Sharulzzz, you really need to understand what Liverpool FC is really about for many of the posters here.

Again, nonsense.
Not everyone can come into a team and perform straight from the go, no matter if they are senior or junior players. They are human afterall.
They need at least 1 season to settle in and get used to their team mates/playing system.

Again, just because they are seniors does not mean they will perform well with other teams. Just look at Andriy Shevchenko and Hernan Crespo with Chelsea, Juan Sebastian Veron & Mateja Kezman with Chelsea. We need to give them a chance to settle before we make judgements.

tak habis2 lagik mamat nih...

This post has been edited by raul7: Dec 9 2011, 10:36 AM

I think most of us tyring to support the players by giving them reason. Ok lar normal. But how far reason and what limit we can tolerate is basis on diff individual thought.
For me, I will only compare with price performance. I can't think much on potential, how to judge got potential or not? So far the players we bought had been performing, I can say we bought them for performance not on talent basis. If the players we bought perform worst than their previous club then that is the problem. You can judge by it.
We don't spend over 20 million just for talent, ppl like carol, downing or adam had been proven good player before we bought over them plus the coach seeing good potential growth for them.
Players must always remeber the team play will change always. Sometimes the tactic doesn't match u, u must find way to improve yourself not just wait the right tactic. The club will never tolerate the tactic just bcoz one players, tactics is make as a team to counter the opponent.
Those players who doesn't preform, please improve yourself and find solutions. Hope more players like Lucas.

Ok feck off and support Spurs then. See ya.

disagree about carroll part, he's a flop especially in our system of play

You're on a wind up surely. To actually prefer Harry over Kenny is outrages. Seriously, you are now starting to sound a lot like a glory hunter who only wishes to see star players. What exactly has Harry achieved ? Which youth talents did Harry raised up ? You do realize our own youth is being trained by ex Barca youth coaches ? You don't know what you're talking about.

I would like to share something with everyone

There have been many completely justified arguments made by Liverpool fans for the club to sell Andy Carroll as soon as possible. However, this viewpoint is often coupled with recommendations to purchase a "world-class" replacement. Furthermore, instructions arise for the club to buy five more players from outside the Premier League, a fantasy shopping list of unproven players who at one point or another have shown a turn of pace or delicious piece of skill.

At the end of the day, we need to keep daydreaming for our fantasy team and our minds grounded in reality when it comes to the transfer business of the clubs we support. I would have loved to see Juan Mata unveiled in a red shirt at the beginning of this season. But a combination of lack of European football as well as Kenny Dalglish's disposition towards British talent renders this yearning pointless.

Just as Alberto Aquilani wasn't moved on a permanent basis this summer, Carroll will not be sold in January, nor will he be flogged after the end of this season. I'll go one step further and go on the record to state that Liverpool's number 9 won't be going anywhere until at least the second-last year of his contract, way down the road in 2015.

I'd like to put forward my five reasons why the big man won't be sold anytime soon, and I hope to also hear your opinion on the matter.

The Solution to Carroll’s Lack of Form Is Painfully Obvious

Think back to the early days of Fernando Torres' career at Liverpool and you'll remember those lightning feet, that boyish grin and oh-so-many fabulous goals. When the 2010 World Cup in South Africa came about, at the behest of his partner, the Spaniard made a decision that would see him fall from one of the most feared strikers on the planet to that forlorn man we see much too often today.

I am talking, of course, about the haircut. Gone were the golden, flowing locks to be replaced by a "smart," greasy faux-hawk that graces the heads of millions of soccer wannabes around the world. The goals dried up, the confidence became extinct and he made the choice to play Champions League matches with Chelsea.

What does this have to do with Liverpool's forlorn number 9? Simple, Andy Carroll needs to cut that ridiculous ponytail off and take a razor to that hideous excuse for facial hair. The action that killed Torres' Liverpool career could very well revive Carroll's. With a new 'do maybe his teammates would mistake him for Suarez or Downing on occasion, and therefore resist the urge to hopefully hoof the ball onto his ample forehead. If that doesn't work maybe Liverpool should sign Kevin Nolan, just so the two formal Newcastle men could live together again and Carroll may remember how to terrorize defenses.

