i also think that some recruitment companies are posting false advertisement in the newspaper.
Job: recruitment consultant
Requirements: minimum 2 years experience in any field. (fresh grads are encourage)

i noticed that the advertisement has been on the paper every saturday for at least 5 months. it seems to me that these companies are actually collecting the resumes they receive as their potential candidates for their client. well, fine if somebody willing to find a job for you, but just imagine your resume end up in the wrong hands.

I've also been duped by these companies before (I applied for the job at JobStreet about five months ago). I was asked to go with my supervisor to these shopping malls and sell cookies and stuff. And they also keep yelling this "JUICE" bull crap. I left the company after only one day.
About a week ago I went for an interview for Management Trainee. I saw the advertistment in The Star newspaper. The job description stated that the person will handle daily office operation and is responsible for various departments such as Admin and Operation.
I noticed the advertistment has already been in The Star for at least six months but since I was desperate for a job I went and try it out anyway. It was located in Jalan Ipoh which is quite far away from where I'm staying in Bandar Sunway. Anyway, once I reached there I noticed the office was pretty neat and comfortable. Looked like a great place to work. I was surprised that I was the only one there. Usually walk-in interviews has many other people queuing up to be interviewed. Maybe because the place isn't very easy to reach/find.
So after I filled in the form I was called by the boss (or the person in charge) for the interview. In the beginning he ask the usual questions..."Tell me about yourself" blah blah blah. Then he asked if I'm interested in doing some outdoor sales. And I was like "WTF I don't remember the job description stating that I should do sales.". At this point I knew that it was yet another one of those companies trying to fool people to sell their stuffs. Then he mentioned other craps like I have to have good communication, team, and leadership skills if I go out to organize events. I thought this is suppose to be some indoor job and not going out to do events. When I asked if the job involves a lot of sales, he just replied..."A lot of people say that we cant make much profit doing sales. But thats not true!", and smiled. I smiled back and nod and act as if I'm interested. At the end he said that he'll call me if I'm short-listed.
After four hours his secretary called me and said that I was short-listed. And I was like "Whoa..that was quick.". She told me to come the next day at 8a.m until 5p.m and to bring along a bag and a note pad. That was exactly what I was told by the first company I got duped.
Its a good thing I checked this thread out because I later found out that its almost the same company you guys were mentioning.

Based on my experience I'd say don't apply for those jobs that has been advertised non-stop. That goes the same for advertistments that does not state the company's name.

never watch kisah benar meh? always got these story1 ma.

omg .. u guys know about JUICE too ..

new member here ... a few weeks ago .. i saw this ad in the star saying they;re looking for management trainees and students or spm leavers are welcomed ..
actually i have seen that ad for quite sometime .. was getting desperate so decided 2 just call them

its called speed-up marketing .. and the way they operate is exactly the same as u guys mentioned about elegant promenade and all...
i went ther and filled up a form.. i waited for about 45-50 minutes outside coz the boss was interviewing a few other fellas who there b4 me... while waiting ther .. another 4-5 ppl came in 2 apply for the job ..

so cut the story short .. i met the boss ... he said this company is new.. its headquarter is in singapore ..we're a big company in singapore..we just decided 2 expand in m'sia.. then he asked me basic stuff like .. why do want this job .. u got any job experience .... then he got really serious and asked me .. are you willing 2 learn anot ? coz in this job .. we will teach u alot of things and train u as well .. we dun wan any half-hearted ppl .. then he said .. sometimes we will go outdoors .. its all part of training 2 make u an all-rounder ..stuff like dat. .
he then said .. i will fax ur application 2 singapore .. then they decide 2 take u in or not .. if they accept .. we will call u in the evening and u come for training n evaluation day 2mrwo morning .. then he asked me ...tell me .. why should i accept u .. i just gave him some lame stuff like ..coz i am versatile n willing 2 learn .. he then said ..ok ..tell u wat.. dun need fax 2 singapore.. i take u in now ..just come 2mrow morning ..

then the bloody hell ... next morning ..spent 2 hours in their mini and pathetic office (which onli has 1 receptionist counter, 1 photocopy machine , and only 1 computer in the entire office .. so much for a big company in singapore)
those 2 hours he and another boss taught me and another 2 new fellas how 2 sell things to ppl in public. .. guess wat they;re selling .. postcards for a charity home... 1 postcard for 10 bucks .. i felt sort of duped .. they started doing all their JUICE thingy .. then they said ther;s travelling opportunity 2 singapore .. so that day we worked around midvalley ... i felt pissed of course but hid it and acted positive in frotn of the bosses .. they sort of like me coz of that .. and started tellingme .. actually selling is onli a small part of htis job ..prolly 1% onli ..mainly about management .. u;ll learn more when we go singapore .. then at the end of the day .. they said they;ll bring me 2 singapore wit them ..they claim they already sent an earlier batch over ther a few days ago ... i said i;ll think about it ..

