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post Jul 19 2014, 09:24 PM

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QUOTE(selvenz @ Jul 19 2014, 06:56 PM)
No one gives a f what you drive, or where you work or how much you have in the bank.
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that part is not all true

every country will have people who are materialistic to some degree

it may be true that in regional areas people care less about these things... but in Sydney, Canberra, Melbourne, other capital cities, there are plenty of people who care as much as those in Kuala Lumpur

the difference maybe is that you don't have to run as fast to catch whatever it is you're after... and depending on what you do, second place can be a good compromise
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post Jul 26 2014, 09:59 AM

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I know apartments cost a lot, close to a mil. Even the cheap ones (which are tiny) are upwards of 600k.

How much pay do I need before I even start considering buying a house?

People tell me 6 months, 1-2 years of working... my pay is only avg right now, but I'm happy with it, and just to be in Sydney.

Should I get PR locked down before I think about those things? How much do I need saved up, as it could be 1.5 or 2 years to get a PR.
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post Jul 26 2014, 12:32 PM

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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Jul 26 2014, 12:02 PM)
Of course get PR first before buying house. Im not sure if first home buyer scheme still available but buying a house with PR has less hassle

3 br nice(not luxury or whatever they called)apartment around Melbourne CBD normally cost around $800k. I will make sure I will not spend more than 40% of my salary on the house repayment though
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cheap sia like that for melb

although 3 br sounds like 3 small rooms

40%, quite low. haha, need to grind longer
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post Jul 27 2014, 11:44 AM

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QUOTE(Yodatan @ Jul 26 2014, 09:54 PM)
there was a recent RBA article that shows, if you do the calculation the interest u pay on a home loan over 20-25 years is actually more than what you pay for the house, if you do the compounding interest calculation...
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well in theory this is how a loan works

you need to borrow 1 mil from the bank, so at the start of the loan the balance you owe the bank is 1 mil

an interest rate is set (assume fixed on average as variable would make this example too complex), say 7%.

the rate calculates what monthly/annual repayment you need to make. it also calculates what % of that payment is interest, and what is principal (which reduces the 1 mil balance)

so if you look at the $ number of what you're paying in interest over 30 years, yes it's gonna be sky high, because you will keep paying 7% on the 1 mil, 900k, 800k whatever is left until it goes down to zero. because the balance is reducing, at the initial stages you will be paying so much more interest back than principal, so your loan goes down slowly

in theory though, this is simply borrowing a large sum from the bank, nothing more. the rate is the price you pay for the financial freedom to own a house, live in it or rent it out, and still have money left over to spend on other things

at the end of the day you are still only borrowing 1 mil, not 2 mil or 3 mil. time is expensive, and 30 years is a long time. the profit the bank makes is 7% less whatever it costs them to borrow the money, and run the bank's operations, and the losses that occur when people default.

QUOTE(Yodatan @ Jul 26 2014, 09:59 PM)
First home owner grant now only for newly built homes....meaning you have to either buy a new development or build your own property...

$7k in victoria if im not wrong, and no need to pay stamp duty (which can come up to substantial savings)
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gd to know, thanks... I'm in NSW and a long way away from owning a home, I think
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post Jul 28 2014, 05:28 AM

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QUOTE(empire23 @ Jul 27 2014, 09:46 PM)
Depends really, but if you want to borrow 600k you're looking at 3.5k worth of repayment a month across 30 year on average. For around that mark you're looking at a nett rent of 500 a week or 2k a month. So you must ask if you cough up that 1.5k every month (which will usually include some form of LMI and insurance which drives the figure up)

If you're considering doing it as an investment and like me are fine to live in a cardboard box because the company takes care of my lodging 80 percent of the time (my rent is only 400 a month and my makan costs 200), I would say you can take the plunge around 80 to 90k per annum, assuming that you're using some form of negative gearing and reinjecting gains back into the property.

You should get a PR as anyone under a TR will need to jump through the extra hoops put in place by the FIRB and restricts the kind of property you can buy. If you want to buy any property unrestricted by FIRB regulations you'll have to live in it, which defeats the purpose of an investment.
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Thanks for sharing.

