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post Oct 22 2005, 11:17 AM

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QUOTE(wufei @ Oct 18 2005, 10:35 PM)
Sorry to all gundam fans........May I know the title of the song and singer who sang it when Kusanagi flew to space in Gundam Seed.??? Thank you.
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erm, if u mean the one in SEED where cagalli is crying after her dad insisted on going down with orb, i think that's See-saw's Wheel of Destiny.... i love that song

QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Oct 20 2005, 04:54 PM)
Something random I noticed in Destiny I guess....

SEED had alot of suit names symbolising something about who ever uses it.... but in Destiny it's like taken to a new level. Especially Shinn.

His first Gundam is Impulse. And until he gets Destiny that's like exactly how Shinn is. Impulsive. Doesn't listen to anyone. Goes off and does his own thing. And does some pretty damn impressive things (take down like 2/3rd of orb's navy, take down a pair of druggies, takes down the "invincible Freedom" and such).

Then he gets Destiny. He's now restricted and confined and can no longer be as free and impulsive as he used to be. I doubt anyone will agree or will just say it's bad writing but Shinn doesn't do anything remotely amazing after getting Destiny....

Yeah.... maybe it's like showing what the destiny plan would have done? Force people into mold and prevent them from actually reaching their full potential?

And its not just the Gundams' names. The Gundams also have faces that reflects something about their pilots.

Impulse's face looks like its grinning/smirking, somewhat representant of Shinn's attitude at the beginning of the series.

Destiny's face looks like its crying, representant of those he lost in the past, and the flat mouth-section is representant of his will to not let it happen again.

Strike Freedom's face looks indifferent, like most of us when we're watching Kira cut up another ZAKU... In the same old manner he's always cut them up.
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notworthy.gif i feel the same way as u do... but to add on destiny, i feel that shinn is rather not restricted by his destiny, but due to something else. Here's my opinion:

Destiny's face looks like it's crying becoz it has the two red streaks, and it kinda represents Shinn's character at the time he got Destiny. He lost his family, and had just lost the one that mattered most to him, Stellar. He maybe angst, but deep inside he's crying, only that he masks his feelings with the sense of responsibility that he has to stop all wars and prevent the loss of anyone that is close to him.

And u have dullindal, and also rey whose pep talk moved shinn so much that he believed that dullindal's plans are the destiny of mankind, coordinators and naturals. It is also his destiny that he has the power and responsibililty to ensure that the "destiny" has to carried out, no matter what cost. And since he believed in his own destiny, and the destiny of mankind, his ability increased after he got Destiny gundam... His almagam of rage, ability, impulsiveness, and most importantly his belief in his destiny allowed him to chop up Destroys like no one's business. (Of course, this might have been due to the writers' incompetence in planning battles)

Nevertheless, he did get pwned couple of times in Destiny (probably due to the writers' intention of GODifying kira and athrun). I'd like to think if it as his conscience which prevented him from fully utilising Destiny's abilities. Although he feels that Athrun is a ZAFT traitor, he still has some respect for him, this is shown when he gets confused during Athrun's talk with him everytime they meet in battle. He needs Rey's mindwash to clear his doubts, and regain his abilities.

About the part of gundam faces, I feel that SF's and IJ's face doesnt represent much about their pilots' character, since they are similar to their predecessor MSes. Not their fault though, after all kira and athrun returned to their SEED characters at the end of GSD, instead of having some character change. Legend on the other hand is a badly designed MS. It doesnt have the presence of Providence, nor it has that kind of badass look to it. Providence's face is a replica of Rau le Klueze, note that his mask is around the MS' face. and it's wide and large, just like those mafia boss. Legend looks like Providence's younger brother who hasnt achieved the badass level yet. Maybe it's due to the vertical, straight antenae behind the v-fin? hm...

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QUOTE(sousuke @ Nov 5 2005, 06:53 PM)
yes no more CE series but more CE gunpla  biggrin.gif
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doh.gif they still havent come out with more 1/100 GSD series gundam, and chances are there will be none...

pls... no more CE. If still want CE timeline, make it like 100 years after the current one, so no more Kira, Athrun, Lacus, Shinn... sien liao

some Turn-A perhaps?
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post Nov 7 2005, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Nov 7 2005, 08:32 AM)
Third CE main character and Gundam released...

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Brave Gundam...and a shota pilot...
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sure about this? man, same artist i suppose, hence we'll get the same characters with same faces but only different colored hair to seperate them. doh.gif

the new gundam looks like nu gundam... pls... dont let every one have dragoons / funnels again !! and is the name BRAVE GUNDAM? OMG...
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post Jan 14 2006, 12:08 PM

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QUOTE(Kclee2002 @ Jan 13 2006, 10:51 AM)
X is pretty good actually, only sad that they dropped the production and it ended in a rush.
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There are quite a number of mixed reviews about Gundam X, some loved it, some hated it...

