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encikapas
post Jun 18 2012, 04:43 PM

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QUOTE(tcb2010 @ Jun 18 2012, 09:16 AM)
Bro, encikapas,

Which branch and when u bought it...RM240 is fabulous deal !!

I bought mine at RM299 at the Bukit Ubi branch about two months ago... Thought of getting another with old firmware if still available....
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Kuantan branch..depan Megamall Kuantan.... bounght 2 days ago..last unit form Shen Heng...i already tanya itu Sony Megamall dan East Coast Mall semuanya harga RM699.. shakehead.gif

btw..which firmware paling best? noob here.. icon_question.gif

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post Jun 18 2012, 10:27 PM

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QUOTE(skeelee @ Jun 18 2012, 09:29 PM)
Unknowingly, I updated my S380 to firmware M06.R.0600 when prompted, before reading about CINAVIA here. Luckily, all my ahem discs still can play without any problem.
Anyway, exactly what types of discs will be blocked by CINAVIA?
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NOT all titles contains cinavia. But more or perhaps all future titles will have cinavia embedded.

If the disc is not the original BD-ROM, playback will be interrupted on your standalone player. A BD-R or BD-RE will be blocked even if AACS is enabled on the disc.

Here's some of the titles

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Mikeyz
post Jun 18 2012, 10:57 PM

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Looks like Sony Pictures had implant the Cinavia to every BD titles they own.Sure other production companies wil follow up soon

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Liquid Snake
post Jun 19 2012, 05:57 PM

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Im quite confused with this Cinavia thing. I never play ahem BD and playy any files apart from original BDs on my player. Should i be concerned about this? Should i update my firmware or dont? I use Sony BDV-E380.
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post Jun 19 2012, 07:53 PM

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QUOTE(Liquid Snake @ Jun 19 2012, 05:57 PM)
Im quite confused with this Cinavia thing. I never play ahem BD and playy any files apart from original BDs on my player. Should i be concerned about this? Should i update my firmware or dont? I use Sony BDV-E380.
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If ur BDs are genuine, there is no harm updating your firmware and use your current player,the Cinavia act is concern to those titles where it is Cinavia compliant where is duplicated as ahem discs or digital media downloads.So in near future ahem disc may face some problem playing on a player which has Cinavia on them.

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post Jun 19 2012, 07:59 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeyz @ Jun 19 2012, 07:53 PM)
If ur BDs are genuine, there is no harm updating your firmware and use your current player,the Cinavia act is concern to those titles where it is Cinavia compliant where is duplicated as ahem discs or digital media downloads.So in near future ahem disc may face some problem playing on a player which has Cinavia on them.
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Phew. I thought if i dont update my firmware i cant play future bluray titles that comes with Cinavia. I never bought ahem disc anyway. Thanks for the info bro smile.gif
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post Jun 19 2012, 08:07 PM

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QUOTE(Liquid Snake @ Jun 19 2012, 07:59 PM)
Phew. I thought if i dont update my firmware i cant play future bluray titles that comes with Cinavia. I never bought ahem disc anyway. Thanks for the info bro smile.gif
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no problem man.just take note that future BDs titles from various production company will have Cinavia on them and BD player manufactured since Feb 2012 already had Cinavia in it.So soon both BD and the BDP must be match during a Cinavia verification,if is ahem.then errors starts to pop out.

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post Jun 22 2012, 10:00 AM

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the other day while at a friend's home, he played BDs via his Pioneer BDP-140. to my surprise, the player seems to be able to skip the annoying warning from the start of the BDs.

is there a way to do it with my sony s380?

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post Jun 22 2012, 03:04 PM

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QUOTE(junchoon @ Jun 22 2012, 10:00 AM)
the other day while at a friend's home, he played BDs via his Pioneer BDP-140.  to my surprise, the player seems to be able to skip the annoying warning from the start of the BDs.

is there a way to do it with my sony s380?

