Wayne Rooney: He called me a white boy, that's racist!

Come on!

The only reason opinions are divided is because the word does carry a different connotation. Like I posted earlier in the Liverpool thread, even former dark skinned players of Uruguay are defending Suarez. However, it must the said that the offense occurred in England and not South America. To suggest that Suarez had racist intent when uttering it however based on the fact they aren't friends, and then imposing a heavy penalty is, effectively branding him a racist is absurd especially when he's had no priors, has a black grandfather and has done charity work promoting equality. Like I also said earlier, if the FA say it's because of body language, saying it in the heat of the moment or whatever, then they surely need to consider all other aspects.

In my opinion, all the FA needed to do was to say that "Negrito" while a term of endearment in South America, is a racist word in Europe and punish Suarez for his ignorance. Instead, they are now saying that his body language suggests he was using it with racial intent. How do you prove intent? Also, despite Evra stating that he doesn't think Suarez is racist, by suggesting that Suarez used the word with racist intent, he is already being branded a racist. Don't believe me? Read some posts in this forum. Don't even need to google other sources. The club is defending Suarez because they don't feel he's racist.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 22 2011, 09:45 PM

As you said, the offense occured in England, and in England the term Negrito is not as friendly as it was in Uruguay. Suarez has been playing in Europe for a few years before moving to Liverpool, therefore no matter now friendly the word is in South America, he should know that in Europe, "Negrito" is not a term of endearment.

To use that term against an opposition player, between teams with such huge rivalry, only makes Suarez look like he was racially abusing Evra.

However, I do not think Suarez is a racist, but I think he was trying to provoke Evra through racial abuse, and hence he got his punishment. But to be honest, in my opinion 8 games is a bit too much.

That's the thing about this case, that everyone has their own interpretation of what the outcome should be and why it should be as such? The FA could have just banned the word and that would be the end of it. No need to base their decision on speculation and assumptions. They aren't doing themselves any favours because there will be more accusations in future and to be consistent, they'll need to look into each incident in as just as much detail.

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Added on December 22, 2011, 11:21 pmGood write up IMO.

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1717/editorial...rezs-racism-ban

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 22 2011, 11:21 PM

Did the FA labelled him as a racist?

This post has been edited by likeicare: Dec 23 2011, 03:18 AM

which player racist? ibrahim ali? inb4 luissuarezisnotaracistbutjohnterryis

The FA doesn't issue labels, just as they don't go out calling players who dives, cheats. By concluding that Suarez used the word with intent however, it does give people the impression that he is racist. You mean to say you don't see people calling him racist on message boards? During our game against Wigan, the home fans chided him the whole game calling him racist.

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Added on December 23, 2011, 7:56 amGood point made by John Barnes. Knowing that it was Evra's word against his, Suarez could just as easily said he didn't say anything instead of admitting to using a word I'm sure he didn't feel was offensive. Barnes may be a former Liverpool player but he's also been abused racially.

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premie...-suarez-racism-?

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Added on December 23, 2011, 8:09 amThe plot thickens.

http://theovallog.wordpress.com/2011/12/22...-on-evrasuarez/

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2011, 08:09 AM

Hmmm...

Well Liverpool fan will always see it as unintentional motive and others the opposite. Mind you this is Liverpool - Man Utd match. Trying to wind up ppl using that word is good enough for a conviction. You dun think he used the word to make friends with Evra, did you?

Hey Malay, your football skills sucks. Now if a malaysian player plying their trade in bpl and the whites or whoever it is says this 10 times to him. sounds like a racial slur to me. The word malay is not a racist word to begin with.

Hmmm...

A Liverpool blog no doubt but the source isn't.

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Negrito-is-i.../173471.html?b=

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Added on December 23, 2011, 9:22 amAbsolutely not. Suarez was definitely not trying to be mates with Evra. The word can also be the equivalent of, "pal" or "buddy", only if the person you're using it against fits the physical description of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

I could just as easily say what he said was the equivalent of, "sod off mate", or "chill out buddy", and in neither example am I intending to be friends.

