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post Oct 27 2011, 10:08 AM

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QUOTE(Alphaproject @ Oct 27 2011, 10:02 AM)
you are 1 strong mofo (moon walking with 400 pounds barbell... MJ, beat that!!! oh wai.....) tongue.gif
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Compared to you guys, especially dark, i'm nothing. I gotta catch up a lot of my physique and my poundages
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Alphaproject @ Oct 27 2011, 10:15 AM)
brah, you wouldnt believe how light i train... my body just responed well to training... tats it...
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I train light too man. It's just some of my lifts are strong( relative). I'm thinking of just cutting down and not bulking back up. I'm having a lot of trouble trying to fit my legs into pants. I'm naturally big sized. Believe it or not. Big boned. As mythical as that sounds.
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(kurtkob78 @ Oct 27 2011, 10:23 AM)
i just dont get the hip drive. is it you move you hip up first? if like that, you will use alot of your back muscle when lifting the weigh up into straight position. Why do you need to do hip drive?

I notice there is some difference to mikehuan squat between 80 and 100kg. the 100kg position, i can see that at 100kg squat, his lower leg is straighter or nearer to pependicular compare to floor. which is better
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A squat , mainly involves the quads, hams, glutes, core. Bsically, the hip drive is important to ensure tha he is not lifting with his back but with his lower body. It ensures that by having the movement initiated from the hips, that the weights are distributed toward the glutes, Hams and quads. Squat is a very good leg exercise. Because the focus, if done correctly is not
Only on the quads, but on the whole leg itself.
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:31 AM

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QUOTE(Alphaproject @ Oct 27 2011, 10:28 AM)
your the meso+endo guy... a very good platform to start with...

im the ecto+ecto guy sad.gif .... i have to do twice the work u did....
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It's more of a over time thing I guess. I only started serious training 6 months back.
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:36 AM

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@kurt I'm not in a position to see the videos agai now so I'm not sure what bending you are talking about. What I can make out is that you're saying, one he sits into the hole ATG squat, and one he does a parallel squat.

About squatting, try going to the pinned thread and watch the videos if you have hard time trying to understand my wall of texts
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:40 AM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 27 2011, 10:37 AM)
I didn't get it at first either. But that hip drive helps involve the hamstrings into the movement, which in turn means more power to shoot you out of the hole. It fixed my weakest spot of the exercise, which was getting out of the hole. Your lower back would give out first before anything else, from my experience.. so squats isn't a primarily leg exercise, more to lower body.

One of the key things to look at during squat is your knees should not go past your toes, so imo I got better there.

I just got the best idea of a meme for razor. Anyone knows how to do meme'?
"Moonwalking with 400lbs"
"Like a boss!"
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I should really try to bring up my squat poundages, but I'm more of a front squat, Hack squat guy. I admire guys like you and dark that can squat that much.
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post Oct 27 2011, 10:49 AM

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@mike btw, try to notice my trap movement in the video yea? Before starting the repetition and after I was done with it. A lot of guys make the mistake of hyperextended their lower back, in actuality it is the locking if the lats and traps at the top of the movement
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post Oct 27 2011, 11:56 AM

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Oct 27 2011, 11:55 AM)
dark dont squat anymore due to back injury
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yea, he mentioned b4, I'm kinda curious how his leg days are
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post Oct 27 2011, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Oct 27 2011, 12:02 PM)
I am a hamstring dominant guy
I dont get much quads from squats if comare with hips
i dont really go ATG but just go deeper than 90 thats all
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get dark to take a look at your form if u train with him, otherwise, stick with hack squat. elevate your lower back and middle back, put a pad between your back and the back rest. Try and tell me how it feels
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QUOTE(theCrab @ Oct 27 2011, 12:05 PM)
am sticking with hack squats and sissy squat
hits my quads pretty well  tongue.gif
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no such thing as sissy squat man. don't let that get to you. rmb that side/lateral raise video mate
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post Oct 27 2011, 12:26 PM

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QUOTE(theCrab @ Oct 27 2011, 12:14 PM)
I meant, a squat is a squat. Don't let "sissy" deter u
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post Oct 27 2011, 06:35 PM

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 27 2011, 05:43 PM)
thanks, dan!
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you and ur DL video, never arrived one.
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post Oct 28 2011, 11:20 AM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Oct 28 2011, 07:16 AM)
razor what you did was unsafe IMO. ROM. To short for even a partial and the jerking near the top. You're asking for injury.
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noted, thanks for telling me, I'll re-check my form again this week, at a much lighter weight