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So far i know is that Cinavia will work if the player has their netwrok running into the internet. U can try disable the S380 from any netwrok connection and try to prevent the player to do a Cinavia audio verification to some servers by via internet.see if it helps or not?
Your friend's BDP 140 is Cinavia infected player or not??

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post Jun 22 2012, 03:08 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeyz @ Jun 22 2012, 03:04 PM)
So far i know is that Cinavia will work if the player has their netwrok running into the internet. U can try disable the S380 from any netwrok connection and try to prevent the player to do a Cinavia audio verification to some servers by via internet.see if it helps or not?
Your friend's BDP 140 is Cinavia infected player or not??
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okay will disable network and see

i am not sure about his bdp140. seems like new unit

thanks,
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post Jun 22 2012, 05:45 PM

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QUOTE(Mikeyz @ Jun 22 2012, 03:04 PM)
So far i know is that Cinavia will work if the player has their netwrok running into the internet. U can try disable the S380 from any netwrok connection and try to prevent the player to do a Cinavia audio verification to some servers by via internet.see if it helps or not?
Your friend's BDP 140 is Cinavia infected player or not??
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non-networked BD players are free from Cinavia? hmm.gif
If that is true, then everyone will just have to unplugged the LAN cable/wifi.

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post Jun 22 2012, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jun 22 2012, 05:45 PM)
non-networked BD players are free from Cinavia? hmm.gif
If that is true, then everyone will just have to unplugged the LAN cable/wifi.
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Is a 50/50 bet. Why is said is becuase my PS3 was infected by Cinavia since i updated the firmware and the error 3 mag had pop up randomly in some movies ( while the media was stream by my LAN netwrok), it does not happen always but it comes and go.
Then i did try unplugged the network and so far it works for me but i suspect the Cinavia infected on my PS3 is perhaps not matured enough - just my opinion.
My other media devices are Cinavia free so i cant do blind test so hopefully u guys out there can share some experience on bypass or overcome the Cinavia when playing your BD or media files.

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post Jun 22 2012, 10:16 PM

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Its got nothing to do with the network...if the player is with Cinavia, and the disc title also Cinavia protected..the message will pop up..and not immediately after movie start.

My player does it and i have not plugged into network at all before.

I think the earlier commenter that mentioned that the Pioneer BP-140 can skip the message, probably not sure what the Cinavia thing is. The error code 3 likely to pop up about 20-30 min into the movies. Its not those FBI warnings that can be skip sometimes at the start of the disc.

So far, the cinavia thing carries to DVD-9 as well...and the media so far i tried that does not induced Cinavia kick-in is MKV stuff. Maybe these kinda of files bypasses the Cinavia protection.
I tried Midnight in Paris MKV...suppose to be a cinavia infected title, on my Cinavia infected player....and nothing happens.. smile.gif
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post Jun 23 2012, 03:11 AM

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Oops. I think I mix up what cinavia is to the message I saw. I don't have ahem BR discs - all are genuine lah.

I am actually referring to the those annoying FBI warnings I got all the time.

His bdp140 is not networked at all.

Nonetheless I tried disconnect but still show the FBI warning lah

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post Jun 23 2012, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(junchoon @ Jun 23 2012, 03:11 AM)
Oops.  I think I mix up what cinavia is to the message I saw.  I don't have ahem BR discs - all are genuine lah.

I am actually referring to the those annoying FBI warnings I got all the time.

His bdp140 is not networked at all.

Nonetheless I tried disconnect but still show the FBI warning lah

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Hahaha. Then yours is a complete diff story. Since u support originals, then u have no worries on Conavia.


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post Jun 25 2012, 02:19 AM

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QUOTE(junchoon @ Jun 23 2012, 03:11 AM)
Oops.  I think I mix up what cinavia is to the message I saw.  I don't have ahem BR discs - all are genuine lah.

I am actually referring to the those annoying FBI warnings I got all the time.

His bdp140 is not networked at all.

Nonetheless I tried disconnect but still show the FBI warning lah

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The Pioneers be able to skip those warning messages because there's a option in a player to turn it off if you can access it. I cant recalled what's that feature called but some players came with it disabled. You need to access the player's factory menu to be able to adjust this feature.

