Not for me. If you read my post in your thread, you'll know why.

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Added on December 23, 2011, 11:45 amWhat story? And how is it I am ignorant?

This post has been edited by likeicare: Dec 23 2011, 11:45 AM

Bawak datang popcorn.. layan la plak..

This is true. Likewise the FA need to consider that by opening their doors to foreign players, there will be a clash of cultures. They can't at the same time be completely ignorant of other cultures.

The defendant's

+1. But it should be the players/club effort to understand the culture of the land. FA can only do so much.

Here's an article that was written a couple of days ago, before the verdict is out. I'd like to highlight the following.

Now I'm not suggesting that two wrongs make a right but if this is true, it does shed some light into why Suarez would have said what he said with intent if he did have any at all.

Just to note, Henry Winter is a credible English sports journalist who co-wrote the book FA Confidential with former FA Chief Executive, David Davies. Those who read a fair bit will have noticed his columns. It isn't fact, but then neither are many things to do with this case.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2011, 12:04 PM

In what way I am being ignorant?

I still think the FA should just ban the word and it's variations. If it's true that Evra's teammates call him that, then an opposing player who hears the word can easily take offense. There isn't a need to look into cultural differences then. Just take a hard stance and say "you can't use that word in England". It's highly unlikely that anyone will now that Suarez has been punished for doing do. It doesn't matter that it can be used as a term of endearment then because it has been labeled a contentious word.

Curious to know if you read this article I posted earlier?http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial/2011/12/22/2813532/whats-in-a-word-the-furore-over-luis-suarezs-racism-ban

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Added on December 23, 2011, 12:38 pmA small case of double standards here perhaps? Didn't see anyone with headcams at our game against Wigan to apprehend anyone calling Suarez a racist.

http://www.express.co.uk/football/view/291...ngland-sponsors?

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2011, 12:38 PM

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...defence?cc=4716

This is true which is why I said he should be punished for his ignorance, not because he meant the word to its full racist extent which the FA is claiming. I think we can at least agree that the term is acceptable in some places.

http://m24digital.com/en/2009/11/14/argent...ute-to-caceres/

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Added on December 23, 2011, 1:14 pmInteresting to note that whilst Suarez is chastised for using an ambiguous word, Terry gets lauded for being heroic after using a word he fully understands. The FA has said they will charge Terry. Let's see what the outcome will be.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/de...nham?CMP=twt_gu

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2011, 02:07 PM

contrary to the prevailing sentiment in this thread, i believe if JT is found guilty he'll surely be punished in full force. he's no media darling and his past 'controversies' will surely put him at a serious disadvantage when it comes to winning sympathy from any quarter. but i suspect the verdict (if found guilty) will be along the same lines as what suarez has received in which he'll be 'branded' a racist by the words which were used.

however,after browsing through the thread and gathering some rather interesting information i don't think either him or suarez deserve to be labelled as such. as duke pointed out suarez could have so easily denied using anything resembling racist language and it will just come down to his and evra's word. the fact that he readily admitted to using a term that was deemed unacceptable in english culture shows he believed there wasn't anything wrong with it. JT on the other hand went down a similar route by stating he uttered words that were in denial of actually using a racist term. albeit there was a video of him mouthing off something, he certainly wasn't compelled to admit to anything as anton ferdinand wasn't even accusing him of anything in the first place.

to put it simply, both players have talked themselves into trouble but do they really have something against coloured people? as for JT he has been involved in various anti-racism campaigns and notes marcel desailly as one of his biggest footballing heroes that helped shape him into the defender he is today. his close relationship with william gallas when he was still at chelsea, ashley cole and didier drogba at present time certainly portray him as a regular bloke who doesn't judge others on the colour of their skin. u can only hide your true feelings for so long in my opinion, and JT surely isn't hiding anything.

if i were to put a verdict on both suarez and john terry (if he's charged) it would be for using hurtful and culturally insensitive language. however if that's the case then we'd have more than a hundred players in the league charged every week because when that whistle blows, the players aren't exactly the friendliest of people.

