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US stock discussion v4, Bulls-Bears HUAT AH!! Pigs get slaughter
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danmooncake
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Apr 19 2013, 02:35 AM
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I've briefly looked at the the long term chart of AAPL and from the price action perspective.. it still have some downside move to it. From the peak of 700, it successfully formed a nice H & S pattern to the base of 500, and now, it drops to 400..technically, it still got another 100 pts to go to $300-$320 as price target for the measured move. Now, that's just solely from a technical perspective only not necessarily it must go there. Anything can break this cycle for eg. if AAPL suddenly reports outstanding earnings or have great products in the coming months, then the bears will suddenly become bulls. Fundamentally, nothing has change within the company, they're still making great products but the price action speaks for itself. Broken stock, not broken company but great for trading! This post has been edited by danmooncake: Apr 19 2013, 02:36 AM
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yok70
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Apr 19 2013, 03:01 AM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 19 2013, 02:35 AM) I've briefly looked at the the long term chart of AAPL and from the price action perspective.. it still have some downside move to it. From the peak of 700, it successfully formed a nice H & S pattern to the base of 500, and now, it drops to 400..technically, it still got another 100 pts to go to $300-$320 as price target for the measured move. Now, that's just solely from a technical perspective only not necessarily it must go there. Anything can break this cycle for eg. if AAPL suddenly reports outstanding earnings or have great products in the coming months, then the bears will suddenly become bulls. Fundamentally, nothing has change within the company, they're still making great products but the price action speaks for itself. Broken stock, not broken company but great for trading!  Thanks! I remember it has about 130b cash? Is that still valid now? If so, current price is at 35% cash level. I like to see 320.
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danmooncake
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Apr 19 2013, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 19 2013, 03:01 AM) Thanks! I remember it has about 130b cash? Is that still valid now? If so, current price is at 35% cash level. I like to see 320.  Yes, they have 137bln..sure it is valid but they are very frugal. They hardly spend it at all and they don't give it back to share holders when they were given the chance last year BEFORE the year end so that the divi tax rates can remain low. Heck, that's why a lot of investors decided to SELL AAPL after the big run from 2011 to 2012. Now that the price is below 2012 level, won't be surprise we'll revisit the low of 2011 (around $305) in a couple of weeks time if the sell down continues.
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countdown
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Apr 19 2013, 09:35 PM
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aapl bid/ask spread very huge more than 30cents. to recover loss by market maker?
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danmooncake
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Apr 19 2013, 09:49 PM
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QUOTE(countdown @ Apr 19 2013, 09:35 PM) aapl bid/ask spread very huge more than 30cents. to recover loss by market maker? Option Expiration day... it's volatile day. Need a push down towards 380 for shaking the bulls, and pull up to close just between 385 and 390 for maximum pain.
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danmooncake
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Apr 19 2013, 09:53 PM
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SNDK sell off to 51.41 was what I was looking for yesterday after earnings.. so, got in at 51.80 tonight just to ride this back up. Let see how it goes. Uptrend still intact for this flash maker.
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danmooncake
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Apr 20 2013, 05:23 AM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 20 2013, 02:52 AM) IBM!  Ouch! Huge gap down for that one!! Are you going to trade it?
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foofoosasa
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Apr 20 2013, 06:59 AM
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QUOTE(yok70 @ Apr 20 2013, 02:52 AM) IBM!  felt a bit lucky I sold it 2/3 days before  .
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danmooncake
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Apr 20 2013, 09:57 PM
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QUOTE(foofoosasa @ Apr 20 2013, 06:59 AM) felt a bit lucky I sold it 2/3 days before  . Waahh..Very lucky.. you've dodged the bullet. It will take a lot of confidence to hold thru earnings..that's why sometimes, you have to wait till after they announce earnings to buy if the stock is volatile. If the stock already seen the big move before the earnings, the expectation is they must beat otherwise it will be severely punished. Next week.. AAPL to watch. Low expectation here.
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foofoosasa
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Apr 20 2013, 10:32 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 20 2013, 09:57 PM) Waahh..Very lucky.. you've dodged the bullet. It will take a lot of confidence to hold thru earnings..that's why sometimes, you have to wait till after they announce earnings to buy if the stock is volatile. If the stock already seen the big move before the earnings, the expectation is they must beat otherwise it will be severely punished. Next week.. AAPL to watch. Low expectation here.  Actually I just sold to buy another bargain, never thought will be that lucky. LOL Agree with you, the shinning star like IBM, APPL etc really do have really big expectation in earning.
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countdown
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Apr 22 2013, 07:47 PM
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oh crap after reading this data, might go for straddle/strangle rather than pure PUT.... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-apple-c...dist=beforebell
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danmooncake
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Apr 22 2013, 09:30 PM
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QUOTE(countdown @ Apr 22 2013, 07:47 PM) oh crap after reading this data, might go for straddle/strangle rather than pure PUT.... http://www.marketwatch.com/story/5-apple-c...dist=beforebellI did the long straddle last time. It works for me because AAPL tends to be very volatile and made the big move after earnings. Depending on where it is going close today.. I'll have to check how many possible points it can move after earnings. The option market open interest is a tell tale sign where people are betting.
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foofoosasa
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Apr 22 2013, 09:38 PM
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The profit margin of APPL is deteriorating.. I wonder how going into "low cost strategy" going to help...
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countdown
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Apr 22 2013, 09:40 PM
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wah...NFLX like google!
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danmooncake
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Apr 22 2013, 09:55 PM
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Playing calls tonight for AAPL. in some at 392.. plan to exit around 397/398. 5-6 pts scalp.
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danmooncake
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Apr 22 2013, 10:02 PM
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Got it. 397.50.. I'm out. Quick cash for tonight. This post has been edited by danmooncake: Apr 22 2013, 10:03 PM
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all blacks
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Apr 22 2013, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE(danmooncake @ Apr 22 2013, 10:02 PM) Got it. 397.50.. I'm out. Quick cash for tonight.  Bro u play Stock, option or SSF? So fast exit..
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danmooncake
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Apr 22 2013, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(all blacks @ Apr 22 2013, 10:25 PM) Bro u play Stock, option or SSF? So fast exit.. Calls options..
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danmooncake
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Apr 23 2013, 06:18 AM
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Tons of calls interests for AAPL in 420s and puts in 365s area. More than 5% move coming.. place your bets tomorrow before end of closing.
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