As far as CINAVIA concerned, so far i only got it from the "infamous" PS3 which it's left in the corner collecting dust now. I dont support any SONY players because there're equivalent players out there that give me peace of mind than "piss" of mind when it comes to all these copyright problems. As far as i know, Panasonic bluray players seem to gathered good review from WhatHifi in UK and i personally using it and find it as good as the SONY if not better. Discs that were unable to play on the PS3 were blazed through on the Panny brows.gif

It's wise NOT to connect to the internet all the time for your bluray players if you dont want to deal with the CINAVIA and equivalent problem. Also, read up on the latest firmware version before going for the update. You might lose some very important control over the player, just like the PS3.


Added on June 25, 2012, 2:29 am
QUOTE(tcb2010 @ Jun 22 2012, 10:16 PM)
Its got nothing to do with the network...if the player is with Cinavia, and the disc title also Cinavia protected..the message will pop up..and not immediately after movie start.

My player does it and i have not plugged into network at all before.

I think the earlier commenter that mentioned that the Pioneer BP-140 can skip the message, probably not sure what the Cinavia thing is. The error code 3 likely to pop up about 20-30 min into the movies.  Its not those FBI warnings that can be skip sometimes at the start of the disc.

So far, the cinavia thing carries to DVD-9 as well...and the media so far i tried that does not induced Cinavia kick-in is MKV stuff. Maybe these kinda of files bypasses the Cinavia protection.
I tried Midnight in Paris MKV...suppose to be a cinavia infected title, on my Cinavia infected player....and nothing happens..  smile.gif
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What CINAVIA did is to access your player details determine if this movie for the region you're located. If you have a region FREE player that you can set your region anytime you may, then CINAVIA has little effect on you. CINAVIA cannot be wiped from title because the technology they're using is encoded into the AUDIO track. It's located at the subsonic frequency, ie. > 20kHz we'll not be able to hear it and neither these CINAVIA enabled players willd decode it and output as audio. Unless they're filtered during the copying process which make it very "inconvenient" for the pirated companies. Though cats and dogs can hear these frequency so train and bring them to buy your next disc then laugh.gif

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post Jun 29 2012, 06:00 PM

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So I updated my S380 firmware by mistake to R0600, ended up with a cinivia set. Checking the net for firmware downgrade didn't find any solution.
I downloaded R0579 firmware, supposedly the last version without cinivia, created a CD and placed it into the player. As reported widely, downgrade is not possible. The player just proudly announced that it is "Already Updated".
I then downloaded R0615 firmware and used its ID file together with the R0579 firmware to create another CD. The player believed that it was R0615 and started the updating process. It progressed from 0/9 to 1/9 and then stayed there for a long while before skipping directly to 9/9, and happily declared that its firmware was updated to R0615.
But it wasn't. The firmware remained at R0600.
Now I am on my own again looking for another way to trick the player into performing a firmware downgrade.

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post Jun 29 2012, 06:23 PM

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up until today there is still no way to hack this stupid CINAVIA thing? I am sure there will be some experts out there to bypass/crack this.....just like the Apple IOS jailbreak....

yes? no ?
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post Jun 29 2012, 08:11 PM

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Also do take note that not only BDs contain Cinavia, downloaded BD material via torrent that has been Rip or compressed also contains Cinavia by default.
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post Jun 30 2012, 11:03 AM

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Sorry for asking may be the obvious to you people.

It's now time for me to chuck away my decade old DVD player and get myself a Bluray player instead. I mainly use it to watch 'ahem' DVDs from Pasar Malam on my 50" HDTV. So I suppose the Bluray player I am looking for would be:
1. Relatively cheap.
2. Good upscaling to 1080(?)
3. Tolerance to all sort of 'ahem' DVDs and Bluray(?)

Can someone please show me the way by giving me some advise? I hope to pick one up in the forthcoming KLAV shows next month. Thanks

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