you think you so smart by saying all these??

we are not questioning player's capabilities here, we are comparing the leagues competitiveness.
in case you didnt know, world class players like ronaldo, aguero, silva will enjoy success anywhere. they are classy. nuff' said.
owh! about forlan being a flop in man u and then a hit in atletico, i leave that to you.

just ask about anyone on street, who will win la liga?
about every season, you can expect them to say barca/ madrid.
take note only barca/ madrid realistically have chance to nick it.

now ask the same question, who will win the epl?
some say man u? chelsea? man city? liverpool? arsenal?
look, i know liverpool and arsenal have been in a shitty form now.
but hey, we know both teams have a shot at the title every now and then.

speaking of CL, we all know barca is the greatest team now.
look at the previous stats, most of the time only barca managed to sail into the quarter/semi/finals stages.
whereas england teams consistently having 2/3 teams advancing to the later stages.
says much huh?


cheers,

The real question is, is there no such gap between Man Utd compared to the rest?

City is catching up because of their money.

Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal are thought to be in transition. So they should be considerably weaker than they were few years ago no? So isn't that showing the gap? I don't need to speculate anything like how you do with that Stoke bulls, I just have to show Man Utd results against Arsenal and just now Chelsea. BOTH were really horrible with their defense. Bolton also received a mauling in their own stadium too. why not BPL fanboys just point this out as the gap, like Real-Barca have in Liga? At least we have 2 horse race in Spain. Right now, BPL fans have to pray for City to keep up with Utd, otherwise, BPL should be wrapped up early.

I heard there are 6 title contenders right? Who's the other one? Spurs? I LOLed

Intensity, yes. But better competition? Better midtable teams?

Now, Malaga has been bought by Sheikhs as well. Getafe will be taken up fully by another group of Sheikh next year. Atletico is still in fine financial state. Sevilla is still pretty much a good team, as long as they keep Palop outta their team. Valencia have never seemed to be affected by their troubles. Real Sociedad held us to a draw, Levante just defeated Madrid.

Clubs in Spain are in financial troubles, but it is not always reflected by on-pitch performance.

This BS is the easiest and the last haters could hang onto, because in no way Barca can prove otherwise. Well, not if they somehow get into UCL

Just cut the crap OK?



Can't you just see? People only talk about Barca and Real because Malaysian generally lack the exposure towards La Liga. Thus they are not familiar Villareal, Valencia and Atletico. They just don't realize that Valencia has won just as much league titles as Arsenal did during the past 10 years.

Meanwhile, although it has been always Man Utd who managed to grab the league nearly every year, because of the fan base, EPL teams are automatically regarded much higher.

Conclusion, your example is very biased, and in no way it strengthens your argument.

Yeah it used to be like that. Not now though. Last I checked, Spain have 2 reps in UCL semis, 1 in Europa Cup semis, and 1 winner in UEFA Super Cup. In the meantime, BPL teams are continuously looking for players in the more 'inferior' La Liga.

Cheers.

1 bold.
yes, bpl is the most exciting league
yes, bpl is the most competitive league
yes, bpl is the most entertaining league
(heck i watched bpl more than la liga itself)

dey macha, i agree with you on league competitiveness, you are a true fan, you know this, i'm hitting out bandwagon, go to mamak and ask random ppl...some of them know shit about football..you'll be surprised

2 bold
again you're right. this is because spain football got so many politics. broadcast revenue are distributed in unfairly manner just as an example.
again, I'm hitting bandwagon not true fans..you know who you are

epl
99-00 manu
00-01 manu
01-02 arsenal
02-03 manu
03-04 arsenal
04-05 chelsea
05-06 chelsea
06-07 manu
07-08 manu
08-09 manu
09-10 chelsea
10-11 manu

laliga
99-00 deportivo
00-01 real
01-02 valencia
02-03 real
03-04 valencia
04-05 barca
05-06 barca
06-07 real
07-08 real
08-09 barca
09-10 barca
10-11 barca

