Wayne Rooney is photographed and videotaped making a clear V-sign toward Chelsea fans. FA decides not to take action.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/ma...gn-chelsea-fans

17 December 2007: Chelsea and England player Ashley Cole is photographed making a clear V-sign toward Arsenal fans. There is no immediately available record of the FA taking any action.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/2328795/A...n-fall-out.html

19 January 2010: Manchester United and England player Gary Neville is photographed clearly extending a middle finger toward Manchester City's Carlos Tevez in full view of fans, at the end of a heated local derby. There is no immediately available record of the FA taking any action.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/ja...roberto-mancini

There's the hard part done for you. Now do your jobs. Find out whether Cole and Neville were punished -- Cole for doing precisely what Suarez is accused of, Neville for doing something similar and surely no more excusable.

If you find that they were indeed punished, then inform us, and demand the same for Suarez.

If you find that they were not, demand equal treatment for Suarez, regardless of the fact that he is your pantomime villain and does not play his international football for England.

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post Dec 8 2011, 01:10 PM

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FA intentionally hired a poor ref so when players or clubs show or voice their disappointment, then they can be charged and fined. Very good business since the case can't be brought to civil court.... (Just for LOL though)
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post Dec 8 2011, 01:11 PM

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 12:25 PM)
Ya, i will not support liverpool anymore

with this kind of thinking, just accept whatever it is,

NO UCL, MEANS NO MORE TOP COMPETITIVE FOOTBALL

WITHOUT COMPETITIVE FOOTBALL, WHO WILL COME AND PLAY FOR US
EVEN IF WE HAVE TONS OF MONEY
SLOWLY WE WILL ATTRACT SECOND LINER PLAYER RATHER THAN TOP PLAYER

THIS IS THE FACT, i feel like liverpool fans here didnt see this as priority
if we keep missing UCL , then i would rather take  a break
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awak ni kelakar lah...
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post Dec 8 2011, 01:27 PM

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I almost laugh when there was even rumours about David Villa joining us from Barca-freaking-lona.. (football transfer league) http://www.footballtransferleague.co.uk/fo..._club=Liverpool

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post Dec 8 2011, 01:35 PM

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QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 8 2011, 01:11 PM)
awak ni kelakar lah...
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mmg kelakarlah dia.. takkan mau masuk final ucl tiap tahun baru mau support kawan??

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Duke Red
post Dec 8 2011, 01:45 PM

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 12:25 PM)
Ya, i will not support liverpool anymore
You won't be missed. Bye bye.

QUOTE(bitebug @ Dec 8 2011, 12:36 PM)
Something similar to this. http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/ex-...smissal-2538441

I don't remember much, but he said that referee sometimes has to make a hard decisions. The guy also said that he would've give Spearing a red card given the situation. Some referee may give yellow but some, well, ends up like Spearing. If the referee sees/sense excessive force in the tackle whether or not the intent is there, then he deserve to be sent off. Players' safety is the main priority for refs. Something like that...
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Hmm I agree that a referees job isn't easy but being full time professionals the FA cannot continue to protect them all the time. Not long ago we've seen referees like Uriah Rennie and Mike Dean been demoted to the Championship for making really bad decisions. I'm not suggesting that a ref get demoted each time he makes a mistake, but surely there should be some punishment or is the queue to become a Premiership referee really short? I don't think so. Maybe issue demerit points depending on the severity of the mistake, and demote them only if they accumulate a said number of points? The FA needs to do something. If they don't want to introduce goal line technology or video replays, then they must be accountable for some of the bad decisions that are made by refs.

On the Spearing challenge, I really cannot agree with anyone who agrees it was a straight red. He didn't slide in two footed with studs flying. He cleared the ball and his momentum carried him into the player. Should he kick the ball a little more softly next time? Ridiculous.
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post Dec 8 2011, 01:48 PM

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hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL

do we still need to wait?

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term

most of the answer is no right
then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player
i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya
but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down

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post Dec 8 2011, 01:52 PM

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The thing you can't get through you thick skull is this. We don't support the club because we are a winning club. We support the club despite not winning, something you seem incapable of doing and understanding. The club owes you nothing. I doubt you'd understand this sentence either because you are displaying the intelligence of a rock.
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post Dec 8 2011, 02:04 PM

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 01:48 PM)
hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL

do we still need to wait?