I'm in between...

On one hand i really like the design of the mechas in Gundam X... The X was a cool design with a large badass cannon on it's back; the DX was godly with the twin sats. Only the X-divider was too weird... beam harmonica? WTF... beam violin and beam guitars duh...

The baddies were well, real badass looking too... one arachnoid, Epyon-like monster (Virsago) and a crab like maniac (Ashtaron). And they put up a good fight with the DX and X, unlike CE's baddies who are simply wusses.

The story concept of X was good too... post apocalyptic world with no law and order. And the conflicts starts with the forceful establishment of the New Federation. But i don't like how the story was planned. The first few eps was alright, then it went downhill and became a weekly "power ranger" show, where every episode you have a big baddie, and it is defeated in that particular ep without any more influence in the story...

The story only started to pick up after the establishment of New Federation, which is around ep 30... and before the real large conflict can reach it's climax, the story ended abruptedly at ep 39... a rushed work.

I havent seen Turn-A, but apart from the weird mecha designs it has really great reviews. Will watch it in the future... hopefully. I plan to watch Victory maybe when i finish my exams, for the sake of watching beam wings once again.... damn CE screwed the potential of Destiny's beam wings...

Apart from UC stories, I'd recommend Gundam W... before i get flammed, here's why:
The philosophy of GW is interesting and thought-provoking. On one hand you have a pacificist who aspires to end wars with peace, the other you have a maniac who hates wars, but wishes to end wars with a great war. And you have the leader who is so charismatic, aritistic, and emotional about wars, that his troops are willing to die for him. Finally the 5 boys who fought for their ideals, but eventually got betrayed by the ones they were fighting for... Twisty relationships, nice...

The battles were decent too, apart from the ownage of Wing and WZ... The gundams get owned by grunts, even TallGeese was pretty screwed after the 1 vs 30 battle... Unlike the godly plot controlled battles of CE, GW actually gives grunts more showtime before letting them die.

However you need to bear with the Wing and WZ, and Epyon too, since they are too overpowered when facing grunts. tongue.gif
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post Jan 16 2006, 10:29 AM

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QUOTE(Snake'eyes @ Jan 14 2006, 02:33 PM)
all I can say is SPOILERS for X and W haha
W doesnt have much humour in it that's why its boring but its realistic then other gundams I watch....though my favourite for Gundam Wing is Endless ~Waltz~ Movie thumbup.gif  actually that's my first movie encounter with Gundam hehe

as For X...it started ok till it became worst...XX is just way too powerfull lolz
I still...waiting for Bandai to come out another After War series....hopefully can be much much better then X...
I think gundam series should have minimal, if not none at all, contents of humour. The inclusion of the joker Yuna in GSD was a terrible move. I'd rather he turn out to be a master political manipulator as when he first appeared, rather than become a clown.

DX is powerful only when it uses its twin Satellites, without it it'll still be thrashed when outnumbered, or gets pwned by more superior pilots. THere are a couple of times when Garrod was struggling to win, only to survive by tricks, or some support from somebody else.

When it comes to god-ly... no one beats Freedom, and later Strike Freedom, and the god of all gods... the Akatsuki... muahaha... not even a postiron can stop it, yet destiny's puny beam boomerang chopped its arms off shakehead.gif

QUOTE(infestedysy @ Jan 14 2006, 05:14 PM)
random grunt in Wing: "it's a Gundam!"

*blows up*
Same case senario with CE...

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post Jan 25 2006, 10:14 AM

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freaking cool.... yet another cutscene from PS2 games... man i am so going to buy V2 assault buster,... if only i had the money
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mRfwgEzy74w

btw, scream YIKES for yet another copycat of gelgoog doh.gif
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post Jan 27 2006, 11:30 AM

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QUOTE(Balthasar @ Jan 27 2006, 10:32 AM)
Dudes...where to find music from Gundam series like Seed's Evoke and whats the other one again ??? Shin something something  sweat.gif  Closing theme...
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www.gendou.com... join the forum, go to the anime music download section.

meanwhile... enjoy the legend of gundam.... somehow i feel that the older series are much more exciting than CE... no wonder CE got so much bashing
http://youtube.com/w/Legend-of--Gundam?v=t...Q&search=gundam
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post Feb 26 2006, 09:54 AM

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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Feb 26 2006, 12:18 AM)
Something new for GS Destiny: Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Destiny Special Edition: The Broken World.

