That was from our beloved Motherland right? Malaysia boleh !!

No offence... but ZOMFG !! More Kira???

Next one we'll see CE 75... Gundam Seed Kira !! Kira will be piloting the new Kira Gundam, with loads of bling bling, reflective shields and force fields all over, and he'll take out every unit in the universe without touching a button, without moving his gundam.... He'll just stand in the middle of the universe, blink his eye, and WHAM... every MS in the universe will break their heads and arms... yet no one dies....

Kira Gundam... Behold DA POWWWWAAAAARRRRR!!!

OMG... .... This aint gundam anymore.... It's KIRA....

Well... I get what you mean...

My first full length Gundam series was Gundam W... that was back when I was around 15. I admit, honestly, that the action scenes caught my attention to it, but as I watched on, I fell in love with the story, the philosophy. Suddenly, action did not matter that much at all. Of course, no action wouldn't mean Gundam anymore, but most importantly the story line is the main point of gundam animes.

But GSD is too overboard with action (badly done too) and crappy story, and I am resisting the urge to rant about it once again, even though i've done it umpteen times...

I agree that if nicol was a girl, it'd make things more interesting, considering his intimacy and attachment with Athrun...

This is the joke of the day... no offence, but more reasonable and logical???

Maybe Lacus has corrupted our young minds too....

Erm.... WWE is childish and fake enough to even be considered here:P

A real fight that rocks is one which the characters trash each other, for example chopping each other's limbs off, trading heavy blows which dents armor, using tactics or even the environment to their own advantage... Even CE had some good fights, like the very first appearance of Strike... Or the tag team between the EA druggies which almost pwned Freedom till Justice came to aid. Or even Tallgeese vs Heavyarms at Antartica although clearly Tallgeese won it...

A boring fight is one where a guy stands still in the middle of the sky and pwns everyone without moving... Just use Aimbot 1.0...

Not all... Gundam X didn't have a masked villain. They had two annoying brothers though But they are still less annoying than the ever-shouting Garrod. Witz (spelling? the family-loving airmaster pilot) is much better....

Meanwhile.... something new for Astray??? It screams V2... ZOMFG... CE is so damn ripoff... Take an Eva body and limbs, slap on beam wings, add a gundam looking head and call it an Astray? Somebody please give me a tranquiliser...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/EpS_...48872713140.jpg
http://forums.zeonic-corps.net/uploads/pos...-1149106052.jpg

Well... things are surely getting more and more cheesy with CE.... Yet another Strike with parangs... Astray with big mobile caravan.... Baddie Astray with bunny ears and giant crab claw.... When are they going to show a gundam that looks like the Space Whale in CE??

But I guess the beam wings will grow on me.... hopefully....

GW Despite getting loads of criticism, I still think GW is a good anime. At least it was very serious and stoic, and there wasn't any cheezy comical reliefs.

Trieze is a man of honour, yet the way he surrended his fight to WuFei was absolutely stupid... Jumping onto the enemy's weapon

Zechs is AC's Char... I absolutely loved his character, but I simply don't like the idea of him joining the White Fang. He fought to resurrect his fallen Sanq motherland, he fought the end the war, and yet he got brainwashed like an idiot by the White Fang and decided to follow Char in destroying Earth...

But the Tallgeese vs 30 OZ MSes fight was uberly superb... air, land and sea.... whacked Tallgeese kao kao and broke his mask... And I liked the way they broke his mask. It was a metaphor that he has now officially broken all ties with OZ, and he ain't going to hide his identity anymore... Behold Milliando Peacecraft !!

mean while...
Let's see some OVA for StarGazer... I am still not impressed, although it looked decent... Strike Noir still looks cheezy with his twin pistols... MUAHAHA I AM MAX PAYNE....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLBqvOK3J1U...eed%20stargazer

Trieze

One of the reasons that i didn't really like WZC is the fake wings... feathers? Meh... can't be.... little individual thrusters perhaps... but that'll look to cheezy.... oh well.... everyone loves a bit of fantasy Beam wings FTW... V2 V2

New Delta Astray Site.... no...no.... NO.....

What have you done to my V2??? ZOMFG....

BANDAI can call it whatever they want, but that is surely not an Astray.... It doesn't even have the trademark astray head !! In fact the head looks more like a Dreadnought....

This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Jun 16 2006, 08:45 AM

SEED was decent... although I must say it had it's flaws. Since you mentioned most of it's pros, I'll add some on the cons.