Show Me a Club That Would Offer £10 Million and I’ll Show You a Liar

People calling for the club to sell Andy Carroll should ask themselves a simple question: to whom exactly? The striker's £35 million price tag is something that is in the past and therefore cannot be changed. If Liverpool want to sell Carroll you'd be nuts to think that John Henry wouldn't want to see at least a little bit of that Fernando Torres cash returned.

In today's economic climate only Manchester City or Chelsea could pay that same £35 million, and both of those clubs are overstocked in the striker department. Even slashing that figure in half, you wouldn't bet that Tottenham Hotspur would seek to address their striking shortage by bringing on a player who hasn't been able to take that step to the next level.

OK, so what about £10 million? Taking a 70 percent haircut on their investment would surely sting Liverpool's owners, but even at this price you'd be hard pressed to find a club willing to pay this amount. Stoke have spent heavily recently but are now well stocked in the "big lads" department.

You could argue that the likes of Blackburn (who are newly flush with cash) or Neil Warnock at QPR (who loves a challenge) would be interested in the big man. But £10 million is a substantial sum and proven Premier League performers could be had for less. These clubs don't really have the time to "develop" a player as their focus is not getting relegated.

It's Only November, for God’s Sake!

Everyone relax! Remember how long it took for Lucas to transition from scapegoat to integral midfielder? Liverpool's faltering form this season that has seen them take far too few points at home can't be lumped onto the shoulders of Carroll. From a purely scientific standpoint, we're better off right now at the same stage last season and this side is still very much a work in progress.

Now the term "work in progress" is an easy escape to scrutiny when it comes to poor form, and I think every Liverpool fan would agree with me in saying that the team simply hasn't performed to the level we know that they are capable of.

Against Swansea sometime ago, Andy Carroll did pretty much everything his teammates asked of him, knocking down crosses and long-balls and working hard against a defiant defense. No, he didn't score; but neither did Luis Suarez. And the Englishman's frustration at being replaced with a goal needed goes to show that he genuinely feels he has more to offer the team.

The big man hasn't exactly set the Premier League alight this season, but he didn't while playing for Newcastle and Dalglish has said from the first day that his striker is a long-term project. The pressure and media scrutiny is an order of magnitude larger at a club like Liverpool (not to mention attempting to justify that price tag), but the club's Scottish manager isn't one to bow to anyone opinion but his own and will reserve his judgment on Carroll in a few years

Kenny Dalglish’s Continued Employment Depends on Figuring out Carroll

Yes, this is a bit of a sweeping statement, but Dalglish hasn't been given contract for life at the club. And like any other manager in this day and age (except for the untouchable Sir Alex Ferguson), he needs to produce results to keep his job.

I'm not trying to say that Dalglish will get the boot if Liverpool don't win the league this season. But missing out on the Champions League would be a significant blow. Liverpool aren't scoring goals at the moment and they may be able to keep out the likes of Swansea; but facing Chelsea in the league and in the Carling Cup in quick succession will provide a stern measure of where we stand in relation to our rivals.

Dalglish can't sell Carroll, because Liverpool's owners showed a remarkable faith in the Scotsman when they sanctioned such a massive financial outlay to secure an unproven 21-year-old. Selling the player now is as good as an admission that he made an extremely expensive mistake, leading John Henry & Co. to question his ability to identify future transfer targets.

Have no doubt that the Scotsman is doing everything in his power to shape the player and give him the confidence he needs to lead the club's line. If Carroll can't make the grade, we may see King Kenny culled as a scapegoat in the aftermath.

A Battering Ram Needs an Equally Adept Supporting Cast

When it comes down to it, unless your striker is Lionel Messi, he is not going to be able to solve the team's problems by himself and single-handedly win games. I'll go out on a limb here and postulate that Carroll isn't going to get to the little Argentinean's level this season. Or ever. In a million lifetimes.

