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Video/Audio Cover Song Collaboration, Polling for new cover

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post Mar 2 2012, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 1 2012, 03:56 PM)
I'll start with the drum part first and I'll post it here by this friday or latest end of this week.
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A big thanks!!! rclxms.gif

QUOTE(Belleza @ Mar 1 2012, 05:20 PM)
I want to join too hahaha
my soundcloud account
http://soundcloud.com/skysecret91
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Not bad but you need to record cleanly, get rid of all that hiss.

QUOTE(genyou90 @ Mar 1 2012, 05:26 PM)
have any sample of the rock cover ? just show some here as ref...
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Here ya go:


QUOTE(Burningscarlet @ Mar 1 2012, 06:47 PM)
You guys definitely need a good audio engineer. As far as I can see, there is absolutely no problem with the audio tracks, it's just that you probably need to EQ the mix a little, probably make the tracks a little more uniform by using capable sound equipment at least, and try to bring out the tracks which sound muddy and under powered here.

But anyways, I'm part of a cover band too, and I was thinking of starting my own little cover project since we're waiting for music college to start and stuff. You interested? We already have quite a few capable people in our circle of band mates already and we're not averse to bringing our equipment to any willing collaborators house to record them personally.
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Yes I do agree we need an audio engineer. I'm still new to this mixing and everything, hope you can give me some tips smile.gif . Would love to collaborate with you personally but I'm just a bedroom musician sweat.gif
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post Mar 5 2012, 12:11 AM

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Hey guys,
Here is the drum cover for the song in MP3 format.
It's abit fancy though and few noises., tell me what you guys think.
http://www.mediafire.com/?3gjx2fsrhce5m8f

I'm using adobe audition and didnt realise that it can't save as DAW format.
im going to re-record it using Ableton 8 when i finish download it.


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post Mar 5 2012, 05:52 AM

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have decided on the song keys?i can start experiment a bit on the ori key first.will change once the final key is decided.anyway,m i still in for this 2nd project?just finished my final exam.haha.and what bpm is it again? tongue.gif

ps:rathead,later plz share with me drum only track.can just pm me for that.thanx smile.gif thats a nice drumming uve done by the way

This post has been edited by rarap: Mar 5 2012, 06:10 AM
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post Mar 5 2012, 10:38 AM

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QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 5 2012, 12:11 AM)
Hey guys,
Here is the drum cover for the song in MP3 format.
It's abit fancy though and few noises., tell me what you guys think.
http://www.mediafire.com/?3gjx2fsrhce5m8f

I'm using adobe audition and didnt realise that it can't save as DAW format.
im going to re-record it using Ableton 8 when i finish download it.
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This drum track is good, how did you record it? Were you using multiple mic or just one?
Yes, better to record it as separate track and f you can do some tweaking on the EQ too, please do so so we can refine the muddy areas. Once done, send us the drum track only. Please specify what BPM were you using too (was it around 80bpm?

QUOTE(rarap @ Mar 5 2012, 05:52 AM)
have decided on the song keys?i can start experiment a bit on the ori key first.will change once the final key is decided.anyway,m i still in for this 2nd project?just finished my final exam.haha.and what bpm is it again? tongue.gif

ps:rathead,later plz share with me drum only track.can just pm me for that.thanx  smile.gif thats a nice drumming uve done by the way
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Everyone please experiment on your parts using the original key first (at E major), later the vocalist can choose what key he's comfortable to sing with.

And oh, I will finish our first cover this weekend.
Thanks.

rathead
post Mar 5 2012, 01:19 PM

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I record this using an electronic XM-drum with the sound output to audition program and added some EQ effects.

There is hiss even before I start to record. will try to tweak some of the EQ to remove that.

I'm not sure of the BPM. have u find out?
will send you guys the drum track once i've record it using ableton.
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post Mar 5 2012, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 5 2012, 01:19 PM)
I record this using an electronic XM-drum with the sound output to audition program and added some EQ effects.

There is hiss even before I start to record. will try to tweak some of the EQ to remove that.

I'm not sure of the BPM. have u find out?
will send you guys the drum track once i've record it using ableton.
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Question, do individual drum have their own output or is it just one? I reckon it's just one mono output.
To remove the hiss, I think there's a noise gate somewhere in your DAW. (i.e. Acoustica Mixcraft 5 got, can set noise suppression from 0 to 100% automatically).