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term

most of the answer is no right
then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player
i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya
but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down
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If you're following Liv.fc closely you would have known how many years we didnt win EPL and how many years we didnt qualify for UCL. Are you trying to insult us as a Liverpool fan by asking those stupid question ? We won the UCL back then when we're not having big stars in our team.

You need not to wait, you could just leave us alone and there you go forever alone with your "Champion Football Club" and trophies.

You're speaking as if the club owes you the EPL trophy .. there will be only one winner in each league every year .. so the other 19 teams in EPL have no fans at all ? Steven Gerrard winning the EPL trophy or not I don't care to be fair as long as the club wins the EPL trophy again no matter how long it takes, whether if we could lived long enough to witness it.

FSG is here for long term investment, this is how people do business in a successful way.

You think life always go as how you want it to be ? You should seek for someone or in anyway that will be a better guidance to you in life because theres something wrong in what you're believing now.


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post Dec 8 2011, 02:06 PM

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 01:48 PM)
hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL

do we still need to wait?

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term

most of the answer is no right
then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player
i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya
but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down
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pergilah sokong man city wahai si plastic, im sure you wont be dissapointed this season whistling.gif
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post Dec 8 2011, 02:08 PM

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QUOTE(Adell G @ Dec 8 2011, 03:06 PM)
pergilah sokong man city wahai si plastic, im sure you wont be dissapointed this season  whistling.gif
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barcelona is better. every season sure win punya.
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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 02:48 PM)
hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL

do we still need to wait?

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term

most of the answer is no right
then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player
i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya
but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down
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You're at best be a mancunian. I 'was' a Mancunian. I don't despise MU, but rather the new fans they have are disturbing. You sound every bit like them.

Liverpool F.C plays for the pride of being a Scouse. Play for their people. And the people in return rally behind the team that plays for them. Win or lose, they stick it through thick and thin. Go walk alone. You won't be missed. We ain't scoussers ourselves, but we support the team for reasons that i suspect every single Liverpool F.C fans and supporters have this in their chords, mind and souls.

There's a reason why after Heysel and Hillsborough, there is "You'll Never Walk Alone" forever embedded in the crest, even if Shankly had the songs for different reasons in the first place.
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post Dec 8 2011, 02:26 PM

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i always like to use example

football club is a business

business only can do well if you win something, qualify for UCL, win EPL
if every year also lie at 5th place and below:
how much money will be lost? lots of money right
then how long FSG will commit themselves? 10 yrs?
well u know that if u want to sell more jersey, sell more tickets
sell more seats, more people come to your stadium and admire our club
then we will be successful right
it is ok we can keep it that way, but slowly we will be like everton stoke city and even one day we will relegate to championship league?
why ? becoz we dun understand the rules of this league
need to keep up the competitive football.
ok u all may say i just want to have winning club
no, my club lose once in a while
doing badly once in a while i can accept it
but cannot accept it if we didnt win anything for 5 yrs and more
UCL is almost 7 8 yrs already


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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 01:48 PM)
hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL

do we still need to wait?

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term

most of the answer is no right
then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player
i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya
but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down
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Bill Shankly : "If you can't support us when we lose or draw, don't support us when we win."
End of discussion.
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When we lost Lucas to injury, we were talking about who should take his place? The overall consensus was that Spearing appeared to be the most likely candidate. With him facing suspension now, who is next in line?

I really think Dagger could do a decent job. Think about it. He's a good defender and he's comfortable on the ball. We've seen how he likes to get forward and he has a wicked left foot. Also, his reading of the game has improved and this was Hamann's best attribute. Both are tall (6' 3") and lanky, but what Hamann lacked in pace, he made for with intelligence. I think Agger has improved in leaps and bounds despite being crocked for lengthy periods. Any reason anyone feel he can't pull it off?

Another option would be to play Adam deep, not as a defensive midfielder because we know how bad he is defensively, but as a deep lying playmaker much like Alonso was. Yes, Xabi led the team in interceptions but early in his career, he didn't have much of a defensive game either. My point is that we go on the offence and risk exposing the back four. We adopt the old Brazil adage of "we'll score more goals than our opposition". If they hit 1 past us, we hit them back with 2. The best defense is a good offence? Remember when we finished 2nd, we threw caution to the wind in our last few matches and we were swept aside the likes of Blackburn, Villa, Man Utd and even Real Madrid.

Personally, I'd opt to play Dagger.
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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 01:48 PM)
hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL

do we still need to wait?

