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GrumpyNooby
post Oct 12 2020, 04:28 PM

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PRS Campaign 2020: Receive RM40 Touch 'n Go eWallet Reload PIN

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Terms and Conditions:
1. Campaign period: 12 October 2020 till 11 December 2020.
2. Participating PRS Providers for this campaign include Affin Hwang Asset Management Berhad, Principal Asset Management Berhad, Kenanga Investors Berhad, RHB Asset Management Sdn Bhd and Manulife Investment Management Berhad.
3. New or existing PRS investors who invest a minimum of RM3,000 in ONE PRS Fund from any of the 5 participating PRS Providers in a SINGLE transaction during the promotion period are eligible for One (1) RM40 worth of Touch ‘n Go eWallet Reload Pin.
4. The investment amount of RM3,000 can include PPA account opening fee of RM10 for new PRS investors, or PPA annual fee of RM8 for existing PRS investors.
5. All cash payments and completed forms must reach us by 11am, 11 December 2020.
6. Purchase orders together with cash payments and completed forms received after 11am, 11 December 2020 will be voided.
7. This promotion does not apply to transactions involving Intra Switch Buy and Inter Switch Buy.
8. Each person is only entitled to One (1) RM40 worth of Touch ‘n Go eWallet Reload Pin.
9. FSMOne will have the final decision and reserves the right to substitute a prize which it reasonably determines as being of equal value. Any further correspondence will not be entertained.

Collection: The Touch ‘n Go eWallet Reload Pin will be emailed to you latest by January 2021. Please refer to the terms and conditions of the Touch ‘n Go eWallet Reload Pin.

Campaign link: https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/art...llet-Reload-PIN
GrumpyNooby
post Oct 12 2020, 05:47 PM

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QUOTE(!@#$%^ @ Oct 12 2020, 05:46 PM)
ah, at last. now which fund should i go for? i already have:

1. Affin Hwang PRS Moderate Fund
2. AmPRS - Asia Pacific REITs - Class D
3. Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C
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Ask your CIS for professional financial planning advices.

Or follow ironman16 strategy to avoid RM 8 PPA fee.
GrumpyNooby
post Oct 12 2020, 06:40 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Oct 12 2020, 06:32 PM)
If u top up ur existing prs fund, u have to pay rm8 foe each of ur fund houae, eg, top up prs fund house A n B this year, so u have to pay rm8 x 2.
Thats why i try to find new prs fund each year to avoid this rm8. Seen like next year no choice oledi
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I'm just aware that they're deducting and managing this annual fee at PRS provider level instead of PPA level.

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post Oct 12 2020, 07:09 PM

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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Oct 12 2020, 07:07 PM)
Agreed that FSM had not much selection for PRS.

Kenanga one PRS fund is invested in Malaysia
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Which good PRS fund investing in Malaysia from other platform?
Can intro a bit?
GrumpyNooby
post Oct 12 2020, 08:16 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Oct 12 2020, 08:14 PM)
Ya, if u top up again
Let said last year i have affin prs moderate, i free for the rm8 last year.
If this year i top again same prs (affin prs moderate), so i have to pay rm8 for this year. This rm8 is pay to prs fund house(affin), not ppa
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I thought PPA is the one who charges this RM 8 annual fee.
PRS provider is just assisting PPA to collect the fee.
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post Oct 12 2020, 08:18 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Oct 12 2020, 08:17 PM)
Ya ka,  may b i wrong, i go Google.
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https://www.ppa.my/joining-prs/other-important-information/
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post Oct 12 2020, 08:41 PM

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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Oct 12 2020, 08:38 PM)
If top up 3k PRS, the rm8 annual fee is just 0.3%.. isn’t the sales charge for monthly DCA higher than this?
I think should choose based on the fund that has good performance record and suits the investor.. Choose wrong fund might loses much more than rm8 per year
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If you buy from FSM and eUT, there's no sales fee at all right?
And the RM 8 administration fee is one-time deal and is charged by PPA not PRS provider.
Please don't confuse new investors.

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post Oct 12 2020, 08:43 PM

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QUOTE(ironman16 @ Oct 12 2020, 08:42 PM)
i choose the good fund that not need to pay rm8, if no choice baru bayar rm8.... biggrin.gif
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I believe this is unforeseeable loophole.
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post Oct 12 2020, 08:45 PM

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QUOTE(CSW1990 @ Oct 12 2020, 08:43 PM)
I mean the sales charge for unit trust, not PRS.
Sorry if make confusion, just want to say that should not simply choose just to save the rm8.
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You're right! I won't simply buy a new PRS fund just to save or avoid the RM 8 fee.
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post Oct 14 2020, 10:21 AM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Oct 14 2020, 10:16 AM)
Hi Guys, just wondering about this PRS.