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Added on September 19, 2011, 6:23 amso beckham first 3 season in real no trophy mean what
i wonder how many trophies he won at england

this is where style of play matter

generally, bpl= high tempo, fast game, highly physical
la liga= possession football? skills?
serie a= defence specialist, counter attack


maybe bpl style doesnt suit him
or perhaps he peak late? other problems(family related, language...like mascherano)

This post has been edited by raul88: Sep 19 2011, 06:23 AM

quite shocked with the RM result tbh. they pulled a sociedad?

well barca need to step up now. win in mestalla and go on top.

as for PL, i kinda agree with raul88 assessment.

barca will invite stoke for next year gamper cup or a friendly perhaps

angel di maria LOL

Hahahaha. Surprise surprise. Tu la. Lenkali jgn tok kok. Hahaha. Tq levante for open up the title race.hehe

that is so not true. lack of exposure?
really?
come'on seriously? you think villareal, valencia and atletico can win the league?

if we compare valencia's title in the past 10 years and arsenal's premier league, we have valencia 1, arsenal 3. in the between blackburn won it once and chelsea also got 3. that is what i'm saying. even a team like blackburn pocket it once. can malaga/deportivo/sociedad do the same in la liga?

i dont see how fans will rate other teams higher? especially the arrogant devils. generally man u got the largest fanbase in asia. not sure about other continents. that doesnt mean all fans are bias towards the league their team in.

last time you checked? i assume last season?
check 2/3/4 seasons back for better reliability/consistency.
la liga big 2 pervasively looking at BPL for players too if you can take off your spanish hat for a while.
ronaldo, manu>rm, the most recent,fabregas>barca, in the past owen>rm, beckham>rm, van nistelrooj>rm, van bronchost, petit, overmars, silvinho, arsenal>barca.

no hard feeling here, but it seems barca loves arsenal players so much.

This post has been edited by -Nos-: Sep 19 2011, 07:56 AM

woah, jz wake up and get to know rm lose to levante, sorry to said bt nw is the chance to win some point and widen the gap.

regarding those la liga vs bpl topic, its an endless war, both league are entertaining in its own way.

on side note, do hope barca meet/invite stoke in next year for some friendly cup... rofl

i think u misunderstood the stoke barca thingy i mentioned

wad i mean is that I think....the person who said that (Andy Gray if I'm not right)

his statement might be based on physical of Stoke


apart from that, u mentioned about the taking over in La Liga

it's not that relevant yet, Getafe and Malaga are only in their 1st season after take over

PSG too (did not perform that well as well)

but chelsea man city played few seasons already, so the performance has improve alot

and about the scorelines against chelsea arsenal recently

arsenal is plagued by injuries (transfer policies defect for ages), chelsea is in transition

if u watch the game (esp chelsea) the 3-0 doesnt represent the performance in pitch

just the finishing of man utd is better

and if u read correctly wad I wrote

nvr once I said which league is superior I myself watched both

I was merely analysing reasons why ppl said BPL is better (popular) than la liga

last but no least, chances of upset in BPL is higher than la liga if nt mistaken

p/s: there are many ways to interpret the word 'better' , it depends on how u look at it, better as in better teams? more hype? and etc

no right or wrong here

This post has been edited by tzxsean: Sep 19 2011, 01:19 PM

Yup, its lack of exposure. While most people know how dude like Joe Cole and Benayoun play, how many people know how Piatti (Valencia), Perotti (Sevilla) and Camunas (Villareal) play? Which of them are good, which are overrated?

Oh, and how about Arsenal and Liverpool chances? Do they really have chances? If you take off you English hat, you will see that for quite a while now they haven't had the consistency to properly challenge for the title. And right now, its just all about Man Utd. Things are getting worse there

For me, who actually WATCH both leagues, in some matches, Liverpool have shown as much fight against Man Utd as Valencia have against Barca. Not much difference.

LOL, see? Your misinformation just show lack of exposure? And surprise, you just did a mistake with Arsenal record as well.

