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post Oct 18 2011, 07:04 PM, updated 14y ago

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Hello guys, i have a toyota landcruiser prado which i want to have a engine swap from a 2jz

I know this is a weird project but do bear with me sweat.gif

anyway i have some questions and i'm not completely sure whether its possible(jpj approval etc)

so thats why i came here, could you guys enlighten me? blush.gif


Well the other stuff i plan to do, is pretty optimistic but oh well i'll try my best laugh.gif

the stuff include

In car PC, interior upgrade(wood trims etc), sunroof, new frontseats, sapphire black or white paint job.


Oh yeah what are required to install a 2jz? would i have to get a new gearbox? the current one is a 5 speed manual

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post Oct 18 2011, 07:10 PM

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i have no idea how this would be done. problems you will encounter, mounting the gaint 2JZ and transmission.
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best if you mount everything from the 2jz halfcut to the prado, dun mix n match. you are buying a complete halfcut right? 2jz engine has manual gearbox too, but the price is not the same with auto, its little bit higher if i'm not mistaken.

your project is not weird at all, i have been toying this idea of using 2jz engine on a 245 gl (not 240) volvo for quite some time just no time to make it happen.

on jpj side, u need to do puspakom inspection after engine installation, they have few forms and if yoy have insider (runner) things will be easier but of course need to pay lah. but preferably don't install those ICE that you mention above before inspection, things might get nasty if the puspakom guys see stuff that is not common / normal in the car.

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post Oct 18 2011, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(fluffy6640 @ Oct 18 2011, 07:10 PM)
i have no idea how this would be done. problems you will encounter, mounting the gaint 2JZ and transmission.
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QUOTE(utusanmeridian @ Oct 18 2011, 07:22 PM)
best if you mount everything from the 2jz halfcut to the prado, dun mix n match. you are buying a complete halfcut right? 2jz engine has manual gearbox too, but the price is not the same with auto, its little bit higher if i'm not mistaken.

your project is not weird at all, i have been toying this idea of using 2jz engine on a 245 gl (not 240) volvo for quite some time just no time to make it happen.

on jpj side, u need to do puspakom inspection after engine installation, they have few forms and if yoy have insider (runner) things will be easier but of course need to pay lah. but preferably don't install those ICE that you mention above before inspection, things might get nasty if the puspakom guys see stuff that is not common / normal in the car.

all the best!
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i'm hoping to find a good half cut 2jz but if there's no choice i guess i have to mix and match. But if a 2jz is out of my reach i'd opt for a 1jz twin turbo halfcut which is relatively cheaper

ahh 245 gl if im not mistaken thats a wagon right? Wolf in sheeps clothing right there if u put a 2jz in it laugh.gif

hmmm yeah i thought so too...puspakom guys are a real pain in the behind, sent in my 530i recently..they really gave a lot of probs with the tint and stuff.

hmmm any idea whether i'd be able to use the lowrange box or 4wd etc after the transplant? unsure.gif

and thanks dude thumbup.gif

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post Oct 19 2011, 08:09 AM

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Got 1JZ Landcruiser in Puchong. No 4WD because owner transplant everything from Supra. Long shaft need to mod and balance.
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QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 19 2011, 08:09 AM)
Got 1JZ Landcruiser in Puchong. No 4WD because owner transplant everything from Supra. Long shaft need to mod and balance.
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would be nice if i was able to speak to that owner blush.gif

Preferably i hope i can keep the 4wd system but if can't then can't la sweat.gif
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post Oct 19 2011, 01:19 PM

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can be done, cuz your car original engine is 2800cc? 3000cc? or 2700cc? as long as the displacement differences not more than 20% can be approve, got a jb workshop here also got a 2jz swap on a pajero
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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 19 2011, 11:39 AM)
would be nice if i was able to speak to that owner  blush.gif

Preferably i hope i can keep the 4wd system but if can't then can't la sweat.gif
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No idea, always saw the fella boosting here and there. Sound of the turbine spooling is very sweet. Hardly hear the BOV but waste gate got la.
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QUOTE(skyblas @ Oct 19 2011, 01:19 PM)
can be done, cuz your car original engine is 2800cc? 3000cc? or 2700cc? as long as the displacement differences not more than 20% can be approve, got a jb workshop here also got a 2jz swap on a pajero
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Original engine is a 2700cc 4pot Petrol

