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post Nov 5 2013, 01:41 PM

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QUOTE(ladyhat @ Nov 2 2013, 11:07 PM)
Nemanis bro, mind sharing which age group are u in now, early/ mid/ late 20s or 30s? I am sharing the same concerns too and why I want to migrate, in the past I was keen but still 50-50, but in the past couple of years I started becoming parents and looking at all things happening, my 50 to stay back had almost dropped to nil. But my struggle now is I am 40yo now, I am willing to forego all I have built in Msia, career, salary, status to exchange a more affordable, quality and fair education for my children, but at the same time worrying if Oz today is still as good as people who migrated many years ago claimed, reading the threads here I am a little worried. Job securing is another concern, I know I definitely won't get the same opportunity as I have here, I have lowered my own expectation and ready to switch profession. Would appreciate some feedback from people who have gone through the same struggle and some share of experience.
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Pls don't be stupid and esp. if you are currently living a privilege life in msia. To give it up and settle for a life of mediocrity in aus and using yr children education is pathetic. People migrate to have a better life not one that is worse than what you are currently enjoying. Further at 40 yr chances of landing a job in a different career path will be close to nil.

As for children education you can always send them overseas to study. As you have a decent pay and prospect in msia i don't see why not. And if you think aus is "affordable" for the same living std you are enjoying in msia, you must be dreaming. And if you are considering lowering yr expectation and living std why bother migrating in the first place? Children education? See above. Future? Unless you are in natural resources, i foresee none for aus. Yr children will live in a very bleak future in aus if they are not in the natural resources industry.
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post Nov 6 2013, 10:07 PM

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Nov 6 2013, 09:16 AM)
You're missing the point. The reason getting PR for children education is the fees is very much lower. If you're citizens here, children will enjoy very low uni fees. If you're studying in malaysia in Ozzie uni, they still charge you on foreign fees but at cheaper rate in RM.
Don't forget, once your children having the degree, is he/she still serving the BN gomen managed country? Is he/she still submit tax to the mismanagement BN administration? Are they able to payback all the uni fees or still in debts before start work? How bout pension?

Few major factor parents in malaysia facing:-
1) Children education fees till uni
2) Pension (EPF?I don't think so)
3) House?
4) Cars?
5) Food
6) Salary (Employment guarantee till u die, but low salary)

Another few major factor Ozzie parents facing:-
1) Tax
2) House
3) Utilities (elec & water damn expensive)
4) Salary (Employment not very guarantee but earn high salary)
5) Council levy

Anyone who wish to add, please highlight. Hope this will give you idea on migrating or not
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Again, the point being, if you're making good money in Malaysia, item 1-6 is not a problem.

And I do not think normal Aussies, outside certain sector (like natural resources and niche IT areas) are making all that much. An ex-banking friend of mine makes ard AUD40k-AUD50k p.a. Which is about AUD3-4k p.m. before taxes and various deductions. After tax and various deductions, barely enough to survive. You just don't get to save much in Aus. Food is also expensive in Aus if you go for chinese although portion size is bigger.

But if you think you can make good money in Australia, for safety (relatively), get away from the talibanisation, institutionalised racism of Malaysia then by all means.

This post has been edited by robertchoo: Nov 6 2013, 10:19 PM
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QUOTE(Showtime747 @ Nov 6 2013, 07:58 PM)
Yes I know I was missing the main point of this thread. I was commenting because I saw some people considering migrating to Australia solely because of children's future education. The parents will be missing their career in Malaysia. They may be giving up >RM20k per month salary (both husband + wife working) or maybe more, and heads to some foreign countries with a lot of uncertainty. The tuition fees for eg. Monash business course is "only" RM32k

How much lower is the fees for PR's children in Australia high school and university ? Does it really worth to migrate just for the RM32k ?

Migrating to a great country like Australia is a good choice. For the life style, for the true democracy, for the 1st world country status, for many other reasons else etc. I was just pointing out migrating solely for the reason of children's education is a lot of sacrifice. With their career in tact in Malaysia, they may still be able to provide their children with Australian tertiary education without migrating
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Further, if you're making good money in Malaysia, your children can have more choices i.e. Unis in USA or UK or Europe or even China/HK.
In Australia, unless you are making equally good money, your child is stuck with Australian education. Not saying its not good, but there are lesser options.

So at the end of the day, money still, makes the world go round.

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:28 AM)
My parents have a career in Malaysia, but not to the extend of RM 20k per month.

My mum works quite high up the rank with the government, but only like RM 6-7k per month only.  cry.gif

The only person I know earns RM 20k per month is like the General Manager of an organisation with 600+ employee. The rest ... senior manager.. maybe only RM 10k. The General manager is like 50+, while the senior manager is like late 30s.

That means my whole family should migrate since we're not so successful in Malaysia?  sad.gif
If by good money means RM 20k per month, then I really should migrate.  sad.gif
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You can. But can you get the same sort of after tax pay in aus? If yes, by all means.
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post Nov 8 2013, 11:04 AM

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:31 AM)
IMHO I would have more choices, freedom and opportunities if I had an Australian citizenship. Let me tell you what I face:
- I want to teach English in Japan, just for an short-term experience ----> Cannot!! Because I do not a citizenship from an English speaking country;
- I want to apply for a working holiday visa in Canada, to experience/travel in North America ----> Cannot!! Because I'm not a citizen of Australia, NZ, Nordic countries or Japan.