the next day .. didnt know wana go work anot .. but went in the end .. coz they said selling is onli 1% of the job ..i thought mebbe it was for a day or 2 onli lar .. but 2nd day .. stillt eh same thing ..ther were a few more new fellas ... then the 2 bosses started pestering me 2 go singapore wit them .. they said transportation n lodging provided .. ur salary will be around 300-400 sing per week .. then towards end of the day ..i asked them ..so in singapore wil it be like this also ? selling in public everydya ? he said yes.. but we;ll train u 2 be a pro ther ..and also great in management .. then i asked again .. since we;re goin singapore.. who will be left in the m'sia office ? they said it;ll be closed for a month ...i was like wtf ???? they told me the m'sia office just opened about 2 weeks onli .. they worked wit me for onli 1 day and they wana bring me 2 singapore wit them already ?? i started working on wednesday .. they say we;re all goin 2 singapore on sunday ... wtf man .... how can u bloody decide so freaking fast ?????

i waited till the end of the day and told them i can;t go .. my parents dun allow ... they started saying stuff like ..this is a very good opportunity .. u shouldn;t really let ur parents affect u so strongly .. i just acted blur and said ..if i can go i;ll come 2mrow .. then late that nite ..one of the bosses sms me some crazily long motivational msg .. then the next morning (friday) they called me ..asked me wher am i .. i said i can;t work liow .. then they keep saying stuff like .,. nvm nvm u come 2 the office first ..i wana talk 2 u for awhile .. i kept saying i'm not around ther ..no transport n crap lidat. .. he kept saying ..nvm nvm ..u just come first ..
then he paused a while n said ... u come collect ur payment. .. ( i was like ...WTF ??) using this cheap trick 2 pull me ther ..i said ..oh i collect later can ar ? ( coz i knew they will go outside 2 jual their stuff again later ..and only the receptionist will b ther) ..then the mothafu**a was lost of words and just said ..aiyah ..how can like dat lar u .. beginning say u wana work.. he haven;t finish his sentence suddenly he ended the call ...

dun ever get involved wit speed-up marketing ,... its in brickfields by the way ..

i can solve all this problem in 1 second..

Our Minds are not mentally strong and our our heart sways!

To be a Professional, learn to say NO and ask deeper quetions on the phone.

Most people fail to interogate the potential employer and easily submit himself as a slave to the economy .

Any post as Management trainees are crap.. Get paid when you join the workforce. Request for contracts and agreements on paper instead of verbal promise.

It's yourself to blame for .. GREED! Period!

i also kena like this
last month
the funny thing is..i kena the main prize...PERDANA car
rofl....luckily my dad back home when the supervisor reach to my house
if not...i also kena racun by them

greedy creates misery..

haha. reading this topic is fun, altho in reality, this cheating trend is worrying. it seems most of the forumers here kena tricked b4.

i too learned a lesson and has since stayed away from most all those easy works as advertised in newspaper. 1k/mth is tempting but the fishy smell is just too much to bear.

but i also almost kena b4. the comp was near KLCC, in some promenade office building just behind the OSK. i tagged along with a fren for the job of IT Researchers. the interview was conducted for both of us together and was confimed on da spot. told to return the next day and will be given 1 week training. until completion of training, no salary was to be given.

so the 'IT' job revolved around studying the fundamentals of sorts of equity market investment- those involved coffee bean, sugar and some other stuff. the training was fun but when the week ended, the supervisor did not mention anything about our completion of training, confirmation, or abt $$$. so, sensing sth amiss, i left at the end of the training week. my fren and acquaintances who stayed back later revealed that when they confronted the supervisor, were informed they each need to bring in RM10k (if i'm still remember it correctly) investment before rightfully deserved to be paid monthly salary.

this type of cheating was very hot back then in 1999. few of my frens also almost kena. this investment company thing was highlighted in newspapers as well.

but now i dunno if those are still active, but whenever u encounters adverts like below, beware!

job: it researcher/mgmt trainee/marketing executive/all kind of executive la..
xp: no need. freshies very welcomed to kena conned..
edu bg: no need also. if got, very hard to kena conned..
job desc: 5 days work, salary between 1.5k and above, training provided..