The GS Destiny Special Editions seems to be a 4-part thing that's being currently worked on by "Flashback 'Em All" Fukuda and his fellow partners, will be released along with an OVA tentatively titled 'Gundam SEED C.E. 73 Stargazer'. Not sure if it's set after the Final Plus episode (or often refered to as episode 50.9, jkjk)
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Fukuda.... again.... after they've killed GSD and now they want to tarnish it more by releasing pointless OVA? What more to say after that? more flashbacks i suppose, or just shifting everyone in the CE universe under the pedestral of Lacus and Kira and Athrun who rule 'em all and pwn 'em all... shakehead.gif

Let it rest in peace... throw it into the lake like Stellar... no more CE please... If they really want to release some gundam, do a movie of some older series, like the new Zeta movies.
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post Feb 28 2006, 01:29 PM

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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Feb 26 2006, 10:23 AM)
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That's quite true. Bandai should at least try to make more Universal century-based series/movies (since the UC timeline is the one that least stinks..) and not try to continue milking their phailed cash cow...  shakehead.gif . I think it'll be really nice if some of UC-based sidestories gets adapted into anime, e.g. Blue Destiny, Gundam Sentinel, Hathaway's Flash, F90, Silhouette Formula 91, Ecole Du Ciel, etc... these are good UC Gundam stories, IMHO.

But of course, Bandai puts more importance on the ability to churn out their GunPla than a decently-made storyline... profit-based production, see....  whistling.gif
astray would be a better anime for CE as it had great MS and great characters... if only the astray universe was more realistic.... WTF outframe was stupid with the camper back, while testament was stupid too... send virus with bunny ear antennae? omg....

but blue frame and red frame were good in their respective parts... and gold frame was another cool unit, but with weirdo weapons... suck energy? too fantasy dude... better to let gold frame to shoot EMPs to disable enemies instead of just "suking" their energy...

QUOTE(<* Star Dust *> @ Feb 27 2006, 10:07 AM)
now these days fukuda really trying to make up for everything what he believes is lacking in GSD series...

but at least the new ending for the GSD is at least much better than the last episode itself...
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erm... have Shinn, one of the characters with the most potential in CE (although messed up due to the incompetence of fukuda and the writers and fanboys) join the lacus empire? is that a good ending? no way...

it'd be better to have shinn go berserk and kill everyone in the lacus camp....

nah... nuff of CE... let in die in peace.
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post Mar 1 2006, 01:17 AM

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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Feb 28 2006, 02:58 PM)
shocking.gif Was that what those 'ears' are for? Damn... the truth is, from a mecha designer point of view, I really like the designs of the Astray series; they're at least original and unique, compared to the TV series' where it seems obvious Kunio Okawara recycled some of the MS designs from his previous works (e.g. Freedom looks a bit too much like the Double X, which is less flashy and actually much more functional...). The rest are quite redundant-looking.
astrays are real good designs indeed... i really like their arms and legs which show real much detail... something like an endoskeleton with outer frames... unlike the usual smooth boxy lumbs of other gundams.

i never really liked the design of the freedom, although i must say the wings look real nice. The fat side skirt was bulky, while the two fat and square plasma beams on top were cheezy.... prefer justice. But too bad we didnt see much of justice's backpack action in the anime... always become sidekick doh.gif

QUOTE(Alone @ Feb 28 2006, 10:56 PM)
i read in Otakuzone, 1 guy said another Gundam series will be coming out soon, about a girl in a military school... there won't be any space wars and hard politics this series... and one of the character's name is Shinn.... again... though not the main~
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saw that too... the artwork looks nice, and the girls are drawn cutely wub.gif dunno about the story too.... and be assured it's not CE shinn.... tongue.gif even if it is, at least it's a character with attitude, it's more dynamic than boring placid lacus and kira.... whistling.gif

give us more masked men with philosophy.... zechs, char, raww... where are u guys?

btw, does anyone still has the astray blue frame promo clip? i only got the red frame.....

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QUOTE(Snake'eyes @ Mar 1 2006, 02:27 AM)
I have the blue Frame but the sound... shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Mar 1 2006, 02:30 AM)
Can anyone show the images (or at least, the link) of the Otakuzone article? I would like to see it too, thanks.

