It chilled the feet and make you sick. That is why we have the cloth liked slippers just for that, "curi" from hotel whenever we stay.

I don't like the whole house with tiling. It just sick to see no different between your kitchen and the room. Wood floor not just look warm and soft feeling. It also feel warm when walk on it.

When I was at those winter country, I understand why they have a wood floor or carpet or wear a stocking. Those tile floor (specially toilet) really really cool. That you don't wish to walk on it.

My mum from China. When i was a kid some times she washed her feet with hot warm water and said they did it often during winter washing family members feet especially the elders just before going to bed for health reason. Feet are to be kept warm, it connects all our body organs. I think it promotes blood circulation and recuperating the day cold feet for the night.

but msia has no winter and our air consist a lot of water which is termite friendly. tile seem to be best option for lazy person like me due to durability and less maintenance (I might be wrong).

now we are too far from topic. sorry

i hve two bathroom....so storage or instant?

Dear all,

Any 1 using Summer?

i don't know why my father objected strongly for solar water heater. i'm renovating my house now so either i decide to put it now or never. he said not worth it copper piping + solar water heater easily cost around 6-7k + you'll need maintenance in the storage water tank due to the kalsium build up after prolong use which decrease its efficiency.
just get instant water heater spoil than change. so i need some feedback from existing solar water heater user here. does it really save a lot in electricity comparing with instant water heater for a family min of 4 use?
i'll need to decide very soon.

thanks

If only roi comparison of instant vs solar, it will take very long time, 15 years or more.

Aesthetic point of view, centralized water heater are much better. Centralized can be storage, gas, and solar.

Actually to decide Solar or storage or instant. THe first question u should ask your family members or the one paying, do you want to have a relaxing shower like the hotels ? Well saturday is usually a bz day for us and those who visited my shop will know, after dinner and etc i reach home ard 9-10pm (tiring day), i am glad to have my 10" Sorento Rain shower Head and strong massage function of the hand shower, really loosen up my muscles and headache.




So after watching the video and this is what you want, then your option will b either a storage heater or solar. So, for 1-2 bathrooms or 1-2 person only, a storage heater is good enough but if u have more family members then solar will b a better choice. I m using Solar Power for 1 month and only turn on the backup heater once in early December whereby it rains almost everyday. My solar panel is facing north which is the only position and worst location to install a solar (could only get direct sunlight after 12pm, wasted the morning sunlight of 4hours), yet i still got my hot water 9pm at night.

If you are thinking of ROI from electricity saving you can forget about solar water heater. Putting the same money in investment instruments you can easily get to double the money in 10 years time. How are you going to save 2 times the electricity saving? In other word, you can never get your savings. The only consolation is electricity is going up and up.

It is not about savings but life. You got to enjoy life and not only you but all the family members including your father and think about it how long your dad is going to live without being able to enjoy good shower anytime he wants? Another 10 yrs, 20 yrs? Like the saying, in life how many 10 yrs do you have if not doing it now?

Not all hotels have good shower. 5 stars and above and that costs RM300 a night stay. Haven't enjoy a real good rain shower after a hot day work? Go play golf in the morning and finish your 18 holes by noon your body feel heaty, tired and hungry. As you step into the shower room, wah lah heavy warm rain pouring on your body Though hungry it is so reluctant to walk out of the shower . As you walk out you would tell yourself I would be back (for the shower) now go makan, otherwise you would think how good if I can have one at home. You could have not only one but all your bathrooms with solar water heater.

This post has been edited by stevie8: Dec 29 2013, 10:20 PM

Not forgetting also,instant water heater does not give you hot hot shower with huge lot of water. When I feel a bit not well I would have extra hot and extra long shower and I would be feeling much better. Even when sick I have no hesitation going for shower as I know I would be pour with lot of hot water and woiuld feel well.

I read that Japanese dip themselves in 40 C hot tub and enjoy themselves for hour.

i intended to install bathtub + solar but it's my father who rejected strongly. even though i can forcefully do without theirs consent but it'll will make these old folks unhappy. i'm scratching my head why? they saw/heard those a bit here and there example from my relative and theirs friend houses and getting opinions from them stating bathtub no use wasting spaces + when leaking it will be very troublesome to troubleshoot it. solar putting of top of the roof when lightning strike electrocution, omg which bunch of goons are theirs friends.

This post has been edited by quintesson: Dec 29 2013, 10:40 PM

If you have old roof, is better not putting solar, not because is unsafe but the chances of it leaking on old roof are higher and if need to repair you need to pay some money to dismantle and reinstall back.

