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post Oct 17 2011, 04:30 PM

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Oct 17 2011, 03:35 PM)
Hands up who thinks Sim tower is funtastic!
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I haven't played that, but I want a new Sim Golf!

I had the most EVIL golf courses hehehehehe
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post Oct 17 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 17 2011, 02:39 PM)
Mechwarrior really need a reboot.

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Microsoft already plan a new Mechwarrior. Its a simulation + RTS
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post Oct 17 2011, 04:59 PM

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QUOTE(y3ivan @ Oct 17 2011, 04:57 PM)
Microsoft already plan a new Mechwarrior. Its a simulation + RTS
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Where? It has Microsoft?

No thanks then. I wont touch GFWL.


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post Oct 17 2011, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(nipaa1412 @ Oct 17 2011, 03:35 PM)
It is important to 1st strike what's the definition of old. A 2 year old game can be easily be called as old as well .
I think games that are at least 5 years are old. Anything more would be retro.

However, this does not mean that older games are anything but better than their new cousins. We have seen game mechanics being improved overtime eg Civilization series. Whether is it good or bad, it is rather subjective to the reviewer's experience, expectations as well as taste. In my opinion, I think past games gives more freedom to gamers in the past compare to the new games we have.

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Then again some people disagree with this when they consider Civ V as dumbed down version of Civ series along with mass amount of DLCs. I can see improvement made in V but there are some regression too when some previous features are taken out. Felt like 1 step forward 2 steps back. Apply to some other series too but maybe it's just me being Angry Internet Man. Good thing some of the concerns can rectified by modding. Yay for moddability!

Some games nowadays are too linear perhaps so it restrict the emergent gameplay which typical gamers really like. Just look at the list of greatest games (Deus Ex,GTA etc) that give us freedom and the ability to play how we like. Though I must say there are some linear game that are good but then again games like Half-Life and Metro series still give some freedom.
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post Oct 17 2011, 06:08 PM

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QUOTE(Cheesenium @ Oct 17 2011, 02:39 PM)
Mechwarrior really need a reboot.

Front Mission is shit, and Transformers feels like, erm, Transformers that are light and agile.
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its a pity even microsoft the original producer won't reboot the series not even digital copy on sale on gog..but i still keep ahem copy for old time sakes...
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post Oct 18 2011, 02:53 AM

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mechwarrior became a freeware.

by the way, Fasa studios has merge to a bigger team under microsoft game studio.
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post Oct 18 2011, 05:38 AM

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During the good ole' days, i remember Ubisoft released free DLC for POD. The game originally came with 8 cars and 16 tracks from the OEM version, but later you can updated it to version 2.0 / Gold which added another 15 vehicles and 19 tracks. And also Ubisoft released free vehicles and tracks at their website, so total of official tracks for the game was 35 and 44 for vehicles. That was huge number for a racing game even in today standard. That was still not included others unofficial and fan made car and track. All of 'em for free.

This game for me deserve a HD remake but knowing how video game industry work this day, i expect there will be very limited amount of vehicles and tracks for retail product and those additional stuff / DLC will be released in several package with each one cost at least $10... and also with all those DRM.

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post Oct 18 2011, 10:20 AM

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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2011, 05:38 AM)
During the good ole' days, i remember Ubisoft released free DLC for POD. The game originally came with 8 cars and 16 tracks from the OEM version, but later you can updated it to version 2.0 / Gold which added another 15 vehicles and 19 tracks. And also Ubisoft released free vehicles and tracks at their website, so total of official tracks for the game was 35 and 44 for vehicles. That was huge number for a racing game even in today standard. That was still not included others unofficial and fan made car and track. All of 'em for free.

This game for me deserve a HD remake but knowing how video game industry work this day, i expect there will be very limited amount of vehicles and tracks for retail product and those additional stuff / DLC will be released in several package with each one cost at least $10... and also with all those DRM.
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Eh, somebody else who actually remembered THAT game. I thought I was the only one who played it. (It came free with my PC.)
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post Oct 18 2011, 10:27 AM

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QUOTE(Grif @ Oct 18 2011, 10:20 AM)
Eh, somebody else who actually remembered THAT game. I thought I was the only one who played it. (It came free with my PC.)
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You have Intel MMX? How much does it cost back in those day? It is like I7 in 1996 - 1997. I can't afford it at that time, still stuck with 486 until 2000 finally changed to K6-2, but at that time POD was old news, everybody turned to Counter Strike including me.
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2011, 10:27 AM)
You have Intel MMX? How much does it cost back in those day? It is like I7 in 1996 - 1997. I can't afford it at that time, still stuck with 486 until 2000 finally changed to K6-2, but at that time POD was old news, everybody turned to Counter Strike including me.
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Rm 7k+. A pretty penny indeed.

I still have it. And it still runs. tongue.gif (the PC I meant. The game is lost somewhere.)
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QUOTE(Grif @ Oct 18 2011, 10:31 AM)
Rm 7k+. A pretty penny indeed.