It's undeniable that holding an Australian citizenship has a better reputation than a Malaysian citizenship. Being educated (primary & secondary) in Australia is also better in terms of reputation than educated in Malaysia. Primary & secondary education in some advance countries also include music, like piano or violin in class, something that I never had. Australia also offers foreign languages class like French, Spanish, Italian, German ... something that I ... unfortunately also never had.  cry.gif
edit: meanwhile in Malaysia, must score A1 in pendidikan moral just to secure a scholarship!!

My dream is to hold multiple citizenships, so that I can have more freedom!! tongue.gif
PR is not sufficient because I don't plan to stay in Australia for a long term, and it cannot be renewed if I do not stay in Australia for enough days.
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Holding an american citizenship and certain european citizenship would make you liable for worldwide taxes. Means you have to pay tax to the home country regardless if your income is derived from or outside the country. Holding multiple citizenship means you pay taxes multiple times unless those country has a tax treaty.


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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 11:07 AM)
Exactly!! Which is why I'm not looking to take up US citizenship.

I've also looked at the tax treaties, and in some advanced countries, you're not liable unless you stay more than 183 days in that country.
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That's also assuming those countries would even want to look into your pr/citizenship application. Unless you have alot of money or posses very niche skill in demand chances are very slim. Even countries like SG who traditionally welcome foreigners are tightening their immigration laws. So what do u have to offer?
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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 11:18 AM)
Nothing ...

I just want to live sufficiently long in each desired country and apply for their citizenship. It's a dream anyway .. the easiest is you get married multiple times.  tongue.gif
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Then its just not going to happen.

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QUOTE(TSOM @ Nov 8 2013, 10:33 PM)
No lah .. I don't plan to settle in Japan. I just want to experience the lifestyle & culture of Japan. Won't be staying longer than 1 year. I'd never get used with their excessive formality. That's why I'm looking for a simple job that roughly enough for me to travel & experience Japan. Japan government has exchange program to cater for this need, so that ppl from other countries can come to experience their country, sadly it is restricted by nationality.

As for Australia/Canada, just want to work/live to experience it. Max I'll stay is 5 or 6 years. Getting their citizenship(s) is like a "to-do-list" or "bucket list". Nothing more!!

I'm definitely settling down here in Europe. That's for sure!!
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Are you sure?
Even if you get in - its a big IF (coz no european country today is stupid enough to give out PRs/Citizenship to others when they can't even feed their own)
You want to join the mass herd of unemployed?
You want to feel what it's like sleeping on streets? or depending on other's charity to survive?
In fact many europeans are flooding Asia to look for a job.
You wanting to go the opposite way seems a little...weird.
Its no longer a nice place to be. The good easy life in Europe in over.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 10 2013, 10:35 PM)
Or you rather pay lower tax with lots of crime?
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Don't know where you get the idea that crime in Australia is less than Malaysia
Stats here: http://www.nationmaster.com/compare/Australia/Malaysia/Crime

In summary Burglaries are 14x more than Malaysia and car thefts are 149% more than Malaysia

I'm not saying Malaysia is safe but neither is Australia considering the amount of taxes you pay.

Just becuase you spent lesser amount of time in Australia and don't have many friends who reported these things does not mean Australia is safe
Its a law of probability.
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QUOTE(wayne.chin @ Nov 11 2013, 10:10 PM)
do you sure the malaysian statistic is accurate enuf to do comparison???

y no statistic on snaatch thieves???

and how bout smash n grab cases???
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Don't know but i doubt nationmaster is a malaysian company hence i do not think there is biasness. (they do it for a multitude of countries as well)

As far as data integrity is concern, maybe you want to drop them an e-mail instead. I'm sure they have a controls in place (but to expect 100% accuracy is not feasible). In summary it is a good guide is all i'm saying.

Anyhow you choose to look at it, stats are stats. Numbers don't lie. People do.
Once again I stress that I'm not saying Malaysia is safe. But neither does it suggest that Australia is, too

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QUOTE(divine061 @ Nov 12 2013, 07:56 AM)
What is wrong with higher tax bracket? It just means you are getting more income, and I'll always welcome more income and pay more tax any day. Furthermore, there are so many ways to legally reduce tax and it is not uncommon to reduce it by 60%-70%.
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BS. Income has nothing to do with taxes. Its purely a function of supply and demand unless yr on min wage. Im surprised someone like u fail to get something simple like that yet aspire/is working for ib. To put it simply to u so u can understand, an investment banker in SG will earn ALOT more than an ibanker in aus simply bcoz SG has a demand for these ppl as a financial hub.
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 12 2013, 12:02 AM)
I get the idea from my own eyes. And I believe your source is outdated

I also don't think with my 5 years of living in Australia, 1 group of Malaysia friends and many close ex-colleagues are less though. Who are you to judge me anyway?

