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ozak
post Nov 7 2011, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(kamion @ Nov 7 2011, 02:09 AM)
My dad says (about solar heaters)... When it's hot and sunny, you have very hot water. When it's clouded and chilly, you have cold water.

I have to admit, he's got a point! tongue.gif
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But we need the hot water in clouded and chilly day and cold water in hot and sunny day. smile.gif
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post Nov 7 2011, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(3536837 @ Nov 7 2011, 09:09 AM)
solar is a good solution for environment friendly...

and nowadays the solar price is acceptable , but dont forget have to add on the price for copper piping.....

the price for copper piping might more expensive than the solar itself = ="
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How much now? With add in copper piping etc, still price is acceptable ?

Is this true -> "When it's hot and sunny, you have very hot water. When it's clouded and chilly, you have cold water."

How is it environment friendly?




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post Nov 7 2011, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(3536837 @ Nov 7 2011, 08:08 PM)
about the price i not sure , u can ask ur contractor give u a quotation ...but if you want to do copper piping , new house is the better cos conceal is needed.....if u are 2nd hand house and dint do any renovation .....conceal for the piping wil cost u a bomb = =!~
just for sharing......
standard 2 storey terrace house roughly 6k for copper piping (new house under renovation)

When it's hot and sunny, you have very hot water that is true.....When it's clouded and chilly , solar itself have backup heater...

Environment friendly = Zero Electric Consumption
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If solar heater rm5k + rm6k for piping =rm11k for a hot water sweat.gif Not cheap.

Since when clouded and chilly, it need have backup heater, it is not Zero Electric Consumption. Can it operate totally without a wire connection? If can, than it is zero electric consumption.

If a solar heater can maintain at least 32c in bad weather, that is already good enough.


Added on November 7, 2011, 9:20 pm
QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 7 2011, 08:49 PM)
Where got so cheap, especially you need to pull all the way down ground floor bath room. I was quote 4k for entire house, exclude sink tap. End up, i got 2 storage tank, and he charge me 1.5k for only two toilet, with storage near the toilet.

But later my contractor just put everything in center because the electrician put all in center biggrin.gif. Oh, electrician also under him biggrin.gif

If i know, i want to buy bigger storage tank smile.gif
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You have 2 solar heater tank?

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post Nov 11 2011, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 11 2011, 11:53 AM)
PJusa, I have not experience the copper sound you mention. Well, maybe when i move in will know.
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My neihgbour is using solar heater and copper pipe. Always hear some sound when they use hot water. Something like hissing or hammering sound.

While my friend change his house piping to SS but run outside. Never lay inside concrete or underground. So always have water hammering when turn on tap.
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post Nov 17 2011, 08:26 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Nov 11 2011, 11:11 PM)
U hear water hammering after u close ur tap not ON. Ur neighbour have this problem bcoz of the water pump and not bcoz of the solar. If they change their pump to Grundfos UNI E, they wont have this problem.
My neighbour don't have a pump.


Added on November 17, 2011, 8:27 pm
QUOTE(ashiezai @ Nov 17 2011, 08:06 PM)
My house has an old solar water heater, but the water is not hot in rainy season.

It is possible to add a storage heater on the same piping next to the solar water heater as backup ? (when the water is not heated by solar).

Thanks.
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Your solar heater don't have backup heater?

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post Nov 18 2011, 08:19 AM

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QUOTE(ashiezai @ Nov 17 2011, 11:21 PM)
Ya .. very old already .. like 10 years ..

Thanks for your info
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10yrs lifespan is quite short for solar heater with the expensive price tag.

What is the temperature of the water during raining season?
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post Nov 18 2011, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 18 2011, 10:46 AM)
That is the problem with solar in Malaysia weather. Hence they put a sub system to warm it. This still take up electric.
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I wonder why we pay the expensive solar heater and yet not totally save at all. It still need electricity to boil when we most need it in bad weather.

What is the logic of this solar heater. hmm.gif


Added on November 18, 2011, 11:22 am
QUOTE(PJusa @ Nov 18 2011, 11:14 AM)
easier to just use a central gas heater then. cheaper also (upfront and gas is less than electric).
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Yup, gas heater is still the cheapest.

But why not much ppl using? Ppl afraid of kaboom? sad.gif

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post Nov 18 2011, 10:50 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Nov 18 2011, 10:16 PM)
There is still reason rinnai selling gas water heated tank. Is actually very efficient, I have few Singapore friend using it. And many Singapore using it too.

FYI, is one of the best seller in the State.

I don't see Singapore hdb go Kaboom.
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Gas water heater is very very safe. Thanks to more than half of decade of improvement. The technology now is safe enough till you don't need to maintain it for longtime.

Have you guys still remember gas water heater in bathroom before instant electric water heater takeover? And famous too with HK ppl using it to suicide. tongue.gif

Back to 70's-90's, National (panasonic) gas water heater is 1 of the famous here. My uncle still using it till now.

Installation is not difficult. Base on my many yrs own experience. smile.gif
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post Nov 18 2011, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Nov 18 2011, 10:25 PM)
Gas water heaters might explode due to improper installation, gas leak and etc, there is a possibility that it might explode but ofcoz the probability is very low. Similarly, there are ppl who got electrocuted by instant heaters, may b less than 10 cases per year.

Many Singaporean opt to get storage or gas heater as most of them are staying in condos whereby they cant install solar heaters.


