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 [Official] Perodua Alza MPV Club V2, Car One Moment ,MPV The Next

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post Oct 22 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(SaltyBean @ Oct 22 2011, 09:25 AM)
wat! wat d heck they did at the service centre? day dreaming?! u kena taruk em kaw-kaw ya. bazir masa n duit untuk kerja 2x.
where is the service ctr?

i have tat prob apart from the other probs in my "list". I gona tell em to fix d shits when i go 4d 3rd final free service.
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SS 2. Last tome I use to service myvi there. Service was good. I think they don't check they lower arm. After compliant again just check.
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post Oct 22 2011, 04:09 PM

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QUOTE(angelbratz @ Oct 21 2011, 10:14 PM)
My Average Mileage... doh.gif

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Added on October 21, 2011, 10:19 pmEithanius...

How's your car?
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lol... u reset den not in full long distance running so it cant adapt ur average. i jz do tat den become 19.9 but after long way running now is 9.2 up latest 9.5 now. jz service using iridium spark.
jz pump my 4donut with nitrogen anyone using nitrogen. the foreman say is more comfort.
Spend = RM5 x 4donut.
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post Oct 22 2011, 05:12 PM

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QUOTE(jackielee @ Oct 22 2011, 04:09 PM)
lol... u reset den not in full long distance running so it cant adapt ur average. i jz do tat den become 19.9 but after long way running now is 9.2 up latest 9.5 now. jz service using iridium spark.
jz pump my 4donut with nitrogen anyone using nitrogen. the foreman say is more comfort.
Spend = RM5 x 4donut.
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I found out that day Rawang SC offered nitrogen pump for 10 bucks only... Anyone tried...?
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post Oct 22 2011, 07:37 PM

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blink.gif nitrogen??

Tyre more light weight ??? After pump what are the benefit brows.gif
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post Oct 23 2011, 04:18 AM

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QUOTE(n8210 @ Oct 22 2011, 09:32 AM)
9.2L/100km is a bit on the high side. Auto Transmission?
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Yup...auto transmission...
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post Oct 23 2011, 07:43 AM


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QUOTE(Eithanius @ Oct 22 2011, 05:12 PM)
I found out that day Rawang SC offered nitrogen pump for 10 bucks only... Anyone tried...?
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the car will be as light as nitrogen and fly brows.gif

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post Oct 24 2011, 11:43 AM

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Hey guys, with the XM2, now I can lower down my FC to 8.0-8.1L/100k. Previously I'm around 8.6-9.0, most of the time around 8.8L/100km. Amazing? Now I think I want to research into adding soft turbo. Give it more ummpphh...
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QUOTE(n8210 @ Oct 24 2011, 11:43 AM)
Hey guys, with the XM2, now I can lower down my FC to 8.0-8.1L/100k. Previously I'm around 8.6-9.0, most of the time around 8.8L/100km. Amazing? Now I think I want to research into adding soft turbo. Give it more ummpphh...
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which you now tempt me for new donuts.... WHEN THE HECK IS MY ALZA GONNA GET FIXED AND READY FOR COLLECTION....!!!! mad.gif

As for turbo, I'm still wondering why the Perodua-loaned MyVi 1.3l drives like a 2.4l (seriously) whereas my Alza 1.5l drives like a 1.0l slouch... doh.gif

Any ideas...? Throttle cable readjustment or ECU remapping...?


btw, are the XM2 a lot more quieter on all road conditions...?

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post Oct 24 2011, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(wtm0325 @ Oct 23 2011, 07:43 AM)
the car will be as light as nitrogen and fly  brows.gif

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ya, comfort+ wen passing bump... turning +light. fren say more stable but i haven realize it... aiya rm20 oni pay it up la...since u bought 60k+ car oledi. can last for 3months for heavy user and light user 5-6months once. One refill RM1.50 x 4tyre. tongue.gif i jz lazy to dirty up my hand pumping donuts at petronas.
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QUOTE(jackielee @ Oct 24 2011, 12:29 PM)
ya, comfort+ wen passing bump... turning +light. fren say more stable but i haven realize it... aiya rm20 oni pay it up la...since u bought 60k+ car oledi. can last for 3months for heavy user and light user 5-6months once. One refill RM1.50 x 4tyre.  tongue.gif i jz lazy to dirty up my hand pumping donuts at petronas.
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I can only see the downside of 3 - 6 months of use. Coz dunno if kena small nails and get leakages between that period, cannot check ourselves, why...? Too long a period being too comfy with the idea of nitro on donuts, one days go outstation on high speed, leak until pressure too low, donut meletup, car go turtle... whistling.gif

I'd rather go check air pressure once a month just to be on safe side...
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post Oct 24 2011, 02:16 PM

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Ya, agree. That little nitrogen, how much can it help?!