I can simply provide more source but I only give you this one which is at the first page in Google. Go figure
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/gmaps_rankings_country.jsp

Urban area may have lots of crime rate but do you really want to stay there for long just to experience the crime?

I know you are not stupid so stop getting the facts wrong
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Granted the data may be outdated. But facts are facts. Its as good a guide as any.
Whether a crime happens to you or not also depends on the law of probability. Because you spent a longer amount of time in malaysia, the probability of u being in the wrong place wrong time is higher. Also bcoz u know alot more ppl in malaysia as compared yo australia, incidences of friends encountering crime is also higher.

But that in no way indicates that australia is safe.
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QUOTE(divine061 @ Nov 12 2013, 09:44 AM)
ib = investment banker? Me? When did I mention I am/was/will be one? What does demand for a specific job have to do with personal income taxes anyway.
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The more the demand the less the supply = the more the pay. The inverse holds true too. Its simple basic economics!
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 12 2013, 11:23 AM)
Again, get your facts right first. Stop twisting around. It makes you look like a fool.

10years ago(your source most likely ten years ago)  in Malaysia is a lot different compare to now. I can ride bicycle in the midnight alone to back home without worries but not now any more.

And sorry, I get the crime rate from news rather than my friend so stop giving out your random assumption again
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I do not own nor am i related or hold any interest in nationmaster.com.
so why do you say i am twisting facts?
Is it because of your utter refusal to accept facts presented in front of you.
if you deny it fine. Show me proof.
if you have nothing to back up your conclusions better shut up otherwise it'll just show what a fool you are.

And i've said its a guide. For people with understanding difficulties like you better stay in msia. Aus and SG are not suitable for u
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Nov 12 2013, 12:39 PM)
So you provided the source but then you are not iinterested? So you just copy the link without really read it?

I remember you said Australia is very bad in every way compare to Malaysia, bla bla bla, but nowyou asked me tto stay in Malaysia because of lack of understanding? Does that mean Australian have better understanding than Malaysia? Are you trying to twist your words again?

I think Ishould ignore you once again. No point to see you keep twisting yyour own words
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Quote when did I say Australia is bad in every way compared to Malaysia?
I provided the source becuase I think it is necessary to dispel the rumours that Australia is safe as many claimed.
And I've also explicitly said that I did not think Malaysia is safe.

I asked you to stay in Malaysia becuase if you cannot carry an argument with facts to at least back your conclusion, you are better off in malaysia becuase you are going to fail in Aus and SG with that mentality.

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Nov 12 2013, 02:11 PM)
I doubt robert comment. seems he don't really understand what he's talking about. Different channel i guess
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Don't doubt me.
Like i say i don't own the website.
I'm just a messanger. You don't kill the messanger.
It serves no purpose.
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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Nov 13 2013, 11:39 AM)
Now u get some info from somewhere which u dun really look at it. Throwing some outdated shit & bullshitting everywhere.
For me its a irresponsible act.
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Outdated maybe but how do you conclude its bullshit?
You got up to date stats to rebuff the stats shown? If yes, i want to see it too

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QUOTE(Soony @ Nov 13 2013, 11:54 AM)
To be honest I don't see anything as bullshit. Like what the professors always say, no ideas or questions are dumb or ridiculous. I'm pretty sure those who plans to migrate would have a certain level of intellectual to differentiate what is useful and not useful for them. There's no need to call people names and I have to stress that it is very unethical. =) All the best in the future discussion, I'm in no position to talk about the safety issues in both Australia and Malaysia.
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Precisely.
If Nemesis thinks its bullshit, fine. Show me up todate stats that suggest otherwise.
Instead he has chosen the typical Malaysian politician way to rebuff people by calling them names, character assasination, etc instead of providing concrete evidence to back his cconclusions, which was precisely one of the reasons why he chose to get out of m'sia in the first place. Bravo!

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QUOTE(Nemesis1980 @ Nov 13 2013, 11:39 AM)
Now u get some info from somewhere which u dun really look at it. Throwing some outdated shit & bullshitting everywhere.
For me its a irresponsible act.
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Just to add on to that, the report below suggest that Australia has the highest police recorded rape case compared to a list of countries.
Once again attacking me is pointless as these reports are available internationally.
http://www.civitas.org.uk/crime/crime_stats_oecdjan2012.pdf
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QUOTE(wayne.chin @ Nov 13 2013, 12:22 PM)
no point bash out each others here... all stats is for guidance...

http://www.numbeo.com/crime/compare_cities...ur&city2=Sydney

above shows the crime index between KL & Sydney...

every country has its own problems...

if someone choose to migrate must have consider all aspects and think wat is good for them...

but we cannot deny that Malaysia Gov has burden the Rakyat all this while...
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Using the same source, suprisingly Perth, Melbourne and Cairns in Australia have higher crime index than Jakarta, Indonesia!
Holy cow! Taking about being worse than Jakarta!
http://www.numbeo.com/crime/rankings.jsp

The cities KL and JB was expected. Nobody says Msia was safe. Kuching's high ratings was a surprise though.

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