Is the culture in Holland so much different of England? He spent 4 seasons there.

got it from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

not exactly the most reliable sources though

http://www.liverpool-kop.com/2011/12/suare...s-fault-if.html

A good read. I don't know why I can't highlight the article to copy it. So you have to click the link to read it.

this has always been the case, and many football forums that I have visited were well informed of this

hopefully the liverpool fans here will realise after reading it

I've read a gazillion articles on the incident just like I've read the one you are referring to. I'm wondering if you've read any of the ones I've posted or only the ones condemning Liverpool and Suarez? Now my comprehension may not be all that high but by your statement in bold , I'm guessing you think we should take Jaimie Kanwar's (and I do read his articles btw) article as fact? In that case, Henry Winter is a more credible writer and you should take it as fact that Evra also used a derogatory term. Even if this was true, I'm not saying two wrongs make a right but it does shed new light into the case IF true. I don't know about you but I tend to stay away from claiming things to be fact unless there is solid evidence even if a case is made against by most bitter rival.

Anyway, I'd only be going around in circles citing my case as retarded as it may seem to you. If it pleases you, give this a read. http://blaneyblog.dailymail.co.uk/2011/12/...ssociation.html

Here's what I've been saying all along.



http://www.dailypost.co.uk/sport-news/live...55578-30000306/


This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 24 2011, 12:47 PM

what is his side of story?

Where is that article which I requested that Evra admitted he used a derogatory terms over Suarez?

Except for the chidish statement from your beloved club claimed. I couldn't find any other sources. Why childish? They are trying to put the blame on Evra and asked for his punishment. I am not defending Evra but if he is guilty, go ahead ban him for 8 matches too.

To be honest, I'm very surprised on how Liverpool FC handled all of this. First, you went to the public and Suarez admitted he said something to Evra. After the INDEPENDENT committee made their call, Liverpool FC trying to play the 'victim' card here. And to certain extent, wearing that shirt while warming up is a bit of disrespecting of FA and somehow condoning to Suarez's behavior.

Lets just put the FA inconsistencies issues on another topic. Do you really believe that Suarez accidentally called Evra by that term?

http://m.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/dec/...ll&type=article

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Added on December 24, 2011, 2:16 pmSuddenly a Man Utd fan talking about respecting people! Very rare indeed.
Why in my memory, once upon a time, a certain manager use the four letter word to blast the english FA?

Oh here..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/14678931.stm

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Added on December 24, 2011, 2:22 pmBTW, it's not the question whether Suarez accidentally use the term or not; the question here now is whether there was any intent in Suarez to cause racial abuse by using that term.

This post has been edited by weichieh007: Dec 24 2011, 02:22 PM

Try to make an effort to understand my post. I didn't say it was a fact. I was responding to a poster who wanted all Liverpool fans to take the piece he posted as a fact. I then said I may as well take Henry Winter's article as fact if that's the case. I also did say I don't believe anything until there is solid evidence or did you choose to ignore this as well? By the way Henry Winter is not an official of Liverpool FC.

I don't believe that Suarez accidentally used the term. I believe he didn't meant it the way the FA interpreted it. "Negrito" quite literally translates to "little black man" which with no disrespect, Evra is in terms of a physical description. I'm sure Suarez wasn't trying to make friends because by and large, anytime you direct the word, "little" at some one, it usually isn't complimentary. Referring to his color was wrong but it doesn't mean Suarez intended to label him a slave. By applying the full letter of the law ie an 8 game ban based on anything other than fact, the FA is indirectly stating that Suarez meant the word in its most insulting form. If Suarez meant it that way, why would he have even admitted to saying it when no one could tell what was said? Surely it's because he didn't feel it was that severe but the FA is making people believe did, which has led to almost everyone who isn't a Liverpool fan or Uruguayan, calling him a racist.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 24 2011, 02:32 PM