So I did a calculation based on the difference in FC now with the new Xm2.
Previously avg 8.8L/100km, that means 42liters gives me around 477km.
Now if I assume my avg is 8.0L/100km, then it gives me around 520km.
520 - 477 = extra 43km, or 5.4 liter less (based on 8.0L/100km)
5.4l x $1.9 = $10.20 savings per 42 full tank pump each time
$10.20 x 45 weeks (cos I don't use up full tank every week) = $459 savings per year
Assuming XM2 can continue help me get more mileage even after 1 year's usage.

Assuming Silervstone M5 185/55R15 is $150/donut, x4 = $600.
I paid $900 for 4 XM2 tyres, so paid extra $300.

So if my XM2 do not perform, then most likely the extra $300 I paid to Michelin is just about the same savings I get back from better FC ie. comparing $459 savings versus $300 extra fr Michelin brand.

But, I get to enjoy XM2 for a short period of time lo, I guess that makes Silverstone less interesting, unless they priced it much lower than $150/donut. Anyway, just based on the markings on the tyre itself, this is a big difference:-
M5 treadwear = 240
XM2 treadwear = 420, manyak durable la!!

I didn't check what is CC5, but I heard from the tyre shop many customers complaint abt CC5, whereas no one complaint abt XM2.

For long distance drivers, I recommend 195/55R15. But Alza auto, no power la. 4 adults + 2 below 5 yrs old children.... i cannot reach 120kph on the new Latar highway, with 185/55R15.
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post Oct 24 2011, 02:58 PM


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n8210, i am more concern about the sound brows.gif
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ahahaha... me too... super sick of M5...

bloody Beruk2 con kao us with inferior tyres...

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post Oct 24 2011, 03:10 PM

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I think any new tyres would give you less noise. But in my personal experience, pursuing this path is meaningless. It is, in the end, a lower quality car priced wrongly. We can add materials such as insuflex to cover (half) of the whole side doors. What about the windows?

So first, it was very noisy. We can hear motorcycles, lorries, etc... after added insuflex, then we can clearly hear the tyre/uneven road noise. So I change the tyres. Now, without the tyre noise, I start to hear the motorcycles, lorries, etc again, because the window sides are still not properly "patched".

To expect a premium quality car's experience while driving Alza is not impossible, but definitely need a lot of investment in terms of money and effort, just to make all the short comings less irritating.

I may look into adding foam, getting a VS, or swap both of those expenses for a soft-turbo kit. But that is all I would invest in this darn car. Any more investment is meaningless, cos I might as well look at a decent second hand WV.
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QUOTE(n8210 @ Oct 24 2011, 03:10 PM)
I think any new tyres would give you less noise. But in my personal experience, pursuing this path is meaningless. It is, in the end, a lower quality car priced wrongly. We can add materials such as insuflex to cover (half) of the whole side doors. What about the windows?

So first, it was very noisy. We can hear motorcycles, lorries, etc... after added insuflex, then we can clearly hear the tyre/uneven road noise. So I change the tyres. Now, without the tyre noise, I start to hear the motorcycles, lorries, etc again, because the window sides are still not properly "patched".

To expect a premium quality car's experience while driving Alza is not impossible, but definitely need a lot of investment in terms of money and effort, just to make all the short comings less irritating.

I may look into adding foam, getting a VS, or swap both of those expenses for a soft-turbo kit. But that is all I would invest in this darn car. Any more investment is meaningless, cos I might as well look at a decent second hand WV.
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hmm.... which gives me a wild idea... maybe I should pop up the hood on the Perodua-loaned MyVI and check if there's a soft-turbo kit inside somewhere... whistling.gif

Anyhow, to reiterate what I've experienced so far, the MyVi as tin-a-can as it seem, is far more powerful and more quiet compared to my Alza. Yes you are right, Perodua screwed up big time on pricing and quality control on the Alza, which is a great disappointment after being their loyal customer for more than 8 years.
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post Oct 24 2011, 03:32 PM

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make some effort to reduce noise, sure get some results. actually insuflex is not the best, cos it is soft. you need more than one layer of material, meaning a combination of soft and harder materials to counter the noise. But don't forget, this is just half the door! A lot of noise comes in from the window too.
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QUOTE(n8210 @ Oct 24 2011, 03:32 PM)
make some effort to reduce noise, sure get some results. actually insuflex is not the best, cos it is soft. you need more than one layer of material, meaning a combination of soft and harder materials to counter the noise. But don't forget, this is just half the door! A lot of noise comes in from the window too.
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One thing I learn from KL Auto, if the cabin goes too quiet, it create a heavy pressure feel inside the cabin, that's why those fellas there refused adding another layer of soundproofing material despite me offering to pay more. And being too quiet a cabin will result in more stressful driving, because one cannot gauge what's outside e.g. a bike or heavy vehicle close by and at the same time obscured by blind spots.
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post Oct 24 2011, 03:56 PM

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I have sat in a Jaguar XJR6 before. It is so much quieter. Oh, I have not done anything on the engine compartment to stop noise coming in. All I have done is the floor and the doors.
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Yeah, I've driven my dad's Camry which should be less quieter than a Jaguar or a Lexus, is still much quieter than mine... doh.gif

I've yet to do floor and firewall... Donuts hopefully by next month....

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