BTW, No one has made masked women characters for Gundam yet, right? It'll really be a fresh take...  smile.gif

I too got that Astray Blue Frame promo clip, it's about 77mB, fansubbed by Anime-Kingdom. The thing is, the video and audio are a bit rough, but this is the only copy I'm able to find so far...  sweat.gif
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anyone still has the torrent? tongue.gif or if it's not too much trouble maybe can upload it somewhere tongue.gif thanks for the reply anyway...

speaking of masked women....... hm......... lacus could be one. Who knows what secret she has beneath her closet? If not how come she has the resources to built an army, or gain knowledge about what people is going to do? and she has the most powerful power of plot (and fanbase) behind her....... muahaha.. give her a Char style samurai hat to go with her ninja outfit.
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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Mar 1 2006, 03:57 PM)
wink.gif Well, it'll be interesting if we can consider Lacus' serene optimism as an exterior 'mask' to her inner feelings? Is she really not much different than Meer, who has her own personal wants and selfish wishes? Or is she more akin to V Gundam's Queen Maria Pia, a saintly figure who rules over a ruthlessly powerful and misguided army?

If this is the secret truth, then Gundam SEED will be one step closer of being worthy of the Gundam name (real character dramas, intrigue, conflict of relations, and not just mecha battles; Gundam is fundamentally a character-driven story).
On a side note, FYI StarGhazzer, I found one still-active torrent so far:
Gundam SEED Astray Red & Blue - --> http://www.mininova.org/tor/78348 <--
Hope that helps.
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thanks a lot for the torrent.......

i dont think they'd be ruthless ( and daring) enough to make Lacus and evil empress who acts decent and innocent just to hide her secret motive... it'd cause uproar and rage in the fanbase...

but SEED is one anime which deals with a lot of emotions... that is until the revelation of freedom and justice. Somehow the appearance of god-like mechas spoils all the drama. Just like GSD doh.gif doh.gif hell they didnt even utilise gaia, chaos well... only abyss got some kills underwater... but still the trio MSes were underused....

dont get me started on Saviour and Destiny, and IJ too.... doh.gif doh.gif doh.gif
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QUOTE(Fodder Soldier @ Mar 8 2006, 12:23 AM)
Gundam News! courtesy of Gunota HeadLines:
... cool.gif
Stargazer's not directed by Fukuda... and no more Hisashi Hirai character designs, so this 'side story' should be good...  smile.gif . Might turn out to be similar to the Astray promo videos, in terms of visualizations.

As for GSD Special Edition, well...  whistling.gif
P.S.: I though it was "GSX-401FW StarGhazzer Project"...  laugh.gif
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shocking.gif blink.gif tongue.gif laugh.gif

but will this be the one to save the CE universe? Let's see:

1. No fukuda... this means the possibility of crappy recycled scenes and poorly coordinated battles (godlike spam, one man chop all) would be less likely. And maybe this time the episodes would be balanced out, plus the better elaboration and development of characters..

2. Possible absence of Kira +Lacus gang... Meaning there'll be less fan-worship and "ZOMG, Kira pwns all!!" Not forgeting the uncanny and irritating ability of Lacus to make every character whose ideals are not same as hers turn out to be the antagonists.

3. Finally some focus on the EA, where they got SO pwned by Shinn... Shinn alone... one man army... just like Kira...

4. It might be more logical, and possibly more technical and military-like... I hope they really explain the idea behind Stargazer project... Be it a new MS, a new political wing, a plan to rule em all (like Destiny), or just some technological advancement like the Enhanced Naturals... At least put in some clear cut, logical explanation... and show its effects to the world...

However I am a bit sceptical about the OVA, due to:
1. 3 episodes??? each 15 minutes??? How is it possible to finish one story in such a short time? Maybe it's just a promo clip for some manga... or better still.... a teaser for the 3rd CE series.

2. Strike again?? BORING... I mean, the EA has stolen 3 mechas from the ZAFT, they should have new technology, instead of using back le old Strike... and the design is kinda hideous... hope it's just the crappy artwork, and not the actual animation. And the affix NOIR is girlish...... not being racist here, but the reminds me of the sweet Noin of GW

3. Since it's CE... there is still a possibility of straying back to crappy destiny storyline. I'm worried that if they start mentioning about the old cast, it might just shift its focus back to them... this is what happened to GSD when Kira appeared.

http://img342.imageshack.us/img342/8811/iup1732002ed.jpg

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please use either thumbnail or link for such large pic bcoz it is screwing up the forum view. smile.gif
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Mar 8 2006, 09:58 AM)
Strike is one of the best designs I've ever seen in moden Gundam designing. I wouldn't mind seeing another variant of it. Besides, from the pictar it looks nothing like Strike at all, apart from the upper torso design.