I still have it. And it still runs.  tongue.gif (the PC I meant. The game is lost somewhere.)
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RM7k? that was serious amount of money, never thought it was that expensive. Is it came with 3Dfx Voodoo graphic? I heard voodoo was rather expensive but no other can challenge it at that time. My cousin MMX came with Matrox Mystique 2MB, i doubt that costed same as yours. And why you still keep it? For old game?


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QUOTE(qhalidx @ Oct 17 2011, 06:08 PM)
its a pity even microsoft the original producer won't reboot the series not even digital copy on sale on gog..but i still keep ahem copy for old time sakes...
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Mech Warrior 4 and Mech Commander 2 are free to download now.
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er becoz of storyline?
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2011, 10:37 AM)
RM7k? that was serious amount of money, never thought it was that expensive. Is it came with 3Dfx Voodoo graphic? I heard voodoo was rather expensive but no other can challenge it at that time. My cousin MMX came with Matrox Mystique 2MB, i doubt that costed same as yours. And why you still keep it? For old game?
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That time? Nah, it came with 2MB S3 Virge. It was a Packard-Bell, brand inflation probably contributed to the price.

I keep it because it seemed like a waste to throw it away. tongue.gif
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post Oct 18 2011, 04:39 PM

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This is the best example of modern mechanics put into old games that work very well!

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/17...-is-remarkable/



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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2011, 05:38 AM)
During the good ole' days, i remember Ubisoft released free DLC for POD. The game originally came with 8 cars and 16 tracks from the OEM version, but later you can updated it to version 2.0 / Gold which added another 15 vehicles and 19 tracks. And also Ubisoft released free vehicles and tracks at their website, so total of official tracks for the game was 35 and 44 for vehicles. That was huge number for a racing game even in today standard. That was still not included others unofficial and fan made car and track. All of 'em for free.

This game for me deserve a HD remake but knowing how video game industry work this day, i expect there will be very limited amount of vehicles and tracks for retail product and those additional stuff / DLC will be released in several package with each one cost at least $10... and also with all those DRM.
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That game was just an over-glorified tech demo for 3D cards yawn.gif

I remember cos was desperately searching for anything to flex my voodoo1 and POD was one of them. Sad thing is, Wipeout looked better then rclxub.gif
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QUOTE(Angel of Deth @ Oct 18 2011, 10:37 AM)
RM7k? that was serious amount of money, never thought it was that expensive. Is it came with 3Dfx Voodoo graphic? I heard voodoo was rather expensive but no other can challenge it at that time. My cousin MMX came with Matrox Mystique 2MB, i doubt that costed same as yours. And why you still keep it? For old game?
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I think that's about right. I remember paying around 4k for my P166MMX with 32MB RAM, 2.5GB HDD, S3 3D Virge graphics and SoundBlaster AWE64.

The only thing I'm still keeping from that setup is the AWE64, which was last used in a PII IBM retrogaming box until the PSU blew up and killed the mobo with it last month. Currently it's resting until i can find the mobo i want to use for building another retrogaming rig.
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QUOTE(Currylaksa @ Oct 18 2011, 05:26 PM)
That game was just an over-glorified tech demo for 3D cards  yawn.gif

I remember cos was desperately searching for anything to flex my voodoo1 and POD was one of them. Sad thing is, Wipeout looked better then  rclxub.gif
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Yes, it was like tech demo for new MMX processor and 3Dfx card. Simple gameplay with simple plot. But luckily the gameplay itself was good, pure racing game because at that time demolition-style racing game such as Megarace, Wipeout, Dethkarz, Twisted Metal were on the rise. I still play that game today, and yes it has physics. You can hit barrel, penguin etc. and your car won't stuck. Downhill and uphill affect the speed of the car and collision too. You can rammed your opponent from side and they will fly outside of the track if the vehicle is lightweight such as motorcycle. Pretty good technology for 1997 game.


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QUOTE(RAMChYLD @ Oct 24 2011, 01:14 AM)
I think that's about right. I remember paying around 4k for my P166MMX with 32MB RAM, 2.5GB HDD, S3 3D Virge graphics and SoundBlaster AWE64.

The only thing I'm still keeping from that setup is the AWE64, which was last used in a PII IBM retrogaming box until the PSU blew up and killed the mobo with it last month. Currently it's resting until i can find the mobo i want to use for building another retrogaming rig.
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I think at that time MMX price was on par with today I7, hence the price. Talk about retrogaming why don't you use Dosbox or Windows compatibility mode instead? I don't know much about Dosbox but i read somewhere it is easier to configure older game with Dosbox rather than windows version, that's why site that sell old games like GOG always prefer Dos over Windows version.


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Good ole' point and click adventure game. Sadly this genre is dying today.

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this my most favorite early childhood game ever...i remember playing them 4 many hours during the school holidays...those days games were so tough until u want 2 break the keys in 2 without video guide...now with utube,,,u dont need 2 get stuck in levels 4 very long time dy n also u dont need book guides anymore laugh.gif rclxms.gif





although now i dont like anymore puzzle games but this 2 will always b my top favorite of nostalgia laugh.gif rclxms.gif

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I remembered playing Xenon without a soundcard.

Even the newer updates of top-down shooters are pretty old, like Tyrian and Raptor.

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