Expectations are understandably high for such an expensive acquisition, but unless Carroll gets the support he needs we can't expect him to light up the league. Look at Fernando Torres and Liverpool post-Xabi Alonso. Brilliant player and expert finisher (until he switched to Blue), but he just wasn't getting served enough chances to display this talent.

We know that Carroll has a howitzer of a left foot and is handy in the air, but you can't say with any confidence that he's been given great opportunities by his teammates. Stewart Downing in particular should be highlighted as he was bought to put in crosses and has so far disappointed in this department. Luis Suarez isn't inherently a creator, but he's been more apt to take his chances than pass.

Liverpool fans cannot rely on Steven Gerrard to dig them out of these situations anymore, and it will be up to Charlie Adam or (God forbid) Jordan Henderson to step it up and provide better service.

This post has been edited by sKyWiR3pT3lTd: Dec 9 2011, 12:20 PM

Lay off Downing and Carroll...

I think Downing has finally come into his game making runs and actually taking shots on goal. He's finally overlapping with Enrique and I think he's getting better.

As for Carroll, I am no fan of our giant forward, I think he's horrible up front. BUT, Im willing to give him time (as a fan) because there is potential, yes POTENTIAL. Before the Fulham game, he's made 18 headers and 9 of those were on target.

Yeah but you have to remember, some players ultimately never find themselves in the team. Surely I don't need to name names.

Which is why we need to be patient.
Only after they have proven they have lost the magic touch or more likely cannot adapt to the system could we offload them. Shevchenko was given 2-3 season in Chelsea to prove himself (which he ultimately failed) before being sold. Same goes to Veron.

And seriously people, do you think there is another world class striker out there that a) Liverpool can afford b) Would even want to come to Liverpool c) Good enough to perform from the get go? Consider this before you keep saying Caroll failed and should be replaced. Replaced by who? David Villa? Higuain? Benzema? You think their respective club wants to sell? You think they want to come to Liverpool? You think we can afford thier price tag? You think they can adapt to the fast & furious EPL? FM 2012 and real life is totally different man.

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Added on December 9, 2011, 2:56 pmPerformance and price is mutually exclusive and one do not necessarily related to the other. Look at Shevchenko, Crespo, etc.

Some players are never meant to play in a particular system/tactics that includes our former favourite Fernando Torres who did brilliantly well with Liverpool but ultimately flopped with Chelsea. Did he really regress that much as a player in 1 season? I don't think so. He is still the same Fernando Torres except he could not fit into the chelsea team/system/tactics.

This post has been edited by mercury8400: Dec 9 2011, 02:56 PM

Dalglish slams FA over Suarez charge

"The people at Liverpool and anyone who has any leaning to the club - be it, staff, players, supporters - they will stand by him and they know what the truth is. If anyone wants to see the truth from the other night it is on the screen.'' -Kenny

This post has been edited by sahathai: Dec 9 2011, 03:15 PM

IMHO, De Gea is not World Class. He has the potential though.... So, nope, he is not world class goalkeeper but a promising keeper with potential to become world class... Same goes to Hart.

True about that. Just wanted to point it out to that cow that every GK has a bad day once in a while.

and he forgot the man who bring gareth bale and lennon to spurs is actually our managing director .The best deal he had done this season is taking adebayor on loan , but tat adebayor got angin one , currently no ppl want him so he not tat big kepala tis season .

And I have no idea why someone want Harry Redknapp who in my opinion keep wanting every stars out there... " oh i tried to sign downing.." "i tried to sign ashley young..." " we wanted to sign suarez back then" Bullocks... though cant deny he is a decent coach

That nimrod is going around in circles. Yes Wayne Rooney burst in the scene when he was 17 and was sheltered by Moyes who didn't want to see him burnout. Show me another Wayne Rooney however. Even Walcott has not fully realized his early promise.

