In This Thread : People who played Battlefield for long time keep demanding the game to be more real and complain if it doesn't, while games like Arma series and Operation Flashpoint floating around in front of them.

Incomprehensible.

This post has been edited by Fatimus: Oct 16 2011, 09:31 PM

It's a mind trick that your brain keep telling you love "old games is better".

ITT: People thinking game design is an art form rather than a science.

Science is about right and wrong. Call Of Duty is an art.

Bobby Kotick.


OT: Old games are only superior on the sense that they were the innovators of their time. Now the market is so saturated that it becomes very hard to discern yourself away from the mass of games being released, hence why most games become unmemorable. Also, cash cow.

Old games has also been cash cows very often. Might and Magic series for example, King's Quest, Tomb Raider, Ultima. These games often varied very little from each installment (Perhaps a little bit less with the Ultima series.) It's just isn't as lucrative a business as it is now so that it isn't as obvious that developers are trying to cash in on a franchise.

Anyways, it's usually just because all the old games you even see nowadays, like on GOG.com, are going to be the best games of the previous generations. Otherwise they wouldn't even be able to survive such a long time in existence.

Another reason why games nowadays are more geared towards the mainstream also has something to do with commodification of gaming capable platforms, if you didn't realize, it's no longer a market where 10k sales is a milestone. We're reaching into millions of sales as a general milestone for an AAA title nowadays, it's achievable only because gaming is slowly becoming a commodity.

I'm sure Zeratos would know a lot more about commodification than I do though. @_@

Lulz.

To be honest nostalgia has more to do with old games being better rather than any actual improvement in quality.

NFS 1 - 3 are better than current NFS. Gameplay is much more fun, soundtrack fit the mood well; i prefer those instrumental BGM rather than some rock, techno, pop music that used widely in the series today. And the graphic still looks great with Glide enabled on modern PC.

OT: thanks to GoG, now i can fully immersed myself with 3Dfx on Planet of Death (1997), back then it seems like nobody couldn't afford decent Voodoo graphic card, hence stucked with inferior directx5 - 7 direct3D.

This post has been edited by Angel of Deth: Oct 17 2011, 05:57 AM

Why older games more superior?

1) Games in the old days(Atari, NES, SNES, PS1 age) sells their gameplay if gameplay sux, you're doom, in the present you got good graphic you'll sell, example: Crysis 2, CoD series everything after CoD4 is trash, Duke Nukem series lolz, CnC series, crappy gameplay but good graphic.

2) They're actually getting easier nowadays, most old games are more challenging than new ones, exmple: Crysis series, Crysis 2 is much easier than Crysis 1, Wolfenstein series also getting easier, the Wolfenstein 3D is damn hard to complete lolz.

3) older games focus on offline play, newer games focus on online play(cuz dev make more cash this way), that make newer offline games getting crappier.

4) newer games is very complex compare to old one, it is hard to make good game out of it.

This post has been edited by Kizarh: Oct 17 2011, 06:43 AM

I don't play racing games, so yeah, I'll give you that one.

FPS don't age well though. Well, they do, but they cater for hardcore fans. (I still play DooM occasionally. Romping through E1M1 never gets old.) Shooting sprites may be fun, but I much prefer actual 3D shooters.

Probably someone said this earlier (TL:DR) but im gonna say, originality is what makes old game the best.

Also at the time we have nothing to put as a benchmark, so our options are always open to new games and with that we find newer and fresher gameplay of different games with different genres.

Now it seems we do have a benchmark, and when the game does not deliver the same trill as what their predecessor, we tend to be disappointed.

Return to Castle Wolfenstein: Enemy Teritory probably the Best FPS multiplayer ever, not as realistic as modern FPS but the gameplay is much better, BF3's rush mode is based on that game and lots of BF3's component(medic able to revive, support supply bullet which in RTCW:ET is field ops) come from that game, the disappointing down side of RTCW:ET is only 6 maps lolz

I disagree, NFS 1 to 3 are excellent NFS but i think High Stakes, Most Wanted, Shift 2 Unleashed and NFS World are much better than the first 3.

Most Wanted has the best Hollywood styled pursuits that isnt artificially made difficult. A reasonable single player that isnt too short or a snore fest. Also, very moddable now.

High Stakes is the most moddable NFS out there, with tonnes of mods out there, plus all the great content from Hot Pursuit.

Shift 2 Unleashed has the best tracks selection like Mount Panaroma to Circuit de le Spa, coupled with a great car list.

NFS World is a "free to play" online game scum, but it actually manage to improve something that never really ever exist in any NFS, a functional and decent multiplayer. Not to forget that it has one of the best livery editor in NFS but its a bit lacking on content.

No doubt the old ones are good, as i loved the original Hot Pursuit than any after that but the some of newer ones have definitely exceeded the first few NFS.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Oct 17 2011, 10:27 AM

Mechwarrior all the series..
The first game i played on a pc and seriously no front mission evolve or transformer game could ever replace those game..Timberwolf FTW!!!

This post has been edited by qhalidx: Oct 17 2011, 02:32 PM

Mechwarrior really need a reboot.

Front Mission is shit, and Transformers feels like, erm, Transformers that are light and agile.

It is important to 1st strike what's the definition of old. A 2 year old game can be easily be called as old as well .
I think games that are at least 5 years are old. Anything more would be retro.

However, this does not mean that older games are anything but better than their new cousins. We have seen game mechanics being improved overtime eg Civilization series. Whether is it good or bad, it is rather subjective to the reviewer's experience, expectations as well as taste. In my opinion, I think past games gives more freedom to gamers in the past compare to the new games we have.

Hands up who thinks Sim tower is funtastic!

This post has been edited by nipaa1412: Oct 17 2011, 03:36 PM

So much gameplay in less than 1.5mb.

I still need to work my way to 5-star! I somehow always floundered by the time I reach 3-4 stars.

I missed both Mechwarrior and Heavy Gears.

managing lift is such a sin