If you import the song to Ableton, it automatically shows the native BPM, we can use that.
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post Mar 5 2012, 03:32 PM

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Each individual drum component connects to the sound module and output sound as one single channel. (if that's what you mean by mono)

This outputs connects to the line-in stereo of my PC.
I will try out Ableton tonight and let you know the outcome of it.
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post Mar 5 2012, 07:52 PM

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He is using electric drums that's why its easier to record.
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post Mar 5 2012, 09:36 PM

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Hey rathead, good drum cover! I think your problem mostly lies with distortion. Make sure to adjust your drum levels so that it doesn't clip and distort! (The volume is too high for the computer to handle, causing distortion)

Good luck on the next cover guys! Sounds pretty good so far. I'll try to find some time to contribute in the near future.
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post Mar 5 2012, 11:55 PM

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QUOTE(5p3ak @ Mar 5 2012, 07:52 PM)
He is using electric drums that's why its easier to record.
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yup. in the comfort of our room without annoying the neigbours smile.gif


QUOTE(Burningscarlet @ Mar 5 2012, 09:36 PM)
Hey rathead, good drum cover! I think your problem mostly lies with distortion. Make sure to adjust your drum levels so that it doesn't clip and distort! (The volume is too high for the computer to handle, causing distortion)

Good luck on the next cover guys! Sounds pretty good so far. I'll try to find some time to contribute in the near future.
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Thanks bro, you are right it sounded noisy and hissy.
I've purposely bump up the EQ effects after recording it, if not the drums would sound "flat" as in it wouldn't blend into the song.

Will re-record it once I found out how to remove the hiss while recording it in a separate track.

Guys, the BPM is 83.

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post Mar 6 2012, 04:34 PM

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Guys, I wanna suggest this arrangement for the song.

BPM: 83


The song will start with a bang, not like the original song which starts which 2 bar measures of acoustic guitar. I suggest we do extra 4 bars of instrumental (all instruments) on top of the original song.

1. Intro(all) -4 bars
2. Verse 1 - acoustic
3. And I remember...[drum beats enter here]
4. Chorus...[all]
5. Verse 2..[all]
6. For the second 'All those crazy things'..[note to drummer, make the bass drum in quarter notes, the snare rolls in 16th notes in ascending volume]
7. Chorus
8. Bridge 1 - This is a violin solo
9. Bridge 2 - This is guitar riff
10. Chorus x 2.
11. End

This post has been edited by killerkamote7: Mar 6 2012, 04:36 PM
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post Mar 6 2012, 04:58 PM

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QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 5 2012, 11:55 PM)
yup. in the comfort of our room without annoying the neigbours  smile.gif
Thanks bro, you are right it sounded noisy and hissy.
I've purposely bump up the EQ effects after recording it, if not the drums would sound "flat" as in it wouldn't blend into the song.

Will re-record it once I found out how to remove the hiss while recording it in a separate track.

Guys, the BPM is 83.
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Isit me or there are 8th notes crashes when chorus? Or was it open hi-hats...sounds so similar laugh.gif (On your cover)

This post has been edited by 5p3ak: Mar 6 2012, 05:01 PM
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post Mar 7 2012, 07:02 PM

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QUOTE(killerkamote7 @ Mar 6 2012, 04:34 PM)
Guys, I wanna suggest this arrangement for the song.

BPM: 83
The song will start with a bang, not like the original song which starts which 2 bar measures of acoustic guitar. I suggest we do extra 4 bars of instrumental (all instruments) on top of the original song.

1. Intro(all) -4 bars
2. Verse 1 - acoustic
3. And I remember...[drum beats enter here]
4. Chorus...[all]
5. Verse 2..[all]
6. For the second 'All those crazy things'..[note to drummer, make the bass drum in quarter notes, the snare rolls in 16th notes in ascending volume]
7. Chorus
8. Bridge 1 - This is a violin solo
9. Bridge 2 - This is guitar riff
10. Chorus x 2.
11. End
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hm...how about the key ar...? have others vocal suggest any key ?
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post Mar 8 2012, 12:22 AM

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QUOTE(killerkamote7 @ Mar 6 2012, 04:34 PM)
Guys, I wanna suggest this arrangement for the song.

BPM: 83
The song will start with a bang, not like the original song which starts which 2 bar measures of acoustic guitar. I suggest we do extra 4 bars of instrumental (all instruments) on top of the original song.

