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ozak
post Nov 27 2012, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 27 2012, 11:18 AM)
Yes, but how dirty is house hold dishes? can already wash few plate with 5L cold water. Invest in good detergent and 3M scrub is good already.
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If talk about the water waste, yes. It is not worth it.

Like those overnight dish which is harden, hot water is best. Another is overnight harden podridge. You need to scrub quite hard and longtime to remove. If using hot water, would be easy alot. Dish washer using hot water?

Cooking using hot water, shorten boiling time ?
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post Jan 12 2013, 11:35 AM

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QUOTE(~Curious~ @ Jan 12 2013, 01:45 AM)
has anyone heard of monier roofs?they have a solar powered one,,issit d same function as getting a solar water heater?
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Roof tiles can become solar water heater?
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post Jan 15 2013, 10:49 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Jan 15 2013, 10:10 PM)
Thanks for the reply. So you are saying most of the time the installers just install without any additional support for 60 gal solar tank. For me two pieces of wood under one side of the tank have bent recently. I added a 2x5 on these two pieces but there is no way to make it straight. Just make it so that it will not bend further and collapse.

Nowadays metal roof truss are used. Just do not know if it is stronger than wood. It looks very thin.
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You can ask tomjason here. He Reno his roof structure by himself. And using metal roof truss. Strong roof structure very much depend on design. A good design can support high load anytime.
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post Jan 19 2013, 11:44 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Jan 19 2013, 09:04 PM)
4 feet apart.

See picture. I think it is extra weight due to roof tiles now absorbing water.

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Anyway, I think it is now ok since I added 2 pieces of 2x5 supporting the 2 bent pieces. The only thing is it cannot go back to its original, just that I dont think it will sink furhter. The 2 2x5 is supported by concrete wall below as you can see from the drawing above.
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Why not use the car jack, jack it back to the original place. Than use a wood to support the bend wood side. That can strengthen back the wood weak bend side.
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post Jul 9 2013, 11:59 PM

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QUOTE(SeanFD2 @ Jul 9 2013, 11:14 PM)
Am looking for some advise on solar water heater in terms of costing, brand and life span. My house is double storey with 3 bathroom and 1 toilet...any sifu introduce.. notworthy.gif
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Read back and you know which to choose.
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post Jul 10 2013, 12:14 AM

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This 1 put inside, no need poll already. All others can go 1 corner.
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post Aug 4 2013, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(simplety @ Aug 4 2013, 12:52 AM)
Wow! Really that good?
You are suggesting all to use this?
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Don't just take my word. Go and read. Than tell us here good or not.
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post Aug 4 2013, 11:13 PM

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You reading history lah.
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post Aug 26 2013, 12:36 PM

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QUOTE(firestream @ Aug 26 2013, 12:08 PM)
Read the whole history yet only find a lot of marketing talk.

Got an offer between Solar power & summer . comparing spec and it's a bit confuse.

Summer , 300 litres , ~ 66 gallons
1) outer case - Zincalume
2) riser tube - 6 copper tubes
3) absorber area = 2 m2/ planel (Is that mean 2 panel = 4 m2 ?)

Solar power , 270 litres , ~60 gallons
1) Outer case - Stucco Aluminium
2) Riser Tube - 10 copper tubes
3) Absorber Area = 2.97m2

So is solar power have a smaller collector/absorber area compare to summer ?
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What marketing talk? Can't find usefull infor here?

The size depend on how many person use in your house.
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post Sep 3 2013, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(firestream @ Aug 26 2013, 02:07 PM)
Sorry, shd be more specific . Information like power consumption calc & roof support , piping is useful. However, I can't find more useful info like the panel material , size comparison of different brand as all this affect efficiency.
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For more techincal detail, you have to google. Or look for some brand on their website. Microsolar have a pretty good technical comparison on their site.

Here we mostly question and answer. And talk kok also. tongue.gif
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post Sep 3 2013, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(simplety @ Sep 3 2013, 01:27 AM)
Hi Ozak, WeiKee,
Went to MicroSolar 'showroom'. It's actually a very old house in ss14, sadly quite rundown too.
I am a bit concerned about the reliability of the supplier.  icon_question.gif  Can you help explain why you think MicroSolar is still the best?
They pass me a bunch of brochures which looks more technical than what I can understand.
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This 1 we said, good thing don't show you easlly. tongue.gif

It is site double storey house right? They told me this is account office. hmm.gif

Anyway, for solar heater most important thing to look for is the efficiency to generate hot water. How hot the water can generate from the lowest enviroment temperature. Let say that day is rainy day with outside temperature is 25c. Your solar heater that day can boil the water to 50c from the 25c enviroment. That is 100% efficiency. Another efficiency is the water temperature. A cold water maybe 15c can boil up to 60c or higher on rainy day.

If that solar heater can generate 90c water from 0c temperature enviroment, I buy the heater back and put it at my hall to pray it as a god. notworthy.gif

We need hot water during cool day and cool water during hot day. But solar heater is opposite. So efficiency is important.