2jz pajero huh..nice biggrin.gif


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No idea, always saw the fella boosting here and there. Sound of the turbine spooling is very sweet. Hardly hear the BOV but waste gate got la.
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post Oct 19 2011, 02:40 PM

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i am using a 1jz hilux.

no problem at all as long as you reused/refit the ori 2jz dashboard and modified the gearbox to use the 4wd(combine 2jz gb with your ori gearbox bell housing).

my hilux is rwd now but i am going to change it back to 4wd.
just remember(last time its 25% dont know about now)

2.4l + 25%=3l
2.5l + 25%=3.125l
2.8l + 25%=3.5l

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post Oct 19 2011, 02:41 PM

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oh yeah guys anybody know a place to make custom headlamps and tail lights?

ready made lights can cost up to rm1.2k for the headlamps and rm600 for tail lights

like these
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btw does anybody know if there's any jpj restriction on aftermarket lights? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 19 2011, 02:41 PM)
oh yeah guys anybody know a place to make custom headlamps and tail lights?

ready made lights can cost up to rm1.2k for the headlamps and rm600 for tail lights

like these
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btw does anybody know if there's any jpj restriction on aftermarket lights? unsure.gif
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just go to any 4x4 accessories shop they probably got it,as for custum made you just have to bring it to a car painter usually they know how to smoke it.

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post Oct 19 2011, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 19 2011, 02:40 PM)
i am using a 1jz hilux.

no problem at all as long as you reused/refit the ori 2jz dashboard and modified the gearbox to use the 4wd(combine 2jz gb with your ori gearbox bell housing).

my hilux is rwd now but i am going to change it back to 4wd.
just remember(last time its 25% dont know about now)

2.4l + 25%=3l
2.5l + 25%=3.125l
2.8l + 25%=3.5l
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i'm assuming its 1jz gte?

hmmm may i ask where did you do your engine swap at? how much did it cost?

JPJ didn't give u any trouble?

hmm for me i don't mind just using rwd but would be nice to keep the 4wd and lowrange box etc for when times i do need it laugh.gif


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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 19 2011, 02:43 PM)
just go to any 4x4 accessories shop they probably got it,
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i'm asking about custom made headlights bro...not aftermarket ready made unsure.gif

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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 19 2011, 02:45 PM)
i'm assuming its 1jz gte?

hmmm may i ask where did you do your engine swap at? how much did it cost?

JPJ didn't give u any trouble?

hmm for me i don't mind just using rwd but would be nice to keep the 4wd and lowrange box etc for when times i do need it laugh.gif



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i'm asking about custom made headlights bro...not aftermarket ready made unsure.gif
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yes 1jzgte,it cost me 10k including the engine 5k,rwd is okay but just keep your ori gearbox and fron axle,you might need it someday,i sold mine and now i have to look for it which can cost up to 5k. as for jpj i use runner,paid 900 and all is done by them.

custom dun have la but you can smoke it,just bring to any car painter they probably know how to do it.last time here got someone doing it.

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post Oct 19 2011, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 19 2011, 03:05 PM)
yes 1jzgte,it cost me 10k including the engine 5k,rwd is okay but just keep your ori gearbox and fron axle,you might need it someday,i sold mine and now i have to look for it which can cost up to 5k. as for jpj i use runner,paid 900 and all is done by them.

custom dun have la but you can smoke it,just bring to any car painter they probably know how to do it.last time here got someone doing it.
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5k for the engine then another 5k for the workmanship?

yeah but the problem is my stock headlamps are like the old types which are not "clear" get what i mean?
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Someone asked about this before. In the end, keeping the original diesel engine is the best. The main point is torque. Petrol turbo needs big HP to get torque. Diesels does not. The only other petrol engine that has high torque without turbo is 1UZ or 2UZ. They are both V8. Starts from 3.2L. 1J or 2J in the end its practically for show. U need lots of revs to keep the turbo spooled in the powerband. Where else diesels only need 1500-2000 rpm to hit peak torque.