Added on November 18, 2011, 10:29 pmHere is an example of minor explosion due to improper installation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgr-5A2s8mo
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Gas water heater is not easy to explode. Unless the fire have been blew out by wind and forget to turn off. Even if the pipe leak and caught fire, the regulator will shut it off. The fire is just shut out from the leak pipe. But won't explode. My own experience.
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post Dec 1 2011, 09:20 PM

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QUOTE(Don Quixote @ Dec 1 2011, 09:15 PM)
I am looking at Solarwave tube system. Anybody has any experience using or heard of anything regarding this brand of solar energy?

There is quite an attractive package for 1 unit of Solarwave, 1 unit of Hydo1 membrane filter and 1 unit of Pressure Booster Pump with installation for all.
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What is the package price? With installation?
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post Dec 19 2011, 03:42 PM

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QUOTE(finestq @ Nov 22 2011, 01:45 AM)
ya.. i am interested in Microsolar too...they seem very high tech... anybody tried it before? what is the price compared to other brands?
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My friend just instal a Microsolar solar heater. It is the most effeciency so far in the market as what he said. I m waiting for his price.

What I like so far is, there is no heater in this model. Free from electrical bill, 0 bill. The only brand I know now. Even in cloudy day like now, the water can cook maggi mee. That, I can't proof now till I take 1 day to try myself with some maggi mee. tongue.gif
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post Dec 19 2011, 06:02 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 19 2011, 04:52 PM)
Heard of this solar too. Wonder what is the difference between normal solar panel.
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I believe the different is between the vacuum tube and the tank side. Which how it transfer the heat to the water. The vacuum tube is same for all type of brand.

If the price 100Liter stay below RM5k and 0 bill TNB, probably will consider it. Otherwise will design my own heater with 0 bill TNB. tongue.gif
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post Dec 20 2011, 09:09 AM

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QUOTE(zheilwane @ Dec 20 2011, 12:12 AM)
Micro solar is similar to SOLAR POWER Heat Pipe Model. Just like other normal heat pipes solar in the market, Micro Solar's tubes are connected directly to the storage tank. Solar Power on the other hand are connected to a manifold, making it leak proof.
I guess why it more effeciency than others. I have seen another brand name SDS from germany where the heat pipe is look diferent from others. But connect to manifold too. Not sure the effeciency.
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post Dec 20 2011, 10:36 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 20 2011, 09:49 AM)
Is actually a difference system, from outer box look similar but the way it transfer energy is difference. I read a fair bit of the conventional and this micro solar last year before renovating my house. Ah well, still on the high side if you ask me. My ROI will need about 10 years with my current usage.

BTW, my neighbor is now renovating her house, and removed the solar panel for service while changing the roof. She use it > 10 years and the internal component is still very good. She just need to change the valve which only cost her about few hundreds inclusive of servicing.  She is using the "Summer brand"

For thos wanted to use solar panel maybe can consider this brand too.

http://www.solartech.com.my/summer/faq.php
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How if the ROI include the washing machine which need hot water and reduce time boiling water or hot water need in the kitchen. That can shorten the ROI.

Unless those seller can help us shorten the ROI. tongue.gif

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post Dec 20 2011, 05:09 PM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Dec 20 2011, 10:52 AM)
For washing, i don't use much hot water, only few time a month. Furthermore I don't have copper pipe in ground floor so is another cost of installation.

I don't see the need of using hot water in kitchen unless we have dishwasher machine. Not that our room temperature is below 20c right?

Actually I made some calculation,  Rinnai Gas heater have faster ROI  for family with 3 to 5 members (excluding copper installation which similar price for storage, solar or Gas)
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Few time a month consider alot for me if using hot water for washing machine. I use once permonth. With free hot water from sun, I would consider every wash is hot water. He...

For kitchen side, can reduce the time to boil your water if you have a hot water from the tap. And reduce your cooking time. I wonder can direct drink or not. hmm.gif

I still searching for a saver heater in term of cost and usage. A slighty expensive heater but 0 TNB bill is still ok to me.
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post Dec 20 2011, 09:55 PM

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QUOTE(phoenix69 @ Dec 20 2011, 07:08 PM)
Err, not many washing machine with hot and cold water inlet wor... blink.gif
If use 1 inlet does that mean you have to use mixer as water outlet??
If yes how to control temperature?
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You don't need hot and cold inlet. Mixer wil do the job. And washing don't need precise temperature control.
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post Jan 4 2012, 10:14 PM

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Find out the Microsolar price

1) m80vthe 340liter for 9person - RM6990
2) m60vthe 250liter for 6person - RM4990

Both no heater stuck in the tank.
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post Jan 5 2012, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 4 2012, 10:32 PM)
Planing for your house? price include of pump too?
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Too expensive lah. Only 2 person use.

What interest me is the efficiency of this microsolar. It can achieve high efficiency without need a heater even cloudy time. This is a true solar heater which don't need an electrical at all.
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post Jan 5 2012, 09:00 AM

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QUOTE(manemaren @ Jan 4 2012, 11:18 PM)
My hot water usage is quite low. I am thinking of installing for safety reason only.
If I installed it for both my upper floor bathroom, how much would it likely to cost me?
Do you come onsite to propose a solution?
As long as it still use power, there is no safety reason.

Normal heater are quite safe already. Get a good and reliable brand like Panasonic. If still feel not safe enough, than instal some safety device along side.
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post Jan 5 2012, 09:12 AM

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QUOTE(weikee @ Jan 5 2012, 09:07 AM)
Best use water kettle to boil for safest. Solar also have risk of lighting strike. biggrin.gif
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Some people is paranoid. After some news read. biggrin.gif

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