That amount of repayment is definitely not affordable in my position, even if you gave me a few years. And not owning any home means I would probably buy to stay rather than invest (because it is expensive to rent a decent place even for 1 person).
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post Jul 30 2014, 05:40 PM

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QUOTE(cybermaster98 @ Jul 28 2014, 11:34 PM)
Im in my early 30's, fairly settled in Malaysia with a good job and reasonably secure financially. But seeing how tis country is slowly rotting, im seriously considering migration to either Australia or Europe (Germany). Ive travelled extensively in Europe and have been seriously evaluating multiple options to facilitate migration to Germany. Australia is an easier option but i have a few concerns:

1) General economic outlook for Australia
2) Rising unemployment
3) Difficulty in securing a long term job (technical field) compared to Germany

Im open to views.
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Australia's economy is not doing beautifully. But look around. Malaysia? Brunei? Western Europe? Africa? Australia has done very well (or gotten very lucky) in the past few years. It hasn't faced a single recession in some 20 years, if I'm not wrong.

It certainly isn't on the brink of a massive crisis like some European economies. I think there might be a very small but potentially harmful systemic risk, something like the situation in Canada. But the authorities have things under control.

Unemployment in Europe is not going to be great when immigrants are flooding into Germany looking for jobs. Surely you've noticed this.

QUOTE(carefree @ Jul 30 2014, 04:52 PM)
Hey Everyone,
I am hoping that those who are already working in NSW could share some opinion on my case. I am currently working in Singapore and am already a SPR. But recently there’s a company in NSW (suburbs) that offered me a job with a $75k package. I have always wanted to go to Au to work but the thing is, the salary package offered is actually lower than what I get in SG (even after taking the currency exchange into account). Well of course there’re many other factors to consider apart from salary package alone such as House, Car, Living Expenses, and Lifestyle. So my question is, will 75k suffice in Au?
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With 75k you can live very comfortably, and yes you would even be able to support a partner. But things like an expensive car, owning a house in a nice location are gonna have to wait.
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post Aug 10 2014, 09:45 PM

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Working in Australia is good.

Entry level professional. Reasonable hours, but must study. Difficult and challenging work, but positive culture and good supervisors.

Average pay, but can afford nice food, nice accommodation, and decent lifestyle.
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QUOTE(Gazprom200 @ Aug 12 2014, 12:41 PM)
The key word here is entry level professionals. So if you are planning to remain at entry level well into your 40s, then yeah, i guess Australia would be a good place
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what do u mean, is it not good for higher level?

i don't really see any problems
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post Aug 13 2014, 05:15 PM

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QUOTE(zheng88 @ Aug 12 2014, 05:04 PM)
One of the highest income taxes in the world and many like Rupert Murdoch preferred to make a home outside Australia.
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you sure about that?

I am not 100% sure but I read a relatively recent report that compared Australia's tax rates with other OECD or developed countries and Australia's rates were not amongst those identified as being the highest.

Not sure if they are higher than Australia's but Scandinavian and British tax rates are very high too. US citizens get taxed twice.
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post Aug 15 2014, 05:04 PM

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I live in a strata apt building (renting) and some asshole has parked their car in my garage (somehow bypassing the lock/remote control access). The parking spots are tied to the apartment unit (assigned).

Agent kns, parking operator won't do anything. Building management are cooperative and sincere but don't really have the power to do anything.

Any tips what I can do? Call police? Don't even know if police will help.
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post Aug 16 2014, 12:03 PM

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Thanks for replies.

QUOTE(zammy87 @ Aug 16 2014, 07:28 AM)
you could check what your lease agreement says about parking. but if said 'garage' is lawfully your property during the period of lease then I would think that it's trespassing?
This might help

http://www.dlg.nsw.gov.au/dlg/dlghome/docu...ion/vehicle.pdf
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Lease includes the parking spaces but doesn't have it in that detail. It is trespassing (not common property) but point is no one will do anything about it. Not common so not building or police problem. Costly to extract.

QUOTE(empire23 @ Aug 16 2014, 11:08 AM)
Key old mate's car.

Duh.
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Wish I could but they would know it was me and it wouldn't be good for the cars that will be legally parked there now and in future.
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post Aug 17 2014, 06:24 PM

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QUOTE(Yodatan @ Aug 17 2014, 02:05 PM)
I can suggest some seriously viable options:

Leave a polite note and ask them not to do it again.

You will be surprised that in Australia this might actually work, but obviously this might not work. So other options are:

1. get a jack and jack up the front wheel or hire a tow truck, tow it out and push it out to the middle of the main road

2. Call a current affair / today tonight or one of those trashy shows who will put your problem onto the 7pm primetime TV nationwide
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the first idea is employed by many people... in my case though the car is not on the same level as the main road and it would be harder to do, even if I wanted to do it

turns out they had a matching key and they thought it was their spot, major confusion. still not solved because it's their mate's car and he's away

QUOTE(mules @ Aug 17 2014, 02:32 PM)
Change the lock
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hard to do when ur not the owner
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post Aug 18 2014, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(zammy87 @ Aug 18 2014, 04:40 PM)
Is the OC doing anything about it?