First of all, the action scenes. Yes, in the beginning of the anime, the action scenes were superb. One nooby kid stumbling into an MS, and accidentally whacks a seasoned soldier's GINN... Later manages to chop him into half... Damn Miguel why did you die so soon? As the story moved on, we had a couple of good action scenes as well, like Le Klueze's CGUE vs Mwu's Mobius... And here comes the bad part. RECYCLED SCENES... yes, SEED had loads of recycled scenes... how many times have we seen the trademark Ginn standing on top of Mobius and blasting it to bits? And Aegis's same old transform and shoot? Somehow seeing recycled scenes make the action scenes boring.... ZzzzZZ

Next up... the lack of tactics. Ok, here it doesn't include the early nobbish Kira and Strike. When he was noobish, he actually had to resort to tactics and luck to win battles... The one when he slid under the BuCues and chopped them was superb. Aegis and co were underutilised. They were a team, weren't they? Yet they did not show teamwork to complement each other... Blitz was only used the way it should be at the Artemis Umbrella... And it's stealth mode was never used again... All it did was to stand back and shoot No qualms about Duel.... Yzak's chop chop was nice... At least we see someone who WANTS to fight... Buster's long range sniping at battleships was boring, but that's the only thing it's good at.... And now we have the most underutilised MS.... The Aegis.... packed with the most number of beam sabres, the most powerful cannon among the 5 suits, Athrun did shit with it.... All it ever did was to shoot with it's rifle, and ocassionally take out one of two ships with the Scylla.

I was expecting more with the Aegis, since it's the second main protagonist... Maybe transform more into the cruising mode, suddenly appear behind some enemy suit, grab it and fire the cannon into the cockpit... Or do more chop chop with ALL 4 SABRES.... Oh well... at least it grabbed Strike... I was hoping the cannon would fire.... Damn battery....

More bad points about SEED... The appearance of Lacus... I have no idea why she has so many fans... I've never liked her in the first place. She wasn't interesting at all... The only thing she is was "I am a saint.... I do everything right...." I wanted to see her emotions, her angst, maybe shout in fury when her dad got assasinated... NO NO NO... she did not show emotions at all... Now where's Fllay when you need some emo? Cagalli was more interesting, yet she (together with Athrun) fell for Kira worshipping...

Raw le Klueze was easily the most interesting character... Masked man with a hidden agenda, mysterious with skeletons behind his closet... Superb piloting, yet was not GODlike... most important of all... charming philosophy talk.... Too bad there wasn't more about his history... In fact, there wasn't much about Mwu's as well... I was hoping for more. At least they did explain it in the space lab in a convincing way. Comparatively to GSD's explanation for everything, which is real cheezy... I still cannot fathom how reading two pages of notes can reveal a masterplan which had been flawless till then.

Speaking of which, the anime kinda went downhill once Athrun joined Kira... The appearance of Freedom and Justice was good... One came down from the sky, another came just in time to save Freedom's butt. The battle with the 3 druggies was good, at least they got damaged... Freedom's head got smacked, while Justice's shield actually got melted by Scylla... This is so unlike GSD's perfect victory

Come to think about it, GS is way much better than the GSD, which had some much potential, yet was ruined by episode 20.... If you really want to watch GSD... watch it till the Lohengrin gate... Once the story reaches Orb, and Archangel comes busybody, the whole show becomes Gundam Seed Kira: Strike Freedom....

Besides, SEED's story actually resembles Victory's.... reluctant kid gets drawn into battle, dreads killing other soldiers yet is forced to do so.... Stand up to Victory !! It doesn't have recycled scenes

Meanwhile..... here's something good about GSD... baby Stellar looks cuddly



This post has been edited by StarGhazzer: Jun 20 2006, 10:23 AM

ZOMFG... Even Gundam is exploited in AV....

Maybe can see MS multiply... ugh those sick japanese

The worst has been confirmed... Welcome to the era of Evangelion like Gundams....

The color is so Sword-Impulse.... And check out the Gelgoog looking Red Frame....

Man even the characters look wacky... there's Inuyasha look-alike, and the Garrod Ran haired dude....

My condolences, Astray....
http://www.delta-astray.net/

^ Coz Char wanted to spoof Earth, and Amuro Ray being the original hero of Earth and Char's nemesis had to stop him And in the world of Gundam (except CE) no one is purely good or bad, it just depends on how you think, and which side you're on... If you're a citizen of Zeon you'd think Char is a hero, but if you're an Earthling, he's a megalomaniac who wants to turn your home into ashes...

Meanwhile.. Spy shots of StarGazer... I'm loving it from this angle... The head looks a bit like Destiny, while the body looks great too... Angelic white... Maybe they could have a black one too...

Should be able to seperate into 2 wing like structures... most probably the propulsion unit that sprews large amounts of radioactive substances into the surrounding area... Hence the wings of light....