Have you come accross this job- Risk management by IBA??? I saw the company have posted several times in jobstreet. Is this another scam or what?

risk management sounds just like my equity investment stuff only. investment= risk.

better check it out. do remember any comp that ask u to pay in advance or need to get some amount of $$ in first b4 getting paid, be warned!

http://my.jobstreet.com/jobs/2005/12/a/10/238714.htm

Looks ok to me. Nice benefits too. But who knows. It doesn't state the company address which is weird.

yes, exactly... normally the reoutable company will show their email add. as well as their company add.

man! that looks just like the one i almost been had before. altho this IBA sounds more sophisticated.

Can "illegal" commodity/forex investment company (not registered with Security Commission) could be considered as scam?

I've been working with such company for a few months in 2000 and witnessed so much money wasted by customers through the investment. Not due to fraud transaction but mainly to incompetence level of the traders/agents themselves.

Those kind of business start to vanish in 2001 due to Security Commissions start taking action.

Recently I heard this kind of companies risen up again. So whoever is seeking for job, I advise to stay away from this kind of company.

Cobra group basically has many subsidedries

Regal Group
Storm MArketting
Appco
Granton
Dreamworks
Asian Support Direct
Jag advertising
and many more are somehow cobra subsideries

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This was taken from the star online

Please stop donating to these people, if want to donate? then donate straight to the organization

PETALING JAYA: You donated RM1 for a bookmark that carried the National Kidney Foundation's (NKF) name, hoping that your contribution would make a difference to a renal patient.

But the truth is, only 10 sen of that ringgit went to the foundation's coffers.

The rest may have been split between the person who sold you the bookmark, his boss, and the company that produced the item.

Charity has become a business, and much of what people give may not end up where it should.

And this does not just stop with the selling of items such as bookmarks and greeting cards - it also involves the public's bank accounts, where up to 40% of what is deducted monthly as donations does not go to charity.

In the case of NKF, it had an arrangement with Montrans Connections Sdn Bhd whereby a small percentage of revenue from the sale of the company's products was channelled to the foundation.

Montrans Connections, a subsidiary of Montrans Holdings Sdn Bhd, hires people to sell items it makes to promote a certain organisation.

"Montrans approached us with the idea of giving us publicity and selling bookmarks, plastic fans and pens.

"From the 10 sen we receive for every bookmark sold, we got about RM8,000 a month. In the last 11 months, we received RM79,000," said an NKF official.

Checks by The Star with Montrans Connections employees revealed that they can make as much as RM100 a day in commission. Pens are sold at RM10 each and plastic fans, RM5.

NKF said the arrangement was good as it raised not just cash but also awareness of the foundation.

"The company has the manpower and the money to bear the initial costs of a project like this," said the official.

"If we do a similar project, what would happen to the people we employ when the project ends?"

The official said if the public were not comfortable with giving money this way, then they should refrain from doing so.


BUSINESS OF CHARITY: Aisah Ibrahim is one of those selling bookmarks at the KLCC LRT station.
However, the official added that people had complained to NKF after buying the items and the foundation has not renewed its contract with Montrans Connections, which expired on July 31, partly because of the public's reaction.

But NKF is still continuing with the direct-debit donor programme run by Sharity Greetings (M) Sdn Bhd, a local fund-raising company, together with Asian Support Direct (M) Sdn Bhd, which is owned by Appco Sdn Bhd.

Under such programmes, the foundation and at least four other groups - the National Cancer Council (Makna), World Wide Fund for Nature Malaysia (WWF Malaysia), Shelter Homes for Children and Kiwanis Down Syndrome Foundation - benefit from monthly deductions from bank accounts.

Makna fund-raising director Vemanna said the council had as many as 40,000 active contributors and donations came to about RM1mil every month.

Both Makna and WWF said they received the full amount deducted, and payments to the companies concerned - which have people on the ground actively soliciting donations - were made separately, but they declined to reveal the amounts paid.

However, the NKF official said 30% of deductions went to Asian Support Direct for overheads in the first four months of the programme, with another 10% to Sharity Greetings to maintain the database of donors.

For every month after that, Sharity Greetings receives 10% of the donors' contributions.

A Sharity Greetings official confirmed that the company received 10% of deductions from each of the groups it worked with. Asian Support Direct and Appco could not be reached for comment.

In addition to such programmes, Sharity Greetings also partners with Granton Sdn Bhd to produce festive season cards sold in the name of charity.

Granton and Appco are both part of the Cobra Group, a direct marketing company based in Britain and Australia.