BOTH Valencia and Arsenal won their respective leagues in 01/02 and 03/04 seasons. Please refer wiki back

Oh, and for Blackburn, Deportivo la Coruna won the league in 2000.

Chelsea? I always regarded them as the only side who can offer consistency to challenge United. So for me there has always been big 2 in EPL. So I'd compare their position with Real Madrid. The difference now is, while Real is still pushing Barca, Chelsea has now slowed down at an alarming rate.

Liverpool has been shite for a long time now, just like Atletico Madrid.

But I'm actually referring to current situation. To actually roll back 10 years can be misleading.



If I were you, I'm gonna check how Spanish team fared in Europa as well Atletico and Sevilla won it remember? Villareal in the semis last year? They were not that bad, as how you guys in BPL clubs thread like to point out Sometimes reading comments that is Barca related in those thread is laughable. All of them ooze some kind of arrogance about their supposedly 'better' league, with not much of understanding about LL.

What's your comment about how Real Sociedad earned a draw against us last week? How about Hercules who defeated us in Camp Nou last year? Are those results because they are crappy teams, who likes to lie down so Barca can roll over 'em?

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Added on September 19, 2011, 2:25 pmHe is the real serial offender

This post has been edited by matyrze: Sep 19 2011, 02:44 PM

Shiiiit. Everytime there is a discussion, I'm busy at work or on holiday.

EPL fan boys,
after the "international break", look how easy it was for Man U and Man City to crush their opponents. And SAF as just complaining that too many of his stars need to play for their respective countries.

COmpare those results and matches to Madrid's and Barca's.
They both had trouble in the so called "inferior and less competitive league". Barca actually drew and Madrid had a lot of trouble but in the end won their match.

I love this quote

exactly and when the manchester teams crush other teams, it's swept under the carpet.

and por que por que???







ANd this is what the Special One had to say after the match;
Mourinho: "I congratulate Levante. They know how to provocate, simulate, and even waste time. They're ready!
My players are not suited to the dirty side of football, to the provocation, to the simulation."

He seriously has some issues.

The fans at the stadium made one banner;
We're ugly, poor and not very good.
Hilarious!!

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ok..continue discussion

Read this..Analysis
For sharing, just an analysis by former ex Valencia manager..dont know him??

By the way i'm Barca fan also..

My god...

What's with all these number

For me, the best way to understand football is to watch it.

You want to understand BPL, you watch it.
You want to understand LL, you watch it.
You want to understand Serie A, you watch it.
You want to understand Barca, you watch 'em play.
Simple.

Stats are ruining football by oversimplifying the diversity of beautiful game. How can you judge psychological demand based on challenges made in a league?

In the latest Revista de La Liga, David Silva offered some interesting POV. He said the difference when playing in LL and BPL:

1) BPL is more physical and fast paced, but lotsa empty space attacking players can exploit due to defenders constantly out of position after pressuring;
2) LL is played at slower pace, but "in LL the defense is more organized" (direct quote from interview), thus leaving fewer space for attackers, and consequently they are harder to break down.

If you want to watch his interview, download Revista de La Liga 30th August episode. Of course he touched many other things, and he did pointed out the advantages of BPL. But are LL defense really that shitty?

people know joe cole because once he represented england. as for benayoun, he is the captain for israel NT and played for liverpool, chelsea and now arsenal. common sense much? if those players you mentioned are 'good' the scouts would notice them? no? how is that related to 'exposure'?

oh, in addition to taking off your spanish head you need to take off your spanish tinted glasses too. i've mentioned that both arsenal and pool have been in dismay form now. last 2 seasons they were just breathing under the devil's neck. and arsenal was running in the race before puncture last season but chelsea is not far off that season. right now, i agree its all man u but the season is still early.

arsenal won 3 times if i count from the BPL format. that is how i counted just now.

if you talk about previous few seasons, chelsea, pool, arsenal are always there to challenge for the title. this season we have city up there.
whereas in la liga barca has been running away with the title since the ronaldinho era. madrid is the only team that can dethrone them from my perspective.

seriously nobody gives 2 cents about europa league. and we are talking about bpl vs. la liga now.

those scrappy results happen in every league. what about fulham drawing with citeh? wolves beating man u last season. wigan do the same to arsenal.
means what?
in the end only 2 teams capable to win the league. i'm talking about clear favorites here. i can bet my ranch on barca/ rm to win again this season.