In the case of winding your opponent up, I don't think the rule should be too extreme as players do it to gain a psychological advantage. It will be extremely difficult to impose punishment. Like John Barnes mentioned, what about 10,000 man Utd supporters chanting, "scouse thieves"? Pretty sure that's winding up the likes of Martin Kelly, Jay Spearing, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Dec 23 2011, 09:22 AM

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Hmmm...

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Hmmm...

A Liverpool blog no doubt but the source isn't.

http://thekop.liverpoolfc.tv/_Negrito-is-i.../173471.html?b=

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Added on December 23, 2011, 9:22 am

Absolutely not. Suarez was definitely not trying to be mates with Evra. The word can also be the equivalent of, "pal" or "buddy", only if the person you're using it against fits the physical description of course.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negro

I could just as easily say what he said was the equivalent of, "sod off mate", or "chill out buddy", and in neither example am I intending to be friends.

In the case of winding your opponent up, I don't think the rule should be too extreme as players do it to gain a psychological advantage. It will be extremely difficult to impose punishment. Like John Barnes mentioned, what about 10,000 man Utd supporters chanting, "scouse thieves"? Pretty sure that's winding up the likes of Martin Kelly, Jay Spearing, Steven Gerrard and Jamie Carragher.

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Winding up a person it's okay. Winding up a person using a skin color related word is not okay. You must remember this is a competitive football, not some football gathering session. Tension is high, and a lot of things is at stake. Emotions is running high and people get offended easily. You don't go and refer someone using their skin color.

I am sorry Duke but the way you try defend Suarez by giving all sorts of meaning of the words is a little bit hard to swallow. Wikipedia is not from a Liverpool as well.

And how is fan of football club chants is the same case as Suarez's? Players should expect that kind of banter (not the racism banter, but the scouse thieves). But a racial slur from a fellow professional footballer? (Not that I am implying Suarez did)

This post has been edited by likeicare: Dec 23 2011, 10:05 AM

I think what Martinez said is quite true to certain extent -


http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story/_/...ex-pros?cc=4716

How is Wikipedia any less reliable than opinions of others?

No one says the word isn't a racial slur in that part of the world. You can't ignore that players from that part of the world are defending him because they don't take it as seriously. Ban the word, punish him because he used it but don't insinuate that he's racist for its the only reason he meant it as a racial slur. If considering all possibilities and asking for hard evidence is being shallow, then yes, I am shallow.

Lol, no Duke. I was referring to your post: "A Liverpool blog no doubt but the source isn't."
And let me be clear that I am not calling him a racist bcos I do not know whether he is one.

Well I can't comment on the source as its in Spanish. Just saying that opinions are obviously split on this. Just as there is no conclusive evidence to suggest he didn't racially abuse Evra, there isn't any to suggest he did. I just can't help but wonder why he admitted to using the said word knowing that the only two people who heard it are he and Evra, despite allegations that Marriner may have? Could easily have gone, "I didn't say it".

I wonder if the spats between the English FA and FIFA; the untiming comment by Sepp Blater settling racism dispute on the pitch; has any bearing on the judgement and verdict in the Suarez case.

Would the FA have handle it differently if Mr Sepp Blatter had kept quiet? They have been famous for their inconsistency.

Yes, they are sending a message to the rest of the players, but are they also trying to tell Mr Blatter how it should be done by using a player as their scapegoat.

8 match ban is not sending a msg; it's more like shouting the msg at FIFA.

Either way, ignorance is not an excuse.

This is the title from a website, others were pretty similar. From just the title, racially abuse can be equalled as racist, no? I agree ignorance of the word "Negrito" is guilty, but with Suarez South American background, cultural difference need to be considered the intend of the word itself. If Suarez were to be found guilty of using the banned word without racist intend, I think most Liverpool fans will accept the verdict.

FIFA doesn't like English FA anyway. I am not surprise if they support Suarez this time.

So why are you being ignorant now?

Why ignore the other side of the story?