Another thing is, if the solar heater is efficiency enough, you don't need backup heater to stick inside the tank. All the brand accept microsolar have a backup heater incase no hot water during rainy day. Does that tell me the heater is not efficiency enough. hmm.gif

This pictuer tell you a thousand word. --> http://www.microsolarsystem.com/ Why a resort on top of the mount kinabalu will choose this solar heater? Can this heater generate hot water enough in the enviroment which the whole day is damn cold ? This solar heater don't have electrical heater to backup somemore.

Microsolar have pattern technology on their product. They got 1 technology inside the tube which increase the temperature efficiency compare others. Because of this pattern, others brand local cannot copy and adopt into their product. That make the different.

Hope you can understand the techincal explain.
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post Sep 4 2013, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(simplety @ Sep 4 2013, 01:51 AM)
Thanks! Perfectly understand!
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But still concern about their reliability. smile.gif promised to call me back yesterday, till now no one called. Ish ish....
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No need buy that good 1 lah. Normal other brand good enough. Most of the day in here is sunny day.

This microsolar heater also look ugly ontop the roof. My friend install this microsolar for 6person ontop his roof. While his whole household is only 4person. doh.gif Freaking big the heater. Like spaceship landing on his roof. biggrin.gif
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post Dec 5 2013, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(Yamma @ Dec 5 2013, 04:46 PM)
my comment might be not related to the topic, but just want to know whether only me or the fact that room with good tile can save our electricity bill by having ability to retain room coolness?

found it different with previously laminated floor with newly install tile. much more cool.

not sure good for health or not.
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I don't like the feeling of my cool feet when get down from the bed.
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post Dec 5 2013, 07:20 PM

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QUOTE(stevie8 @ Dec 5 2013, 07:10 PM)
It chilled the feet and make you sick. That is why we have the cloth liked slippers just for that, "curi" from hotel whenever we stay.
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I don't like the whole house with tiling. It just sick to see no different between your kitchen and the room. Wood floor not just look warm and soft feeling. It also feel warm when walk on it.

When I was at those winter country, I understand why they have a wood floor or carpet or wear a stocking. Those tile floor (specially toilet) really really cool. That you don't wish to walk on it.
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post Dec 30 2013, 03:23 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 30 2013, 02:58 PM)
And no one compare gas smile.gif
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It is an age technology that many have forgotten. And new generation now born without any knowledge it at all.
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post Apr 21 2014, 12:56 PM

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QUOTE(trade_mark @ Apr 21 2014, 08:46 AM)
Dear Solar Water Heater Specialists,

Need your advice or some general info. Recently moved in to new house in Bandar Kinrara, solar water heater is provided by developer already, basicaly the shower with the handle to control water heat / temperature by turning left / right no need to switch on heater etc. However I noticed that early in the morning around 6-7AM there is hardly any hot water. What would be the best solution? Can somehow connect the solar water heater to a dedicated switch so that can manually switch on and off when those days not so much sunlight?

Thank you! smile.gif
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How about the handle turn all the way to hot water side? Is the water hot enough?

This look like the Solar heater have problem. Normally still can retain the water hot. Given no whole day raining. You need to complain to the developer or get the brand and direct contact to them to check.
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post Apr 21 2014, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(cdspins @ Apr 21 2014, 01:03 PM)
Ya..newer solar heater got cable and heating element...turn on the power and it operates as a heater...but may need to take a while before you can feel the heat because solar heater storage is big
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Most of the solar heater have heater element inside. Incase few day rainy day. Than you need to switch it ON.

The hot water take a while to arrive is because the pipe is not insulated. The water in the pipe is cold down. And the longer the pipe, more water is cooling down and longer time to arrive the hot water. This is 1 of the disadvantage having solar heater. It is kind of waste the water to wait for the hot water.

To solve this, got to insulate the pipe. And not using the pipe larger than 1/2" to minimise the heat loss. Also some western country using pump to return back the cool water to the heater. Some kind like a circulate.


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post Apr 21 2014, 05:13 PM

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QUOTE(trade_mark @ Apr 21 2014, 02:37 PM)
Yes in the mornings when I wake up, 6AM like that, i make sure to turn the handle all the way to how water side.... i once waited like 20-25 minutes, still only a bit of hot water. Normally bathe in the evening is ok, I guess it had enough energy to heat the water since it has taken in the sun for the whole day, but early morning, always almost no hot water......sigh......
Ya you're right, will need to see what the management says about it.
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There is a former having same problem as you back than. Got to change the tank. Try to read back. Or maybe somewhere.
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post Jun 4 2014, 08:50 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 4 2014, 07:35 AM)
Look like I am not the only one see pattern in many sellers here.
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It is pretty normal for any sale people to switch product and sale. Since the product is not own by them. Price, company problem, not popular and etc are some of the reason. There is no way for you to hold your principe of sale when thing and situation are change.

Just we here forumner consumer forget that he is same like others that selling something here.

I no longer buying any expensive product base on some people or saleman talking. Since we have internet.

You can search, research, review or do anything in the internet. We have to change our way of buying something. That help me to learn a lot.
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post Jun 4 2014, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jun 4 2014, 12:49 PM)
When selling, don't condemn other brands and design. It will come haunt you back. What's go around come around. Be ethical.
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Sometime he want to be a consumer. But forget he is a saleman also. biggrin.gif

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