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Strike's design is good in a sense that it is basic and simple (like the other 4 GAT-X)... but yet another variant will be boring... but check this out, it's more Akatsuki than Strike, and it's true that Akat is based on strike, but the Strike Noir is definitely more Akatsuki... the head and the sharp shoulder blades, and most important of all the winged backpack is just like cagalli's version.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e307/brman/stargazer.jpg

It seems that the designers love to fix gigantic backpacks onto CE gundams... the testament was horrible... and now strike noir has two gigantic wings with tons of weapons on it... two plasma possibly, and funny twisting turrets, which may turn out to be beam sabres unsure.gif but what's with the pistols??? maybe it'll attack in a Chow Yun Fatt jumpshoot style... tongue.gif

It'd be great if CE designs went back to the basic ones like the original GAT-Xs... or better still UC designs... big military looking bazookas instead of having rifles which look as if they come from some super robot war cartoon... UC designs are clean and simple thumbup.gif
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ Mar 9 2006, 09:26 AM)

Still I'd imagine going beam weaponry being the logical route to go. It's just a waste to use up bazillion tonnes of lead/metal to mass produce bullet/bazooka shells, when beam rifles are just as effective in taking out a target (though admittedly, if loads of money were spent on the animation, machine guns are much more cooler, as seen by how the Zaku units use them in MS Igloo 2)
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for the sake of animation, cancel phase shift and beam shields, bring back le old chaingun thumbup.gif I'd love to see MSes taking bullet hits, slowly destroying their armor piece by piece, instead of one-shot-kill-all ala Beam rifle...

and also create more team based tactical fights... like Yzak-Dearka-Athrun combo... we have too much of 1v1 in Destiny alone already... More grunt loving perhaps... show grunts pwning gundams like UC Zakus instead of useless Windams
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post May 9 2006, 10:37 AM

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^ to be exact, at the end of Seed, Kira = 100% pure good guy, as in GSD... tongue.gif

But the older gundam series were great in the sense that everyone was portrayed in a grey area. No one was indeed totally good or evil. It all depends on the perspective of the character.

Even in a cheesy bishounen Gundam W, the 5 boys who seemed like the protagonists appeared to have lost their focus to fight, and Treize made OZ look saintly. Even Zechs (the homologue Char) seemed to have good intentions for the benefit of humanity when he tried to destroy Earth.

Let's not go into teen idol drama GSD shall we? tongue.gif
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QUOTE(infested_ysy @ May 9 2006, 11:12 AM)
But at least the end of SEED was done nicely (although Kira should've died in the end, instead of having infinite plot armor preventing him from dying from a nuke explosion), unless the "PERFECT VIKTOLY!!!" thing in GSD's ending.
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Kira is perpetually protected by the power of plot after he achieved godly status.

Fans complained about GSD ( and the end of GS) regarding Kira's immortality because he was simply boring. As amuro ray's CE homologue, it is certain that he should be the best pilot, but he should at least fight with more sweat.

aimbot.... press button... zap boom bang, and everyone gets their arms blown off... all in a matter of 2 seconds dry.gif

the end of seed seemed reasonably nice initially, but now come to think about it, it's kinda lame anyway. They should put Justice to better use, damn Justice will always be THE sidekick and gets underused every time.

At least it's much better than GSD... like you mentioned "PERFECT VIKTOLY!!!" .... Reminds me of Advent Children movie where the big boss Sephroth who owns Cloud throughout the fight gets pwned in one move.... doh.gif Lamey....
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QUOTE(redeye84 @ May 12 2006, 04:45 AM)
Fan complain lol... Only non Japanese fans are complainning back in japan the feedback is totally opposite as the series rating was very high.

And why u ask cos Kira and Athrun kick ass that what Japs fans want and that what Fukuda gives.

Cos Gundam Seed is a toy/mercandise advertistment and not an anime
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GSD didn't have a high rating, even though there are hell lot of fans crying KIRAAAAAAAA......... and LAAAACCCCCUUUUUUUUSSSSSSSSSSSs........... doh.gif In fact, the other animes pwned GSD in terms of rating.

I agree that GSD is an advertisement, not an anime, let alone a war epic like the previous gundams...
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QUOTE(tsubasa89 @ May 12 2006, 11:42 PM)
yet...theres still 'Stargazer'...
dunno izzit good or bad that another SEED series coming out since SEED Destiny
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I am sceptical, and keeping my fingers crossed. From current signs, it seems like yet another advertisement... Hell the model's already ready to be sold when the anime isn't even out yet doh.gif

Now I never recommend people to watch GSD... Even if they insist, I onlt recommend till ep 20... Once Orb, Kira and Lacus gets into the show it becomes all downhill.

OMG... BANDAI... let CE die in peace... Remake Victory Gundam... Remake Zeta... Make a full length F91 !!

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