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QUOTE(mikehuan @ Oct 28 2011, 03:13 PM)
come to think of it, partial deadlifts kinda bypasses your body's built in safeties right? if you use straps you're lifting more than your grip allows; and lifting it up from a rack allows you to skip the concentric movement of a deadlift, which means you could use WAY heavier weight than you can handle.  your back wont get the brunt of the weight until the time you actually bend your hips.

am i making sense or is this pure nonsense? genuinely curious..
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using straps, eliminates the weakest link between you and the load, your grip. Trying to bring the back muscles to failure, you have to go through your grip. I think you understand where I'm coming from

QUOTE(jeff78 @ Oct 28 2011, 03:34 PM)
I think you made complete sense. Besides all the big muscle groups which gets the attention, the smaller muscles, joints all work together to provide a full ROM. In my opinion, its always better to train the whole movement and natural ROM as thats how we are meant to move. Just as a personal choice, I dont use straps or belts as well and work with weights that naturally my body can handle in squats / deadlifts. I think this will allow the weaker smaller muscle to catch up eventually, and overall giving you signal that its time to up the weights. My 2 cents  smile.gif
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so you're saying, you should always do a pulling movement that is within your grip strength until your grip strength increases ? really?And belts, straps, wraps, anything of that sort, they are all a form of support, something of a preventative measure. Having a belt when you squat don't mean you are not risking injury, having a belt when you deadlift doesn't put you out of harm's way.

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post Oct 28 2011, 07:47 PM

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I still don't get it. How does wearing a belt takes anything away? Your core muscles will come into play with or without the belt. Having the belt, helps keep the core muscles during the movement when one is trying to concentrate on everything else. It should be natural to have your core tight( imagine sucking your belly button in) whenever you are to perform a compound movement. I'm not sure how you guys train but I suck in deep and keep it tight before I put that belt on. And it's only on when I go for my last set / really fatigued. Otherwise, without the belt, my core will still be tight
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QUOTE(shiloong7081 @ Oct 28 2011, 10:05 PM)
eh you suck it in ? i thought keeping your core tight means exerting pressure against your abdominal wall, or pushing it out
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You core is your abs and lower back. Keeping it as tight as possible protects it. How does pushing it out keeps it steady? Like dan said, flex. Just keep your mid section tight
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QUOTE(shanecross @ Oct 28 2011, 11:51 PM)
Only so much your core can handle. I always use a belt when i deadlift and squat. It does tighten the midsection which allows your body to maintain the arch and no buckle your lower back. From the video you posted (180kg i think), you look like you were already struggling to keep your form steady. Another reason for that might be because you are doing partial lifts. Maybe a full deadlift would look different in the video. I'm not very familiar with the bb approach for a partial deadlift, but from a strength perspective, you might need to lower the weights and do a full deadlift because form is terrible and you might bust your lower back in no time.

Just a thought

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Noted. Thanks. I don't go that heavy all the time, and it was at the very end of the w/o and probably more weight that I could have handled at that time.
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post Oct 29 2011, 12:19 PM

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QUOTE(darklight79 @ Oct 29 2011, 10:48 AM)
You're correct, it's the same. Note that these are pretty old videos. Some more than 1-2 years ago. For example:-

405lbs x 8


I don't have the video of my deadlifting 525lbs but my form was damn near perfect. This is another old one when i was not as strong, a bit jerky sorry.
This is 475lbs. Quite easy.


And this is a warm up video of me deadlifting 315lbs x 10


So razorboy, don't be discouraged, I'm telling you cos i don't want you to end up with a f***ed up injury. My problem was NOT my form but my ego, i attempted 525 x 3 when 2 reps was enough.
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I know man. Not to worry. I am really glad about getting comments. At least i know that there are places which I'm getting wrong. That's how I will be able to learn and improve. Once again, thanks a lot guys. I might have ended up in the hospital if non of ya'll go straight forward with me like this. I appreciate it


Added on October 29, 2011, 12:45 pmGuys, what you guys do when you just crash half way through a session?

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post Oct 29 2011, 01:49 PM

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QUOTE(kaspersky-fan @ Oct 29 2011, 12:47 PM)
get out to buy gatorade? lol
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the only intra-w/o i use is Xtend. The No-Xplode crashed very early today. I'm not gonna use it again.

QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 29 2011, 01:26 PM)
I take an extended breather, maybe like 5-10 minutes. Then it's back to squeezing out what I can before calling it a day. If my body isn't up to it, no point forcing the issue.
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What I did was just now was just ahead and finished off whatever I needed to do and skipped cardio. Never had a crash during a session. Demoralizing
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QUOTE(statikinetic @ Oct 29 2011, 02:45 PM)
I don't do negs on deadlifts. Sounds like you're deadlifting more than you can handle.
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This is the guy that bench 2x body weight and has yet to post his video. He must be dead lifting like a tonne or something

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