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term

most of the answer is no right
then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player
i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya
but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down
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what song is that?
nevermind dude, foook off
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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 01:48 PM)
hahahahahah

then i ask u all, how many yrs we didnt win EPL?
20++ years and counting

how many yrs we didnt qualify for UCL
errr..2 years back?

do we still need to wait?
yep, give Kenny Daglish 5 years as we give Rafa 5 years

do you think current set of player will be able to give us glory in short term
depends on player and manager

most of the answer is no right
not really

then why our club cannot accept this kind of comment
becoz we are still believe that we can do well
unfortunately the reality is ............we will not progress with this set of player

reality check is we have more shots on goal compare to last manager...and err semi final on League Cup?

i know development need some time
but we need the right player in the development and not those player that will not able to perform eventually
where is Man City years before? now with 'right player' they still not go through last 16

i want liverpool to do well
i want steven gerrad to lift the EPL trophy and want to sing wnya (YNWA)
so do we

but it seems like this will only be a dream that will never come true in my entire life
i am passionate abt this club but the club have let me down
hayati lirik You'll Never Walk Alone...

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Hilarious things being said. An emotional 'fan' he is. Well, just leave the poor guy alone, we got better things to talk about rather than one unhappy 'supporter'.
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QUOTE(Duke Red @ Dec 8 2011, 02:30 PM)
Personally, I'd opt to play Dagger.
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Jonjo already here? He can play there rite? Im hoping that Kenny has his tactics which is one or two player has to do the defensive job. Maybe a centre midfielder can close down together. Not really assign to one man to do the job.

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QUOTE(sharulzzz @ Dec 8 2011, 02:26 PM)
i always like to use example

football club is a business

business only can do well if you win something, qualify for UCL, win EPL
if every year also lie at 5th place and below:
how much money will be lost? lots of money right
then how long FSG will commit themselves? 10 yrs?
well u know that if u want to sell more jersey, sell more tickets
sell more seats, more people come to your stadium and admire our club
then we will be successful right
it is ok we can keep it that way, but slowly we will be like everton stoke city and even one day we will relegate to championship league?
why ? becoz we dun understand the rules of this league
need to keep up the competitive football.
ok u all may say i just want to have winning club
no, my club lose once in a while
doing badly once in a while i can accept it
but cannot accept it if we didnt win anything for 5 yrs and more
UCL is almost  7 8  yrs already
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I'll indulge you awhile longer.

Football is indeed a business and we have every reason to be happy which is why I find your what you've just said every so naive. Do some reading and you'll note that it was during the 90's that we had our 'darkest days' since languishing in Div 2. We won only 3 trophies in a span of about a decade. If you had been supporting the club then, I'm pretty sure you'd have hung yourself judging by how overly dramatic you sound. Since then we've managed to challenge for the title and even win us a little shiny cup in Istanbul amidst other smaller shiny objects like the FA Cup.

Football is a business and we are years behind the likes of Man Utd. When they opened their arms to foreign investment, we wanted to keep the club local. We didn't work hard enough to secure large sponsorship deals and we didn't do anything to boost the commercial appeal of the club. Yes, we have a lot of catching up to do and it's going to take years, not months. Don't have the patience, bugger off. It's better for your health.

Football is a business and we're now debt free thanks to John Henry and his merry bunch. We've also secured huge sponsorship deals with Std Chartered and Warrior with some smaller ones on the side, especially in Asia. Just two days ago, my colleague in sponsorship got a call from LFC. We're also looking at a stadium expansion. We've also revised our wage bill.

Funny you should mention that football is a business and at the same time not realise what a healthy financial state we are in. Funny you question how long John Henry will commit himself when the man himself was quoted as saying that it will take time because he is looking at long term success. He's also advocated that he's adopting a strategy similar to the one he used when he first acquired the Red Sox, by buying younger players with greater re-sale value. Explains the signings of Carroll, Suarez, Henderson, Adam, and Enrique doesn't it? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/...ding-plans.html

So now. Do you actually understand how football is a business?


Added on December 8, 2011, 3:02 pm
QUOTE(normeck @ Dec 8 2011, 02:52 PM)
Jonjo already here? He can play there rite? Im hoping that Kenny has his tactics which is one or two player has to do the defensive job. Maybe a centre midfielder can close down together. Not really assign to one man to do the job.
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From what I know of Jonjo, he prefers to play further up the park which explains his goals for Blackpool and our ressies. Not seen much from him defensively really.

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