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 Satria's Owners thread V23, TT on 25-11-2011

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post Oct 5 2011, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 03:53 PM)
your shaft is not long enough for all those lobes laaaaaaaaaa

thats why twin cam engine is created
and that also not enough, thats why there is quadcam engine...
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Really ar? I'm not a mechanic, just an idea...


Added on October 5, 2011, 3:59 pmBtw, what do you mean by not long enough for all those lobes? All valves (2 each for intake and 2 for exhaust for 4 cylinders are all independantly controlled by independant cam lobes, no?

I'm not saying making MIVEC on SOHC head, rather just imitating the cam profiles when it is activated.


Added on October 5, 2011, 4:02 pmIn short, what I'm trying to say is to get the cam profiles of the MIVEC when it is activated, in twincam, you got the profiles of the intake from the intake cam and exhaust profile from the exhaust cam and then combine the two to form a SOHC cam. Cannot? Not long enough? Don't quite understand you. Explain.

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post Oct 5 2011, 04:10 PM

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QUOTE(shinjite @ Oct 5 2011, 04:05 PM)
JUN Type 2 cams are :-

Low - 260/256 and High - 304/304

http://www.junauto.co.jp/products/cylinder...ft-4g92.html?en
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Just an idea, and just the durations and lift are not enough, the complete profile, when it opens and when its close, and things like that. Besides, all this is just an idea, don't know it there are limitations in the head, like can't fit such a profile and things like that.

And bro kcng, what do you mean not long enough huh? The only thing I can see now is that both intake and exhaust timing are fixed and you cant adjust that.
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 04:10 PM)
u take a ruler and tell me it can fit 8 lobes of identical width or not?
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If a SOHC camshaft can control all valves in one cam, why is that not viable?
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:23 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 04:17 PM)
that is why i say...

take a ruler..... and measure if it is viable or not...

and btw if a camshaft is designed for a DOHC engine, the lobes (on the intake cams) are already calculated to work together with the duration of the exhaust cams lobes.

taking just the intake cam (or copy the mivec profile) and dump it in a single cam engine...
my money is that the engine will die.... the lobes are only meant for intake, not exhaust...


and even if u take a brand new camshaft and grind it to mirror a mivec profile, is the camshaft long enough to accommodate the intake and exhaust lobes accordingly?
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You make la in the SOHC cam how the duration of the exhaust on the twincam onto the exhaust lobs on the SOHC cam. Cannot?
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:28 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 04:25 PM)
and if u do that, what is going to happen to the intake lobe for that particular cylinder?

unless u are telling me that u wan cylinder 1 & 3 running intake lobes...
cylinder 2 & 4 running exhaust lobes...

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Wait, let me get home and then lets have a discussion. Hope you can enlighten me.
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:39 PM

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It's just the cam profiles what, nevermind, wait later I post image to see if this is possible.
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:47 PM

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Tell me why it is not? I'm thinking its possible. Later post pictures.
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 04:52 PM)
if it is possible, dont u think car manufacturers would have already done it ?
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First off, cam profiles switching is for both low end and high end driving. It is adaptive to your driving condition, in a sense that you want torque on low end, and you want crazy cam durations and lift on high end. I think VTEC and MIVEC is based on the idea. So a high cam would cause your car to be, you know the drills, low drivability, erratic idles, and everything you can think of when of intalling a high cam in a car. You installed one, surely you know of this?

While some ppl can appreciate this, not all ppl do. But you know all this already I'm sure.
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post Oct 5 2011, 04:58 PM

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Possible or not doesn't mean you have to make it. Some things is based on applicability. I'm not saying its absolutely possible to mirror the cam profiles because I'm not from the industry, but basic knowledge says it quite likely possible.
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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 05:01 PM)
same thing

if it is applicable, and can be tuned for better efficiency, car manufacturer will proceed with it...
and mind u, those are people with real RnD power...
they have billions to spend on RnD aka doing funny stuffs that they can think off...
not some bawah pokok operating budget...
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I don't understand, your question is the same like why our cars didn't came out of factory with race cams. And why it didn't came with full adjustable suspensions.
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And why it didn't came with RCS suspensions...


Added on October 5, 2011, 5:21 pm
QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 05:20 PM)
exactly

i want you to think, why cars dont come out of the factory with race cams, and why it dont come with adjustable suspension

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Because your mom wouldn't like to drive a car with those.

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post Oct 5 2011, 09:59 PM

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Bro kc, that sentence was never meant as an insult I wasn't trying to be rude to you, just to say that the average guy, your "go pasar" type of people wouldn't like to drive those cars.

Btw, that is not the topic, the topic was you say that the SOHC camshaft is not long enough to fit the cam lobes.

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Why is it not long? Explain, in pictures.
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post Oct 5 2011, 10:14 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 10:11 PM)
even better
u already have pictures of the camshaft + the engine block...

now use this
user posted image
to think why i say that it is not long enough

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Unless you post something useful, it's just pointless to say its not long.
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post Oct 5 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(cuttlefish @ Oct 5 2011, 10:15 PM)
the width of the lobes make it impossible to fit all 8 into one camshaft is it?

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Then how do you think the 4g92p control all the 16 valves? Or do the 4g92p actually only have 12? or less? cool2.gif
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post Oct 5 2011, 10:19 PM

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Still don't agree, nvm, going to ask my mech or maddriver when I see them.
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QUOTE(cuttlefish @ Oct 5 2011, 10:15 PM)
the width of the lobes make it impossible to fit all 8 into one camshaft is it?

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Not to say it should have exactly the same number of lobes, since by default 4g92 sohc have 12 cam lobes, the dohc have 16 lobes combined.
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post Oct 5 2011, 10:23 PM

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QUOTE(kcng @ Oct 5 2011, 10:21 PM)
thats why i say... take a ruler and tell me if u can fit 8 exact width lobe in it or not...
then use the BRAIN to think about the logic.....
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This is pointless, what ruler? How long a ruler? 15 cm? 20 cm? 30 cm? 1 meter? 30 meters? What abou tthe width of the lobes, 1 cm? 2 cm? Or open up my engine and measure then try to fit?


Added on October 5, 2011, 10:25 pmPlease just explain la, and I don't totally understand what you mean by 1 and 4 intake? And cylinder 2 and 4 exhaust? How is this possible?

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Please make sure you are absolutely right first before you try to insult others, or else your reputation will surely mop the floor and flush the toilet.
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