I don't understand what are you trying to tell here so I'll pass.



Nice story there, had I not followed BPL, surely I'd belief BPL is the best already. But sadly, I did follow the league. So I'll pass.



The first one you counted was more than 10 years ago.

If you still want to count it, please, learn this...

Since the inception of EPL (92/93 season);

The league champions were:

Man Utd - 12
Arsenal - 3
Chelsea - 3
Blackburn - 1

In Spain:

Barcelona - 9
Real - 6
Valencia - 2
Depor - 1
Atletico - 1

So which stats looks prettier?



Please, put Liverpool and Arsenal outta that elite bracket. There has always been only "Big 2" in EPL i.e Man Utd and Chelsea. Because they are the only teams who have the consistency. Similar like what Barca and Real have in LL.



Ok, fair enough, although one of those Spanish team had went on to win the Uefa Super Cup against the mighty Inter Milan, but yeah Europa is a shitty tournament right?

So with deeper thought, actually both LL and EPL contain similar excitement that anybody can take off points from anybody, even the top dog in the league right? So, please, do explain to us again, why EPL has better competition than LL?

frankly speaking, the world had recognized the existence of big 4 or top 4 or whatever 4 years ago.
just because 2 of the 'big 4' are in shit hole, you wanna proclaim there is only 'big 2'.
okay, i'm fine with it.

right, main reason in my arguments that epl is more competitive than la liga is the quality of teams actually capable to win it.
i've mention lots of time, in bpl there are 3 teams capable to win the league.
namely, man u , chelsea, man city.(you said you regard man u and chelsea as the most consistent teams, on paper city stand a great chance too)
i'm saying based on their form now.

can you at least name me another team aside of barca/ madrid that is capable to win the league?
rational, please.

EPL is physical, La Liga is technical, nuff said. How to compare? I personally thing as a league whole, EPL is more competitive but thats my opinion, if i debate or discuss with La Liga viewers of course there wont be a factual right answer.

EPL supporters think La Liga viewers are watching from a La Liga tinted glass, and the vice versa. Well guess what, duh! If i watch EPL more than La Liga, obviously i have more knowledge about EPL and thus can argue more strongly for EPL. at least i know i will be having this tinted glass

It's always a cycle in my opinion. in the mid 2000s, theres a fear that the gap between top 4 in England is getting bigger and bigger, coz of the spending power. It used to be that same 4 teams at the top in the first half of 2000s, only until recently Spurs and City are challenging into the bracket. and by 2009 & 2010 only the event of a minnow team can beating the top team is more common. When i was watching Man utd in 2006-2007, i can see a fixture and say "hah! a win in a hand". Not the case now though.

I think the same thing happens now, only now its 2 teams at the top of La Liga and nobody seems to be able to stop them. Who knows what might happen? Valencia gets an injection from some new owner? Malaga's owner splash cash as well? Some genius manager took over Real Betis and ressurect them from the depth and challenge at least for Europa spot? (yes back when the ever-so-selfish Denilson is with them).

Regardless, there wont be a right or wrong answer. Discuss all you want, both sides will be biased. Ive been in such discussion before, this is not the first and definitely wont be the last.

PS: If you really wanna watch competitive league, go watch Bundesliga. The winner can be a team that doesnt even qualify for UCL the previous season, and the 2nd and 3rd in 2009-2010 end up as 13th & 14th in 2010-2011 . And in terms of financial aspect of the league, they have the healthiest one with very few debts around.