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 Buying Gold As Investment V3 - $1950?, Gold rush brings windfalls and warnings

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keii-kun
post Sep 9 2011, 08:28 PM

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i go uob melaka lah cos i'm in melaka.

here still got 1oz maple and just reconfirmed with the head cashier, they still will accept opened maple as long no dent/scratch/weight loss > means it is still 'ar-Rahnu'able laugh.gif

rentas can read here
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1014248/+40#entry38621327

actually it is similar to meps interbank/fpx , reading further - better use meps ibg lah or ask the bank what is the fastest interbank transfer.
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post Sep 9 2011, 08:56 PM

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Oo mayb i will bumb into u some time in UOB melaka branch...haha wink.gif

Gold increasing again abit =.=
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post Sep 9 2011, 08:58 PM

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I have 2 pieces of American Gold Eagle coins 3.11gram or 1/10 oz each.

Selling at the same price gainesvillecoins.com

link: http://www.gainesvillecoins.com/products/1...eG5(110oz).aspx

PM me if you are interested

Terms and conditions:

1. Price quoted as in 'buying with credit card'.

2. Extra RM15 per piece is needed to cover the shipping cost charged on me last time I bought it. The shipping charge for both of the coins was $12.95. But I am offering $5/RM15 per piece.

3. Google up current conversion "[$ <price with credit card> usd in myr] + [RM15]", set a deal with me + lock the price, then we meet up somewhere public (COD).

4. With the method, the price will still be cheaper than buying from UOB. Trust me. Compare it yourself. (at the moment I write this, 9/9/2011 9a.m KL time, UOB sells 1/10 oz Gold Eagle for RM716.19 without GST(tax) while mine goes for RM661.61). And you also will not lose money on foreign exchange, since I am using direct exchange from Google.com + you don't have to go all the way to Singapore.

this is the receipt from gainesvillecoins.com themselves: http://i.imgur.com/sSueN.png
I will give you the informations (order # etc) when we COD which is at Cyberjaya or Bangi.



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hongchai888
post Sep 9 2011, 09:03 PM

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QUOTE(mingophoria @ Sep 9 2011, 08:56 PM)
Oo mayb i will bumb into u some time in UOB melaka branch...haha wink.gif

Gold increasing again abit  =.=
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I sense it will increase back to 1880 later, sigh.
keii-kun
post Sep 9 2011, 09:22 PM

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nvm lo, if the price goes up , i.e > RM180 then no trade - no loss for now smile.gif

if an investment makes u unable to sleep well at night, then it is not for u.

buy physical and you can have gold dream every night brows.gif
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post Sep 9 2011, 09:23 PM

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Hey all, I jet got some gold from a dealer but realized bank rates@uob is cheaper...I got pamp lady Fortuna...would like to ask how is bank cheaper then many suppliers I've seen and what type of gold are the banks selling? Certified pamp gold too? And bank does physical gold too or just gold papers?
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post Sep 9 2011, 09:49 PM

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QUOTE(GodsLove @ Sep 9 2011, 09:23 PM)
Hey all, I jet got some gold from a dealer but realized bank rates@uob is cheaper...I got pamp lady Fortuna...would like to ask how is bank cheaper then many suppliers I've seen and what type of gold are the banks selling? Certified pamp gold too? And bank does physical gold too or just gold papers?
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Pamp lady fortuna is a sealed and certified gold bar bro. that's why its more expensive.
not sure about lady fortuna, but uob sells maple, nuggets, kangaroo, s'pore lions while maybank sells kijang emas.
maybank, uob, pbb, cimb, kfh all got gold investment account (paper gold)
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post Sep 9 2011, 10:04 PM

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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Sep 9 2011, 08:01 PM)
lustman, looking for physical ar-rahnu kah?

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i want to keep some dinar KGT for myself and in the meantime ar-rahnu them as well. actually i've been longing for some time but now it seem they're out of stock.

only dinat kgt and oneasia gold are approved by BNM. honestly i don't understand by "approved". are other dinars no value? no i don't think so.