If u intend to go off road like construction sites and farm lands, diesel is the only way to go. Ready torque in any condition if u are stuck in mud. With 1J/ 2J, u wait la the engine reach 3K rpm or above only then the kick comes in. Depends also if turbo is small or big. wink.gif
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QUOTE(netmatrix2 @ Oct 19 2011, 03:34 PM)
Someone asked about this before. In the end, keeping the original diesel engine is the best. The main point is torque. Petrol turbo needs big HP to get torque. Diesels does not. The only other petrol engine that has high torque without turbo is 1UZ or 2UZ. They are both V8. Starts from 3.2L. 1J or 2J in the end its practically for show. U need lots of revs to keep the turbo spooled in the powerband. Where else diesels only need 1500-2000 rpm to hit peak torque.

If u intend to go off road like construction sites and farm lands, diesel is the only way to go. Ready torque in any condition if u are stuck in mud. With 1J/ 2J, u wait la the engine reach 3K rpm or above only then the kick comes in. Depends also if turbo is small or big. wink.gif
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I won't plan on going for serious offroading, just basic climbing hills etc

besides after changing the suspension and lowering the ride height the car won't really be offroad worthy anymore...not to mention bodykit going to be added in the latter sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 19 2011, 03:47 PM)
I won't plan on going for serious offroading, just basic climbing hills etc

besides after changing the suspension and lowering the ride height the car won't really be offroad worthy anymore...not to mention bodykit going to be added in the latter  sweat.gif
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no need to lower,just put on a 20" rim with 275/60 20 and it will fill the gap and looks lowered(but you will need at least 10k for that). brows.gif

yeah.. google for 2jz prado,very poisoning. brows.gif
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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 20 2011, 09:51 AM)
no need to lower,just put on a 20" rim with 275/60 20 and it will fill the gap and looks lowered(but you will need at least 10k for that). brows.gif

yeah.. google for 2jz prado,very poisoning. brows.gif
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i'm lowering cause i'm hoping it will reduce the bodyroll and increase high speed stability sweat.gif

yeah i'm planning on bigger wheels but not so huge la blush.gif maybe 17inch?

i did google 2jz prado yeah very very poisoning cry.gif


Added on October 21, 2011, 5:59 pmI've found a halfcut 1jz twin turbo for around rm3.5k

only drawback is its Auto sweat.gif

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The car now with its ugly green sweat.gif

Still looking for a suitable color replacement and bodykit shop sad.gif


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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 20 2011, 10:20 AM)
i'm lowering cause i'm hoping it will reduce the bodyroll and increase high speed stability  sweat.gif

yeah i'm planning on bigger wheels but not so huge la blush.gif  maybe 17inch?

i did google 2jz prado yeah very very poisoning  cry.gif


Added on October 21, 2011, 5:59 pmI've found a halfcut 1jz twin turbo for around rm3.5k

only drawback is its Auto sweat.gif
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auto is good and if u want more torque at lower rpm, add a bit more and go for the 1jz vvti (auto). if u go manual, prepare to break your rear diff if your car is only RWD, i have seen a lot of hilux and pajero with broken rear diff with manual 1jz vvti, after changing to auto everything is fine, even one of the hilux which is NEW (owner is super rich) changed to this engine has a broken rear diff
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QUOTE(stormlcc @ Oct 22 2011, 12:34 PM)
auto is good and if u want more torque at lower rpm, add a bit more and go for the 1jz vvti (auto).  if u go manual, prepare to break your rear diff if your car is only RWD, i have seen a lot of hilux and pajero with broken rear diff with manual 1jz vvti, after changing to auto everything is fine, even one of the hilux which is NEW (owner is super rich) changed to this engine has a broken rear diff
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hmmm, i have to convert my cars interior to accommodate a auto then, hopefully a accessory shop can make the auto gearbox look like factory sweat.gif


wonder if its Possible for full time 4wd? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 22 2011, 12:39 PM)
hmmm, i have to convert my cars interior to accommodate a auto then, hopefully a accessory shop can make the auto gearbox look like factory sweat.gif
wonder if its Possible for full time 4wd? unsure.gif
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just set it to h4 all the time,you got full time 4wd already hmm.gif

but if you really want it you need to look for land cruiser ninja 80 series gear box. hmm.gif
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Why do u need full time 4WD anyway? It is only for muddy terrain or areas with poor traction. For city roads, u may need it for flash floods.
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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 22 2011, 02:24 PM)
just set it to h4 all the time,you got full time 4wd already  hmm.gif

but if you really want it you need to look for land cruiser ninja 80 series gear box. hmm.gif
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hmmm i thought the stock h4 mode is limited? meaning its only for low speeds