I'm assuming the source of the confusion is because someone in the OC gave out duplicate keys. What I would suggest is to send the OC a letter saying you are claiming for costs for temporary parking 'quote daily rate of nearest car park' times x number of days, you can also add the cost of getting a tow truck to remove the car. Say that you are claiming for costs incurred for the negligence of your employee. I think that would be sufficient to scare them into
notifying their insurance co and send out an adjuster.
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you're right it is the OC's domain

this is my first time renting outside so I guess it's good 'experience' dealing with all this

have to go through building mgmt to get to OC, and tho the guy is great it really gets hard if your agent is non-cooperative (or non-existent) and the OC is so far removed (and which I've been told, won't really do anything)

and it was the 'wrong keys' situation, which has caused me the trouble
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QUOTE(selvenz @ Aug 19 2014, 08:10 AM)
Pls remember whatever points you are claiming for employment must be assessed and verified by relevant assessment body. And also backed up with letters pay skips etc. Cause if you submit with high points and get chosen but can't back it up. Your application will be refused and money paid forfeited.

Pls read and re read the requirements. Many have been burnt and a fortune lost for over claiming points.

For 190 you just need 60 not more. As soon as state sponsor you the invite is automatic
For 189 you need 60 to qualify but more points to get invite faster. Cause its based on higher point for invite.
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Hi, can I ask you a question? About 189/190.

For my case the skills assessment body (Vetassess) has extra documents (letters that cost extra) that relate to assessing the work experience part. These are in addition to the "skills" assessment. I won't be applying now, but it will be in a few months.

What I want to ask is, does the work experience counted in the points need to be assessed by the body? Thing is, the experience is already part of the "skills" part (you cannot qualify for a standalone skills assessment under the occupation without some work experience).
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QUOTE(prancingHORSE @ Aug 20 2014, 12:24 PM)
I think you are talking about VETASSESS' Point Test Advisory (PTA) letter, which cost an additional minimum $80. First question for you: do you have additional experience over and above the minimum experience required? For example, to be assessed positively by VETASSESS for your occupation you may need at least one year experience, but you have more than three years experience and you intend to claim additional points for that (extra 5 points for more than 3 years relevant overseas experience, for example). If that is the case, my advice would be to just pay the amount and get PTA, it will be much easier for DIBP to confirm your claimed points especially if they can rely on the PTA. Get the PTA, let VETASSESS perform the necessary due diligence on your experience and opine that your more than 3 years work experience are relevant to your nominated occupation. Naturally the officer from DIBP will find it easier to process your application since your experience is assessed already for your claimed points.

If you do not have more than 3 years relevant experience, then you do not need the PTA since it will be pointless to you. VETASSESS' standard assessment for skilled migration would assess your basic requirements for your nominated occupation, ie. relevant bachelors degree and at least one year relevant experience.

Also to note, PTA also opines on whether your bachelor degree is equivalent of an Australian bachelor degree. If you are claiming points for this and if your bachelors degree is foreign, then the PTA might be useful to the DIBP officer to confirm your 5 points claimed for a Australia equivalent bachelors degree.

Hope this helps. Good luck.
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Thanks for replying!

Yes, my skills assessment has a minimum experience component (1 year). As I did a partial, qualification-only assessment for my 485 visa, I will be doing a post-485 'top up' assessment for the 189/190 (form here http://www.vetassess.com.au/Portals/0/Down...Application.pdf with the documents part on page 16).

So I want to claim points for an Australian qualification +15 (should have no problem here), plus the Australian study requirement +5, plus a year of experience +5 (which is the same that must be counted for the skills assessment).

The thing which confused me was the 'additional advisory letter', so do you think I will need it?

One more question, how does one actually get a state nomination for the 190, at what stage does one get it (after EOI?) and how does one go about it?

Thanks
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post Aug 20 2014, 07:23 PM

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QUOTE(prancingHORSE @ Aug 20 2014, 06:13 PM)
I assume your one year of experience is in Australia, if that is true, your idea of points which you can claim sounds fine.

If you really wish to save that $80, well alright I would save it too if I was you, because it seems that you have a definite Australian degree and have definitely resided in Australia while pursuing this degree. One year work experience is captured/assessed as part of VETASSESS' standard general skilled migration assessment, so it seems that there is no need for a Point Test Advisory letter at all.