Also I'm guessing you didn't read Paul Tomkin's lengthy analysis? Without the gift of pace, forwards require more time to develop. Other than brute strength, they need time to develop their football intelligence especially when up against more experienced centre backs who have played against all types of forwards. When Michael Owen first burst on the scene, he was running rings round defenders because he had blistering pace. Anyone remember his World Cup goal against Argentina? He was just 17 at the time. Look what happened when he lost his pace because of injuries. He had to develop other aspects of his game, not being able to fall back on raw speed anymore. It makes sense to me that Carroll is indeed a work in progress at just 22. Not every player hits the ground running. Will Carroll eventually be a hit? Who knows but we aren't even through half a season yet ffs. Also, he's only in his second season playing in the Premiership. Bobby Zamora, another powerful centre forward just won his first international cap last season at 29. I'm neither suggesting that we wait that long for Carroll to develop nor that Zamora is world class, but rather that not all players peak in their early 20's.

i dont think you make comments out of facts or even any sense.
downing received enough balls when we played him so many games. just that a combination of luck and form has seen his unable to provide anywhere near what we hoped he would be. so about him not getting any balls, its just simply bollocks

your genius pardew has won nothing significant

as of harry redknapp

and do you even know who steve clark is?

and oh, your so called useless bellamy supplied both goals in our recent win over chelsea

This post has been edited by Petre: Dec 9 2011, 04:39 PM

lol you guys still getting wind up from the troll? I still don't believe he is a Liverpool fan, remember that he still openly bash Liverpool in Kopitiam. I dont think any fan would openly bash their own team in public as bad as that. I think he just laughing from his seat now on how we are getting serious with him. He keeps turn around in bushes and make our blood pressure rise, and even when he kept saying he want to leave us, he's still back like a bad breath.

Move along guys, move along. He'll find many other ways to wind us up if we keep replying with him.

Anyways, for those who critisize our team all I can say is, give them another 1 season. Remember those new players have yet to play a full season under us, and probably still settling down with life in Anfield and our style of play.

Lucas struggled for 3 seasons. Even Drogba got A LOT of stick during his first 2 seasons with Chelsea. Almost everybody think he's a waste of 30m. But now, safe to say he's almost a legend to them after getting them titles.

Heck, maybe everybody got different levels of patience, so I can't ask some of you to think calmly. All I hope is that you guys that have heart, stay loyal to us LFC. If you can't take the pressure of not winning titles, you might consider switching clubs.

Supporting LFC with all your heart and soul is not as easy as it seems for some of you. For me, even if LFC went down to division 3, I will still support them as long as I breathe. YNWA.

thats is what i mean
i put in another thing, i am not glory hunter, i am looking at some aspect where i am comparing teams more or less same financial, w liverpool
i am not refering everything to man c chelsea man united where they buy their top player w a lot of money
there r a lot of good striker where it is not expensive, and yet they can have good performance. a lot of people have been trying to paint me like just want to compare w top 4 or those rich club
do you think spurs spend a lot of money?
no right?
do they like man c man u chelsea where can easily splash 20 30 40 million to get a good player?
no right?
do you think spurs is as rich as liverpool? i think liverpool is much better in terms of financial right?
and do you think gomez is a good goalkeeper for spurs last season?
no right, therefore off season they find friedel be their replacement and he is top form
you see they r some decision that need to be make in order the whole team can progress, every year you have to bring in diff kind of player and test it
after 10 plus games, basically u will identify whether this lad will be able to progress well w the club along the way or not, if he doesnt fit then why we keep waiting?
why i want to compare spurs w liverpool becoz spurs didnt spend a lot of money and yet they slowly build the squad w confidence and can have many kind of tactics and strategy to beat opponent. every half time Harry will make decision whether to stick w adeabayor or dafoe or van de varrt they can take up the big risk
not like liverpool...............no matter how bad we play, we still keep hoping on the same player, we should make changes fast .....

anyway this is just my 5 cent comment.