Well renovating a house is headache but make sure every1 is happy. If your father strongly reject, then just get a storage heater instead. I just finish my renovation and our relatives did give some suggestions here and there but sometimes the suggestions that they gave also heard from other ppl not really done by them. Bathtub leaking, if installed properly rarely it will leak, my previous house about 20 years didnt leak at all but we rarely use the bathtub is true use it for shower only. I too agree that bathtub is a waste of space and u might only use it once awhile.

Roof leaking, usually at the connection due to improper installation, also if installed properly it wont give u problem for the next 10 years or more thatz y most solar companies are giving 10 years warranty.

Electrocution, instant heater many cases every year but ppl still use. However, if u r showering and really lightning strike right at your house, no matter u r using what type of heater, you will get electrocuted also as water is a conductor for electricity.

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Dec 29 2013, 11:43 PM

The roof leak I mention not because of solar installation, is due to old age of roof when the roof tiles sip through water.

Not referring to yours, previously our relatives ask us don use solar as it might leak, cause plaster ceiling to spoil and etc. Heard many scary stories from them too but we are selling the product so we know the risk is very low. Storage heater also got risk, if it leaks, it will directly damage your plaster ceiling, recently one of my customers got to change her bathroom's plaster ceiling, due to pipe burst at the storage heater due to imporper installation. Every type of heaters has its own risk but most of them are caused by carelessness. People wont get electrocuted from instant heater if they test their ELCB often, storage or solar wont leak if the installer checked the site and installed them properly. Just my advise, choose what you and your family feel comfortable.



This post has been edited by zheilwane: Dec 29 2013, 11:50 PM

Forget about bathtub, we dont dip ourselves in tub as we have no winter. Not even jacuzzi. In cold countries as the weather so cold and nothing to do outside and nobody wants to go out too cold you can spend hours in the hot tub. But here you got thousand and one things to do just cannot sit in the tub reading books and a wine by the side. Instead make a shower screen.

Roof leak usually at the joint angle and not at the wide area usually solar heaters are placed. Unless it is tank leak. Also when solar tank leaks, it drips to the roof and to your gutter not your ceiling for the stand alone type where tank and solar panel on the roof unless it is a split heat exchange type where the tank is below the roof and solar panel on the roof. But if it is storage then it drips to whatever at the bottom of it.

The maintenance is just changing the non return valves once every 3 years.

Lime builtup, not calcium. Lime the white things you see in kettle heating element. Since seldom use the heating element of solar heater, this is a non issue.

By the way, this december lot of rain and cloudy days, only one day we had to turn the hot to the max but still it is warm enough for shower, next day with little sun in the morning it was good for the day. Since then it is ok. My solar heating element ko long time and never replaced.

Bathtub, only if u have kids or spa machine then u might use it. Shower screen, i didnt wan it also, lesser maintenance, a lot of water marks and shampoo stain, used it when i was studying in australia, didnt like to clean it

However, if ur shower area is too near to the door and your door is a wooden one then u must get a shower screen. Just one disadvantage, without shower screen, u might feel a little cold when u turn off the water to shampoo your body but i m used to it already now

Btw, we do sell Instant, Storage and also Solar Heater, if you need more info, just bring ur father along and we could explain in detail about the pros & cons of each heater, so u can make the best choice for your family. For solar, we currently have a promotion for a new model Solar Power L66x which is only available in few selected outlets
https://www.facebook.com/builders.hardware?...hettimonster=hl

This post has been edited by zheilwane: Dec 30 2013, 07:47 AM

Think, I might have said this before in this thread. Solar water heating is the way to go if:
1. Landed dwelling
2. Dwelling generally oriented along N to S or S to N relative to house front entrance
3. Household size is at least 4 people
4. Living in house for at least 8 years or more

But the practical reality comes down to cost and the condition of the house.

If the house is old some stuff needs to be done first before proceeding:
1. Inspect the roof space to determine condition of roof truss. If still good then consider. Should prepare additional tiles. If tiles too old, consider re-roofing first otherwise roof leakage is a possibility from increase load.
2. Hack and install replace old GI/PVC pipes - Install water pump. This is a must.
3. Add copper pipes for hot water outlet
4. Consider separating WC inlet for all upstairs bathrooms to run on a separate supply line from bath/shower and faucet/tap supply. This reduce water hammer issues affecting WC inlet and cause overflow even when using brass floats. Even the plastic ones eventually will give way. Otherwise have to play around with water pump pressure with possibility of trade off at mixing flow rate.

This is my experience for an 1975 built home. GI pipes eventually burst after two years and had to have an external cold supply pipe in the master bathroom. The good thing is the roof is still in very good condition with truss spacing 2 feet apart and hence was good for load holding.

ROI of solar heater depends on usage. Higher the electricity tariff, with at least 4 people using, the sooner the ROI.