OMG... the more i look at it... the more i feel .... The head looks like a frog with large cheeks...

http://xs104.xs.to/xs104/06321/1154968631902.jpg

Meh... two weird looking gundams... if not ugly.

Finished Victory roughly a month ago, and I must say I had a tinge of disappointment as I had high hopes for it due to all the raves it got from anime and gundam forums.

The first episode was a bit messy and confusing as that ep was initially meant to be the 4th episode instead. Overall the beginning part of the anime was quite good, with several unexplained parts waiting to be unrevealed later, such as Usso's and Shakti's parents, Zanscare's politics and plans, League Militia's struggles and rebellion. The battles are superbly done with retro animation (1992 what do u expect ), and Victory Type was shown to be a mecha with slightly better abilities, instead of the gods of CE. The introduction of the Shrike team made battles more interesting as with more units, they began to use teamwork and tactics more often.

I like the way the mechas were portrayed as machines of war, instead of super robots which suffer no damage (unless plot calls for it).

Character development is better done compared to GSD, although I must say due to the abundance of characters in GV, not many of them are memorable. Usso is similar to the early Kira, reluctant to fight, unwilling to kill; yet forced into battle to protect his friends. But somehow I do not think that he is an interesting character. And I thought his parents would have some sort of mystery behind them, they only turned out to be normal rebel soldiers who trained their kid to become the best pilot, nothing more. Shakti suffered the same fate as Usso... her relationship with Queen Maria was not properly developed. I wanted to know how did Queen Maria gave birth to her, yet lost her; I wanted to know more about Chronicle Asher and Shakti. There wasn't much as Shakti turned out to be no more than a supporting character, she wasn't even the main love interest.

Speaking of love interest... One badly done character was Katejina. I still cannot understand how she changed her alliance in one episode, and from a strong willed yet gentle woman, she metamorphosised into a bloody thirsty martyr of Maria Amonia. To say that she did it all for Asher was unconvincing as their relationship did not turn out to be that intimate. Even Zechs and Noin showed more concern to each other comparatively.

I enjoyed Odelo, Warren, Elisca, and Martina's characters the most. They represented innocent children drawn into battle against their own will, but yet retained their naiveness as children amidst the battle field. Damn Tomino, why kill Odelo? In fact I like Odelo more than the wishy-washy Usso. And also Suzy... I dunno why, but I like seeing her around... Kinda lightens up the gloomy atmosphere of the setting.

The Shrike team and the other characters were mainly present for Tomino to kill, and give Usso some sexual exposure by sqeezing his head in their busts Most of their deaths were simple, but not touching. They just died without any reason... well, that's the cruelty of war. People die without reason. But the death of Oliver was very badly done. Damn Oliver, you broke Marvet's heart.. there's something called the ejection seat!

As the story progresses, it became less interesting. There were battles which made no sense, for example the underwater city. That wasn't necessary as there wasn't new characters introduced, no effect to the story line, nor was there any development of characters in it. It was just a filler ep to show off the dragon like mecha. And the ending was simply too abrupt and to an extent, absurd. Angel Halo's pieces flying up to space on its own? No logic there... And the story was left hanging. What happened to Zanscare after Maria was killed? What happened to League Militia's rebellion after the death of their leaders? What happened to the Federation?

Overall, I think GV is a decent anime, but it suffers the same problem with most animes; that is a great beginning but sloppy ending. Besides, it lacks a main antagonist which should be the protagonist's rival throughout the story. Asher should be the one, but he wasn't that great as a protagonist. He was more like any other solider of Zanscare, and died in a way too simple.

^ yeah... read about that too... Some other forum mentioned that the Victory DVD box had a message from Tomino asking fans not to watch this, albeit printed in small print. Not sure whether it's true or not, anyone has the DVD?

I dont think the budget of movie or anime is the main factor here. GSD had a budget greater than GS, and was the animation more detailed than GS? Nope. Was it even more detailed than Victory, a definite no-no too.

It all depends on the production team, whether they want to make a good job or not.

Haven't watched f91, but it's another one that got great reviews... But the f90 manga was quite mediocre... nothing special...

eh? duel pilot die so fast die adi? at least this time there's not plot armor

SG looks bling bling with the gold "bloodflow", interesting; but i'm more into mechanical and military looking like mecha now, like those in the UC... so no more bling bling for me aha... But I still cannot stand the doughnut at the back...

^ each stargazer ep is 15 minutes long...

looking at the situation now, it seems that the 3 part 15 minutes series of SG is kinda inadequate, and hopefully they release some manga, or something which is more complete...

otherwise it'd be just another advertisement for gunpla

Of course... animes are advertisements for models, but if it's just a short clip with no story, then it's not even an anime Think opening scenes from PS gundam games which are often beautifully done, but with no story at all