I've been contributing since year 2017, and every year i top up RM 3k for tax relief. However, does this PRS give interest/dividend on our saving? because from what i see from the statements, the only changes is the NAV of the funds. and no other way to see whether my funds had benefited from the compounding interest.

If there is no interest/dividend from the PRS, therefore if 10 years down the road the NAV remain the same, means my funds didn't grow at all?

I'm total noob at PRS/unit trust so dont bombard me thanks.
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In unit trust, there's no interest nor dividend. It is called income distribution.
Only money market fund is committed to pay out for monthly distribution.
Whether the fund will commit to declare distribution and how frequent will it be declaring, you need to read from the fund prospectus, PHS/PDS and fund factseet.
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post Oct 14 2020, 10:30 AM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Oct 14 2020, 10:24 AM)
Thanks for explanation.

Where can we look at the income distribution? I'm contributing the CIMB Principle Ex Japan Equities (if i didnt called it wrong), and from the annual statements, i only saw the differences in the NAV and cannot find any income distribution. or should i look at other report?
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I believe you're referring to Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity

Prospectus link: https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/adm...usMYCPPRS5C.pdf
Annual report link: https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/adm...tsMYCPPRS5C.pdf
PHS link: https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/adm...ceMYCPPRS5C.pdf
FFS link: https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/adm...etMYCPPRS5C.pdf

From Page 16 of the prospectus:
The fund distribution policy is: The Fund is not expected to pay any distribution.
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post Oct 14 2020, 10:37 AM

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QUOTE(Rinth @ Oct 14 2020, 10:35 AM)
Ok thanks, will read thru when have time.

Basically they're not expecting to pay any distribution from their income. So the RM 3k that i contributed each year is turned to the number of units i buy based on the the NAV.
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Yes.
The fund is expected to gain from NAV (capital) appreciation and it's not income driven fund as its fund investment objective.

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post Oct 15 2020, 09:42 AM

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Distribution announcement for Affin PRS:

Date Fund Name Gross Income Distribution Rate Net Income Distribution Rate Ex Date
14-Oct-20 Affin Hwang PRS Moderate Fund MYR 0.005 per unit MYR 0.005 per unit 21-Oct-20
14-Oct-20 Affin Hwang PRS Growth Fund MYR 0.01 per unit MYR 0.01 per unit 21-Oct-20
14-Oct-20 Affin Hwang PRS Conservative Fund MYR 0.005 per unit MYR 0.005 per unit 21-Oct-20
14-Oct-20 Affin Hwang AIIMAN PRS Shariah Moderate Fund MYR 0.005 per unit MYR 0.005 per unit 21-Oct-20
14-Oct-20 Affin Hwang AIIMAN PRS Shariah Growth Fund MYR 0.005 per unit MYR 0.005 per unit 21-Oct-20

https://www.fundsupermart.com.my/fsmone/fun...on-announcement
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post Oct 18 2020, 05:11 PM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 18 2020, 05:08 PM)
If I am to top up, I will do it via FSM, RM40 touch N go will be given.
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Yes but make sure the amount of top up is min RM 3k.

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post Oct 19 2020, 06:59 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 18 2020, 11:21 PM)
I am just saying don't wait for FSM promo. Best time to buy = when market give discount vs FSM give promo.
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That is provided if you can time the market pretty well.

No right or wrong. PRS funds is for long term.
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post Oct 19 2020, 09:43 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 19 2020, 09:40 AM)
As of now, I see the Manulife's PRS APAC Reit is losing 10% YTD, is this promo good enough?
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Manulife's PRS APAC Reit can be bought from FSM?
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post Oct 19 2020, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 19 2020, 09:47 AM)
Wow, will look into it
I dont see it on FSM, has emailed them about this;
meanwhile, I've seen it on eUT, with 0 sales charge.
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Have been holding Principal PRS Plus Asia Pacific Ex Japan Equity - Class C since 2015.
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post Oct 19 2020, 10:43 AM

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QUOTE(cklimm @ Oct 19 2020, 10:40 AM)
Yes!
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post Oct 19 2020, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(jason9869 @ Oct 19 2020, 12:42 PM)
i apply for i saraan epf already should i apply for prs also?
any difference prs and epf self employed?
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i-Saraan is purely under EPF jurisdiction.
PRS is under PPA & PRS provider jurisdiction.

Both are aiming to enlarge your retirement basket.
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post Oct 19 2020, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Oct 19 2020, 04:57 PM)
Yes. If you already have principal Asia Pacific dynamic income fund (main fund) you don't need to buy that. It's a feeder which feeds into the main fund.

I took that PRS cause that was the best performing PRS fund consecutively for don't know how many donkey years.
I see it as trying to enrich unit trust companies. tongue.gif
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It is because majority of the PRS providers are lazy and don't want to reinvent the wheels.

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