1. Intro(all) -4 bars
2. Verse 1 - acoustic
3. And I remember...[drum beats enter here]
4. Chorus...[all]
5. Verse 2..[all]
6. For the second 'All those crazy things'..[note to drummer, make the bass drum in quarter notes, the snare rolls in 16th notes in ascending volume]
7. Chorus
8. Bridge 1 - This is a violin solo
9. Bridge 2 - This is guitar riff
10. Chorus x 2.
11. End
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I do agree most of it,

For item:
1: doable, example intro something like paramore's - For A Pessmist I'm Pretty Optimistic.
2 - 5: agreed.
6: doable, i'll see what i can do to blend in.
7. is it all?
8 - 9: agreed. drum beat remain.
10: Chorus 1: All
10: Chorus 2: Maybe some guitar riff according to the drums beat
11: ok



QUOTE(5p3ak @ Mar 6 2012, 04:58 PM)
Isit me or there are 8th notes crashes when chorus? Or was it open hi-hats...sounds so similar  laugh.gif  (On your cover)
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Yup, it was crashes + floor tom + china cymbal.
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post Mar 8 2012, 06:46 AM

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Your Electric drums sure High end... tongue.gif
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post Mar 8 2012, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 8 2012, 12:22 AM)
I do agree most of it,

For item:
1: doable, example intro something like paramore's - For A Pessmist I'm Pretty Optimistic.
2 - 5: agreed.
6: doable, i'll see what i can do to blend in.
7. is it all?
8 - 9: agreed. drum beat remain.
10: Chorus 1: All
10: Chorus 2: Maybe some guitar riff according to the drums beat
11: ok

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1. Yes, something like that. Just improvise accordingly, you may do different drum beat style (against drum beats in the verses) on this part. However, since we started with this style, the last chorus (#11) should have the same pattern as this.

For the last 2 chorus, this is the most important part, the climax. Am sure Deadfrog will enjoy soloing on this part, and I will only back him up (read as: Im not as good as him tongue.gif ).

I will try to contact Little Ice for his solo.


As for the key of the song, I'll leave it to you genyou90 since you will sing this part right? Just try to practice in the key that you're comfortable with and then let us know.
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Ok wait sorry i've been MIA for a while. are we on a new project? do you guys still want me in? hahaha
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post Mar 12 2012, 01:58 AM

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hey guys,

here is the original + 1st draft-drum track
http://www.mediafire.com/?xr043ede4mh1nu0
open the Ableton live set file.

not really perfect, few mistakes because was in a hurry to record.
still haven't record the 4 measures intro. left a blank there.
Please experiment it with your own ideas to fill in some grooves.

and here is the MP3 drum-only track with added EQ from Adobe Audition.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dcyg1omwmlnbfan



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post Mar 12 2012, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 12 2012, 01:58 AM)
hey guys,

here is the original + 1st draft-drum track
http://www.mediafire.com/?xr043ede4mh1nu0
open the Ableton live set file.

not really perfect, few mistakes because was in a hurry to record.
still haven't record the 4 measures intro. left a blank there.
Please experiment it with your own ideas to fill in some grooves.

and here is the MP3 drum-only track with added EQ from Adobe Audition.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dcyg1omwmlnbfan
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ok, i'll see what i can come up with this weekend for some guitar riffs.

ah. crap, my ableton is 8.0.4. nvm... i'll work it out anyway. err.. can you show a screen shot of where you place your track alongside Ms Lavigne's?

This post has been edited by deadfrog: Mar 12 2012, 10:53 AM
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post Mar 12 2012, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(nabzblitz @ Mar 11 2012, 02:26 AM)
Ok wait sorry i've been MIA for a while. are we on a new project? do you guys still want me in? hahaha
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Hey nabz, I wasn't able to contact you lately. Yes you are still part of the group. If its alright with you, let's give the vocal part to genyou90 for this cover as he was keen on joining. We can do a separate cover (I'm thinking Foster the People) but that would be later. Thanks.

QUOTE(rathead @ Mar 12 2012, 01:58 AM)
hey guys,

here is the original + 1st draft-drum track
http://www.mediafire.com/?xr043ede4mh1nu0
open the Ableton live set file.

not really perfect, few mistakes because was in a hurry to record.
still haven't record the 4 measures intro. left a blank there.
Please experiment it with your own ideas to fill in some grooves.

and here is the MP3 drum-only track with added EQ from Adobe Audition.
http://www.mediafire.com/?dcyg1omwmlnbfan
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Btw, this is a rock cover, I'm quite OK with these drum riffs but I think we need a more aggressive drum playing like this:


And oh, Little Ice can't make it this round so yeah we have to revise the arrangement. Open for discussion.

P.S. I was out of town last weekend, just got back from holidays.

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