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post Sep 9 2011, 10:10 PM

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QUOTE(lustman @ Sep 9 2011, 10:04 PM)
i want to keep some dinar KGT for myself and in the meantime ar-rahnu them as well. actually i've been longing for some time but now it seem they're out of stock.

only dinat kgt and oneasia gold are approved by BNM. honestly i don't understand by "approved". are other dinars no value? no i don't think so.
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for dinar kelantan / kgt i think you can get from nubex. was there on tuesday and saw this ustaz was collecting almost 100dinar rolleyes.gif

it is not really BNM approval, its bank rakyat's policy to prevent abuse of ar-rahnu. try calling nubex, they are open on tuesday at damansara perdana
mingophoria
post Sep 9 2011, 10:15 PM

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QUOTE(hongchai888 @ Sep 9 2011, 09:03 PM)
I sense it will increase back to 1880 later, sigh.
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now US and euro stock market mostly red....

bad for gold.... cry.gif
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post Sep 9 2011, 10:16 PM

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QUOTE(mingophoria @ Sep 9 2011, 10:15 PM)
now US and euro stock market mostly red....

bad for gold....    cry.gif
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Why bad for gold?

Gold will rise leh???

hmm.gif hmm.gif

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post Sep 9 2011, 10:26 PM

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QUOTE(technotrading @ Sep 9 2011, 09:49 PM)
Pamp lady fortuna is a sealed and certified gold bar bro. that's why its more expensive.
not sure about lady fortuna, but uob sells maple, nuggets, kangaroo, s'pore lions while maybank sells kijang emas.
maybank, uob, pbb, cimb, kfh all got gold investment account (paper gold)
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How would those gold from the bank value be as compared to pamp gold when you sell or when financial crisis comes? Since some are not well recognize? Bank sells in 10,20,50 grams bullions only? Sorry for some noob question but I just started...
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QUOTE(keii-kun @ Sep 9 2011, 09:22 PM)
nvm lo, if the price goes up , i.e > RM180 then no trade - no loss for now smile.gif

if an investment makes u unable to sleep well at night, then it is not for u.

buy physical and you can have gold dream every night brows.gif
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Haha bro. Well said. Today UOB gold closure at RM 182.50, If price maintain USD 1850 until market close, then the rate on Monday should be around 178-179.
Correct me if I am wrong.
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post Sep 9 2011, 10:37 PM

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QUOTE(chengcheng @ Sep 9 2011, 10:16 PM)
Why bad for gold?

Gold will rise leh???

hmm.gif  hmm.gif
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Gold price will be the opposite of stock market....... market up...gold down..... market down... gold up....... If gold up, hard to buy... lol but good for those who bought at a cheap price laugh.gif

Gold price like roller coaster now... sudden up...sudden down.... hard to predict..... just need to wait for the right time to restock gold icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 10 2011, 02:56 AM

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Is there any overseas sites like apmex that ships to Malaysia? Need a few tongue.gif
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post Sep 10 2011, 03:31 AM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Sep 9 2011, 03:30 PM)
Yes its very high. Its about RM7.43 compared to RM2 only for UOB. I wouldnt wanna pay the extra spread just to get the convenience of online transaction.
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Hi,

It means there is charges of RM7.43 for each gram of gold that we buy/sell though Public bank online?

May I know maybank have online trading for gold as well? If yes, is there any charges ?

Thanks.,, Plan to buy some on monday as starter kid. blush.gif im new... blush.gif

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post Sep 10 2011, 11:29 AM

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in a way...that's the 'charges or fees' la...

so you buy from bank at their 'Sell' price...

then when you want to sell back the gold to the bank..the bank buy back from you at 'Buy' price...

so the difference is called spread.... and the RM7.43 is the spread...which is the profit the bank earns for doing this transaction... smile.gif



QUOTE(caseyhoo @ Sep 10 2011, 03:31 AM)
Hi,

It means there is charges of RM7.43 for each gram of gold that we buy/sell though Public bank online?

May I know maybank have online trading for gold as well? If yes, is there any charges ?

Thanks.,, Plan to buy some on monday as starter kid.  blush.gif im new...  blush.gif
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post Sep 10 2011, 11:33 AM

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QUOTE(hongchai888 @ Sep 9 2011, 08:02 PM)
Gold drop due to due to Strengthening of USD

http://66.38.218.33/kitco-gold-index.html

I am expecting 175 on Monday, then restock gao gao  thumbup.gif
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From what I see Obama plan won't strengthen USD much for the coming year 2012 and gold will still goes up.