Registrar of Societies (ROS) Kaswuri Keman said a registered society was not allowed to have any party collecting donations on its behalf.

The Societies Act 1966, he said, required any organisation registered under the Act to obtain approval from the Registrar to collect money from the public.

"Collections can be done only for the period approved," he added.

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really scammers man

YEah,...I always see those ppl in PUTRA LRT station...I wonder why they 1 2 do these job? they cant find any better job than this?

not just scammers...they misuse the name of charity to earn profit!

and now, that is why i choose to donate directly to those charities. altho my donation might be lost within the donation board itself, at least i have eliminated those middlemen!

Good thread. very informative. i hv recently went to one of the interviews conducted by the cobra group subsidiaries near klcc...on purpose. After reading so many scam stories in this thread, i m lured to 'check out 'these kind of companies. another reason for me doing so was becoz i was demn bored waiting for my job to start with an oil & gas company. hehe

so, what i did was find any job ads in jobstreet that has the criterion of possible scammers mentioned in this thread. then, i sent my resume. and just my luck, i was called for their first interview. the first interview was so easy one. they just asked me to intro myself. and then filled in one questionnaire that bears questions such as why u want to take the job. btw, the job offered is for management trainee post.

after a few days, i was called for a second interview. since i got nothing to do that day so i agreed and came at 10am. while waiting for the 'interview' to start, they gave me some pamphlets. i was also told that this second interview will take 5 hours as we were going to be assigned to their sales team and do some work. i began to raise an eyebrow at the time.

i immediately shuffled through the pamphlets and handouts. and stiffled my laughter. there r misspellings and wrong formatting everywhere. surely good companies will not hv such mistakes in their documents, right? furthermore, i found out that the team was lead by a 21-year-old diploma holder, who named his team members with weird nicknames. and there they r, saying that they r conducting their business in professional manner. its pretty hard to buy that claim seeing that they hv a 21-year-old as a leader and all the employees have stupid nicknames which they printed on their brochures.

as i looked around at the anxious and hopeful faces of other candidates...i started 2 pity them. i wonder if these ppl know what they r about to get into. and as i read the handouts, i had a good guess on what we were going to do for 5 hours that day: selling credit cards. free labour for them, i suppose?

so, without further ado, i simply walked out of the office with the handouts still in my hands. i hv had enough information about this company. i hv scoured the information on this company through their website a few days earlier. with this secondary information that i obtained teamed up with my first hand experience, this company is not a working place as it describes in its adverts. unless u r really desperate for a job, then this company shud be avoided. but what saddened me most is how this company exploits fresh grads by luring them to do direct selling, disguising it as 'management trainee'. and for goodness sake, this company is included in the Graduan handbook sold nationwide. buy the 2005 edition, u'll find an article about it.

many of my frens r unemployed now. and i m lucky enuff to be employed after a mth of graduation. i hope those fresh grads out there to always be aware of these kind of company. if u know what u r getting into, its ok. thats y, b4 going to any interviews, make some research on the company first.

This post has been edited by haiku: Mar 5 2006, 04:27 PM

haiku: what's the company name tat u been to interview,mind 2 tell the exac location of the company (in KLCC or nearby KLCC)?

There is one more here...
The most funniest one is when I was looking for a job just after graduating from university. I just went KL to look for my UNI friends. Then dunno a friend which she did not contact me for years suddenly called me, says she would like to have lunch with me and fetch me to my destination. (P/S: I went KL by bus.) I totally happy about this idea cos it's a free trip anyway, I meeting friends was my objective going KL. After that, she asked whether I found any job and I told her I had some interviews pending for approval. She then called some of her "friends" to join us, and then starting to talk about she's doing a special: money earning business, which called: "network sales" blah blah blah... forget the specific term... Then she show me how she can own a kancil within 6 months, and then FORCEFULLY drive me to her company to brain wash me, with a lot of her seniors. (I don't want to reveal that company's name). They told me they can earn 100k per month if you're doing it right and why not join them right away. And yes, I forget to tell you, the entry require a membership fee of 3K!!! And they showed me A LOT (I dunno why there's so much people there talking) of dunno visitors or random guys doing their business.
What is worst, I was at her company at 3pm, when I went out there, it was 10pm. Why, because I said: "I WILL THINK ABOUT IT" to them when they ask me to join with a lot of crap. Wasting my whole day in her company... she still not give up and invite me to her company's talk in next day, paying the ticket fee somemore...
I slipped off the next day by following my friend to midvalley... lolz...