QUOTE(acbc @ Oct 22 2011, 03:15 PM)
Why do u need full time 4WD anyway? It is only for muddy terrain or areas with poor traction. For city roads, u may need it for flash floods.
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cause according to stormlcc if i just use rwd the rear diff will be toast so hence why i ask if its possible to run full time 4wd sweat.gif
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QUOTE(Johan-N @ Oct 22 2011, 03:29 PM)
hmmm i thought the stock h4 mode is limited? meaning its only for low speeds
cause according to stormlcc if i  just use rwd the rear diff will be toast so hence why i ask if its possible to run full time 4wd sweat.gif
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h4 for high speed up to 180kmph
l4 below 90kmph i think.
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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 22 2011, 03:33 PM)
h4 for high speed up to 180kmph
l4 below 90kmph i think.
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hmmm are you sure? unsure.gif

Haven't tried going fast in h4 mode before sweat.gif

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i think so h2 is high speed 2 wheel drive(city/highway) h4 is high speed 4wd(city/highway) and l4 is low speed 4wd(4wd terrain@mud,hill climb,sand etc).

h4l is high speed but it also increase torque and dont use it on dry road only use on rainy day/flood or dusty road or muddy road.
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QUOTE(siksa @ Oct 22 2011, 04:01 PM)
i think so h2 is high speed 2 wheel drive(city/highway) h4 is high speed 4wd(city/highway) and l4 is low speed 4wd(4wd terrain@mud,hill climb,sand etc).

h4l is high speed but it also increase torque and dont use it on dry road only use on rainy day/flood or dusty road or muddy road.
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well if the case i put in the 1jz twin turbo manual, i think i would have to use h4 so that i don't break my rear diff? sweat.gif
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Part time 4wd can use 4H offroad, but not on road. Part time 4wd does not hv centre diff unlike full time 4wd. Why not look for 1jz vvti auto since u r not going to run it offroad or anything. Autobox would be more comfortable. 1jz vvti has better low end torque
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Oct 22 2011, 04:20 PM)
Part time 4wd can use 4H offroad, but not on road. Part time 4wd does not hv centre diff unlike full time 4wd. Why not look for 1jz vvti auto since u r not going to run it offroad or anything. Autobox would be more comfortable. 1jz vvti has better low end torque
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correct, the low end torque of the vvti that's breaking the rear diff during hard acceleration, if u use the manual 1jz twin turbo shouldn't be a problem on the diff
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hmmm alright then, i guess i'll just get the auto then.

Now gotta find place for bodykit and interior sweat.gif
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Oct 22 2011, 04:20 PM)
Part time 4wd can use 4H offroad, but not on road. Part time 4wd does not hv centre diff unlike full time 4wd. Why not look for 1jz vvti auto since u r not going to run it offroad or anything. Autobox would be more comfortable. 1jz vvti has better low end torque
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are you saying we cant use h4 on the road? why?from what i know h2/h4 is useable on the road except for h4l and l4. h4 is useful on the road if you want more grip especially when it is raining. rclxub.gif rclxub.gif
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Depends on which 4x4 u driving. From your H4 n H4L example, it's only available in mitsu. That's fine if u running H4 on road, and H4L refers to locked centre diff where front n rear wheels will rotate at the same rate.

Others part time 4wd doesn't hv centre diff, eg. hilux, land cruiser n so on. U can't run 4H on road (not that u can't, but it's not advisable to prevent g/box damage, and it affect the agility of the car) cuz u don't hv a centre diff box.

Ninja n those land rover defender are full time 4x4, they hv centre diff which allows front n rear wheel to rotate at diff rate.
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QUOTE(ahsam1212 @ Oct 23 2011, 07:52 AM)
Depends on which 4x4 u driving. From your H4 n H4L example, it's only available in mitsu. That's fine if u running H4 on road, and H4L refers to locked centre diff where front n rear wheels will rotate at the same rate.