Yes, each state processes their state sponsorship applications separately. But the gist of the process is like this: 1) lodge EOI with DIBP, and then 2) lodge state sponsorship application. In the EOI, you will have to indicate which visa sublass you're keen on (189 and/or 190 etc), if you indicate 190, you will be asked which state specifically, to which you can answer "any" or a specific state. After having done so, the state immigration guys will be able to see you in the SkillSelect system that you have indicated your interest to be sponsored by that particular state - this is just state immigration having access to your EOI, this does not mean they will process. To get them to process, you need to lodge an application with the state immigration on their website and the requirements/process varies according to state. I strongly suggest, if you have a target state in mind, to check out that state's immigration website. I know the state I am familiar with sets out the process clearly, and I highly doubt other states would not have the same clear guideline set out on their website.

Hit me up via PM if you have more personal questions to ask. Otherwise, best we discuss here for everyone's benefit.
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Yep, discuss here is fine. You're right, $80 is not much in the bigger scheme of things, although my previous visa application process was complicated enough and I don't want to make the next one messier by adding stuff I don't need (or leaving out important stuff). Plus there are all those other costs like another medical etc, and the top up skills assessment already costs another bomb.

Coming back to that, on that form under the 'Additional Advisory Letter for DIBP to consider a claim for points in the GSM Points Test' section there is also a 'Australian qualification' option in addition to the employment option. I know I can call the agency to ask (and I will later), but if you are familiar, do I need these then?

Two other big questions I'd like to ask you, should I do medical before EOI, or after EOI but before submission, or at a different time? I ask this because the last time I did my medical it messed up my visa application big time and took a while to fix.

Do I need to repeat (assuming just over 12 months has passed) the police check and good conduct certification that I just did?

Thank you!

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QUOTE(c8twoman @ Sep 18 2014, 08:32 PM)
For those who want to work in Australia - make sure you think carefully especially those who aim to study first in Australia.

Make sure your course is SOL listed (again, this doesn't guarantee it will be the same... they keep on changing the list on and on again) same with their VISA rules. But of course, you are welcome to apply for student visa.

As for PR, it is very hard at the moment. A lot of people struggle to get PR - even my mates who have studied here failed to get PR/extended visa.

Of course you can get a company to sponsor you, but things will turn upside down if the company went bankrupt. And yes, you can't stay in Australia if this happens, pack your bags and leave the country.

It's a lucky country and if you can stay you re one of the luckiest people smile.gif
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Actually what I've experienced and observed is that it's actually quite easy, with the right degree. You don't need a lot of time or a lot of cash. You don't even need good grades or the right kind of job.

Once you get a PR, finding a job is infinitely easier. But finding a job with PR can be quite hard.

I assume it will get worse, it's just the current government has been slow to implement changes.
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QUOTE(c8twoman @ Sep 18 2014, 09:36 PM)
True that of course!
Well, you do actually need the right kind of job if you are fresh graduate from that uni in Aus and going for that pathway to permanent residency.
You can only get points if you have job experience in that occupation that you nominate on SOL.

Without job exp points and right age, you are totally no where near to that PR.

Job with PR - it is hard.

Australia is full at the moment I say - and this IS*S just hibernating itself somewhere in Sydney or IDK. Don't know when these guys gonna explode themselves.
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I've seen many examples, including people I know, who very recently got PR without work experience. Most of them were not old either.

It can be done, and quite easily in fact. It's just hard for most people because they don't have the right qualification. But when you do it's a piece of cake, and if you don't it's not a hard fix.

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post Sep 21 2014, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(Gazprom200 @ Sep 20 2014, 09:54 AM)
Same reason as why anyone wants to migrate. Not happy with the discrimination, corruption, incompetent gov, etc
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so true

at the end of the day work is work

but when you don't have to constantly think about how your life (and the lives of people around you, and the whole environment you live in) is being destroyed every second of every day, you feel so much more free

even if you don't think about these things they still pop-up in your life in different ways and all the willpower isn't going to help... unless you're a rich mofo who couldn't care less
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QUOTE(hihihehe @ Oct 3 2014, 04:56 PM)
working in a government sector is the best but must have PR and security clearance
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back in the day, some civil servants didn't even need to be citizens or PR. these days still have a few that are more lax, like those related to financial services. those more to do with politics and foreign affairs will require citizens, and certain divisions in Canberra

but i know a lot of people feel very strongly against working in the public sector, not sure why

anyhow i think private sector is thriving, what fun it must be to be an engineer

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