Gold up, down, up, down now like mountain and hill in days but in the long term, 6 month to 1 year the profit return for sure.
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post Sep 10 2011, 11:38 AM

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different view are respected. sometimes, i sound harsh, I apologise up front.

1. It's a question of timing. Many argue whether it is a slow death or quick death.

Quick Death.
Nuclear war. If that the case, then spend most your $ now.

Slow Death.
This one susah.


rite now in Malaysia I think we still have some time as long as no racist riot.
as a peak oil believer, I don;t think much about property and stock. cause I believe they are the first to fail when economy collapse.

http://www.amazon.com/Modern-Survival-Manu...c/dp/9870563457
this book will give you a good picture on how things look like.
but for malaysia U may need to consider that we have malay, chinese and indian. How will each of them interact during crises remain to be seen.

the safest place to be is in Borneo Sarawak deep in the jungle where you grow your own food. iban community

2nd safest place like Sibu, etc. Chinese Community
given the chances if you can let go everything here, and have enough cash to settle down on places with established community all

places like Pahang with small town: Malay community. plant rice, rear itik, ayam, kambing.


problem; land is too expensive to buy.
land takes 3-5 years to stabilizes and start producing enough food.

that the way I see at things.

the rest of the things, no need to consider. There is no oil or any other energy to run it.

for gold, its a question of timing. when to dispose, definitely something to consider in 2012 - 2015.


QUOTE(wongmunkeong @ Sep 9 2011, 02:34 PM)
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Yup yup, i know and agree with U (already lar) about cash and printing + banking systems generating ghost numbers based on debts/loans/deposits.

It's the "gold is everything - bestest in the world" which i differ in opinion.
If a person is so worried about the collapse of governments and countries' economies cash currencies that one invests/buys only gold and not any other assets, think about the aftermath:
a. If it doesnt happen
oh oh..... totally "sai lang" / "show hand" approach, all eggs in one basket/asset class... and if it shoots up (heaven is a place on earth), if it falls (hell is a place on earth). Just too much of a roller-coaster ride for my old heart heheh.

b. If it does happen
Until things settle down and an exchange rate is set (for whatever is going to the the value of exchange like gold?)
Holy crap! No businesses running, no value exchange other than barter (until things settle down yar)
Er.. anyone wants to trade their 5kg rice for 1gram of gold? 5gms? Please? anyone?
Gas cylinders for 1gram? 2 grams?
ooo.. what about weapons and secured dwelling to protect oneself's family, physical gold/silver/platinum/sea shells/salt cubes and stuff?

Of course that will only last for "awhile" (i'm being sarcastic yar tongue.gif) until the country/world starts being civilized again, commerce re-starts and we do things better than barter system.

In addition, i wonder what will happen to people that invested in properties & equities? All koyak - no more land, building & businesses?
Of course those who are holding FDs, Bonds and Money Market accounts all koyak lar.
What about those who are "investing" in gold via Gold Accounts? definitely wiped out too as banks collapses?
Seriously bro, if it does happen, gold vs cash vs other asset classes would be one of my last concerns

c. If it semi-happens (ie. hyper inflation and stuff - the usual kaka)
Bad case: price of Gold goes up, government tries to confiscate, down with the government, revolution, etc., leads to (b) above i think
So-so case: Inflation runs rampant, ppl still use cash, gold prices goes up but so does equities that people want/are in demand (eg. food producing companies, plantations, consumer staples, etc). Thus not only gold prices goes up during this time? I'm unsure - touch wood i've not been in a DEPRESSION like in the US 1930s-1940s. Er.. i think neither have any fellows here in the forum tongue.gif


Just a thought. Of course, it's definitely your God given rights to believe solely in gold bro. This is a forum to share point of views and opinions yar biggrin.gif  notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(GoldChan @ Sep 10 2011, 11:38 AM)
for gold, its a question of timing. when to dispose, definitely something to consider in 2012 - 2015.
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Buy, keep, long term profit far more better ROI compare to FD & saving %.

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