Others part time 4wd doesn't hv centre diff, eg. hilux, land cruiser n so on. U can't run 4H on road (not that u can't, but it's not advisable to prevent g/box damage, and it affect the agility of the car) cuz u don't hv a centre diff box.

Ninja n those land rover defender are full time 4x4, they hv centre diff which allows front n rear wheel to rotate at diff rate.
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Mitsubishi one is 4H, 4L and 2H.
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Mitsu has 2H, 4H, 4HLock, 4LLock.
Pls check your transfer gear level. Seen it in pajero, including the new pajero sport vgt.
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hmmm ok guys, now i gotta find a good 1jz, and some other stuff


will keep you guys updated with pics hopefully soon biggrin.gif blush.gif



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alright guys finally ready to really set this project in motion


I've begun ordering the parts.

I shall start with cosmetics first as that's the easiest thing to do, and next week i'm gonna go look at the available halfcuts


Here's my options for the engines

2jz twin turbo halfcut auto

subaru ej20 turbo halfcut manual

rb25dett twin turbo manual

bmw v8 3000cc wub.gif wub.gif the bmw lover in me loves this engine laugh.gif
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rb25dett?

or u meant rb26. Rb25 dont come with twins.


for prado, take 2jz better. You really need the extra half liter to pull the car away. Besides, toyota + toyota.


if wanna go V8, look for 1UZ 4.3liter v8. Its a toyota too.
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QUOTE(farique @ May 16 2012, 11:09 AM)
rb25dett?

or u meant rb26. Rb25 dont come with twins.
for prado, take 2jz better. You really need the extra half liter to pull the car away. Besides, toyota + toyota.
if wanna go V8, look for 1UZ 4.3liter v8. Its a toyota too.
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must be a typo in the add then unsure.gif

hmmm i know the 2jz has better torque figures and power but problem with that engine is its a 3 litre and as i am going to get the car endorsed i really don't wanna pay for a 3 litre. having to pay for my bmw's big engine is enough already.

i was looking at the rb25det twin cam turbo rated at about 250hp and in manual, most of the 2jz are all automatic and the manuals cost a BOMB



btw alright how about Subaru impreza v3 sti halfcut engine or rb25? and can any of u guys recommend a shop in kl or pj?
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QUOTE(Johan-N @ May 16 2012, 12:03 PM)
must be a typo in the add then  unsure.gif

hmmm i know the 2jz has better torque figures and power but problem with that engine is its a 3 litre and as i am going to get the car endorsed i really don't wanna pay for a 3 litre. having to pay for my bmw's big engine is enough already.

i was looking at the rb25det twin cam turbo rated at about 250hp and in manual, most of the 2jz are all automatic and the manuals cost a BOMB
btw alright how about  Subaru impreza v3 sti halfcut engine or rb25?  and can any of u guys recommend a shop in kl or pj?
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another option is 1J. Its a 2.5liter twins as well.

I recommend these JZ engines are they are kind of bulletproof engine, much like the fame 4g63 vr4 engine. Besides, its a toyota engine.


a flat-four? That's gonna be alot of work on the mounts. Besides, straight-six has low engine vibrations. And it sounds alot smooth..than the barking of flat-fours. laugh.gif

its either rb25det or 1jzgte.

or, want cheaper, look for rb20det. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(farique @ May 16 2012, 02:42 PM)
another option is 1J. Its a 2.5liter twins as well.

I recommend these JZ engines are they are kind of bulletproof engine, much like the fame 4g63 vr4 engine. Besides, its a toyota engine.
a flat-four? That's gonna be alot of work on the mounts. Besides, straight-six has low engine vibrations. And it sounds alot smooth..than the barking of flat-fours. laugh.gif

its either rb25det or 1jzgte.

or, want cheaper, look for rb20det. tongue.gif
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i heard that jz engines are extremely hardy too laugh.gif

well the rumbly bark of the flat four kinda matches the boxy exterior of my car


i like the smooth sound of the rb25dett engines but i'm not too familiar with them. I'm not really looking for much power, i prefer a smooth power and sound hence why i like the rb25 but i wouldn't mind getting a 1jz

Here's a question, which would have better Fuel consumption and easier to maintain? the 1jz or rb25? hmm.gif

also one downside is most of the 1jz engines are auto sweat.gif




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